Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Fugus]

Honestly, I'm not 100% sure how aligned Trump an Putin are at the moment. Putin is a "loser". He can't even take over a neighbouring country. Zelensky is a "winner" with resources.

And replacing all of that donated equipment is a solid amount of domestic manufacturing.

Yeah, what I mean is Putin going down and on his way out torches all those who he helped that didn't help him at this point. He will have nothing left to lose at that point and would throw the world into even more chaos on his way down when all those powerful people have their actions they did for that power drug into the light.

Can you imagine Putin going down and then we have videos of the pee tapes if they existed leaked along with all the communications between him, Trump, Musk, Carlson and got knows who else? To have that treasure trove of compromising material just put out for the world to see.

[gondrin]

Russia economy could 'collapse completely' in 2025 as vital oil exports hammered


I think I will start taking wagers. Which extremist will destroy their country's economy first, putin or trump? And will it be purely for greed or vanity.

I'll go with Putin. Honestly, if it devolves down to the point where Trump does enough damage, each state will pretty much be its own thing seeing as how the US Constitution, the thing that allows the federal government to exist in the first place, would no longer be valid. The US Constitution is an agreement on how the Federal Government is setup and what it is allowed to do. That is it. Otherwise, the US is literally 50 sovereign territories that can mostly function without an actual central governing body. Some far better than others but the point still stands.

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Yeah, what I mean is Putin going down and on his way out torches all those who he helped that didn't help him at this point. He will have nothing left to lose at that point and would throw the world into even more chaos on his way down when all those powerful people have their actions they did for that power drug into the light.

Can you imagine Putin going down and then we have videos of the pee tapes if they existed leaked along with all the communications between him, Trump, Musk, Carlson and got knows who else? To have that treasure trove of compromising material just put out for the world to see.

And yet, somehow, MAGA will just start doing such things themselves and go along with it or just outright deny.

[Dontrike]

Honestly, I'm not 100% sure how aligned Trump an Putin are at the moment. Putin is a "loser".

Makes you wonder if one last play Putin has to make Trump give him money is releasing even one of the things that he's had over Tangerini Mussolini this whole time, something that even Trump couldn't escape from easily.

[Poopymonster]

Makes you wonder if one last play Putin has to make Trump give him money is releasing even one of the things that he's had over Tangerini Mussolini this whole time, something that even Trump couldn't escape from easily.

He won't be impeached. He doesn't care about running another term. He's almost dead.
He could be on video with Jesus Christ jackhammering Mickey Mouse in the doo-doo hole with a lawn dart as Garth Brooks gives birth to something resembling a cheddar cheese log with almonds on Santa's tummy-tum.

Amazon would sell out of lawn darts and Mickey's costume would have a reinforced metal assplate.
Which would happen first might be hilarious, but it would NOT move the needle negatively with the cult.

[Bwgmon]

He won't be impeached. He doesn't care about running another term. He's almost dead.

You're probably right about his cultists, but he does care about his image enough that he'd definitely throw a monumental tantrum over anything that makes him look bad.

That aside, he has mused about having a third term before, and I'm sure he thinks he'll live forever because of how bigly popular he is in the eyes of God or whatever.

[Ivanstone]

Makes you wonder if one last play Putin has to make Trump give him money is releasing even one of the things that he's had over Tangerini Mussolini this whole time, something that even Trump couldn't escape from easily.

We're kind of at the point where any kind of leverage is arguably less useful because of Trump's power base. It will also be dismissed as AI generated fake news.

Even if it hurts the DonOld they have many shitheads in waiting. Vance is still a techpuppet. Somebody's holding Johnson's leash. Grassly occasionally acts like an adult but he's old as fuck.

[Iphie]

A Humanitarian corridor

Bit ironic, but hey...

Authorities in Moscow and Kyiv are in discussions about opening a humanitarian corridor for civilians stranded behind Ukrainian lines in the partially occupied Kursk region, Russia’s Human Rights Commissioner Tatiana Moskalkova said Tuesday.

To be fair to her, she apparently has been working on releasing Ukrainian POWs.

[diller]

Seems like Trump is about to screw over Ukraine.

[Edge-]

Seems like Trump is about to screw over Ukraine.

I mean, Ukraine doesn't have to agree to shit. Ongoing US support was always a question mark under donald (likely no), so I'm not sure what this really alters.

[diller]

I mean, Ukraine doesn't have to agree to shit.

That is obviously true, but if Trump and Putin makes a plan and offers it to Ukraine there will be more pressure on them.

[Ripster42]

Can you imagine Putin going down and then we have videos of the pee tapes if they existed leaked along with all the communications between him, Trump, Musk, Carlson and got knows who else? To have that treasure trove of compromising material just put out for the world to see.

The pee tapes never existed. If you read the mueller report, the GRU was likely blackmailing him over his attempt to bribe putin with a $50m penthouse.

[LeGin v4]

Meh...

EU has got to get its shit together, and swiftly

[Elder Millennial]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand just like that Trump surrendered to Putin unconditionally, no questions asked, completely cucked.

Kellogg who was held up as "Trump's serious person" completely sidelined, replaced by a bunch of buffoons. Both Trump's tweet and Hegseth's speech were essentially written in the Kremlin and just posted by Trump or read outloud by Hegseth.

Complete and total surrender.

What a sad fucking display.

Also to those who thought that Trump will somehow "unpredictably be better for Ukraine"...FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU.

NATO is done. Also if I were South Korea, Taiwan and Japan, I'd be looking for ways to get a nuclear program going by the end of the week.

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Meh...

EU has got to get its shit together, and swiftly

Yeah. It ain't happening. The German's inability to decide what to do about their bullshit debt limit will keep them 100% occupied for the next 12 years, with the occasional distraction about immigrants and farming subsidies, while the country and the world collapses around them.

If the war is over, I'll give the Germans roughly 6 weeks before they start talking about lifting sanctions and 6 months before they start talking about fixing Nordstream.

The French will be sabotaged by the LePen and ilk etc.

We're fucked.

Ironically an unforeseen downside of Brexit is not having the UK around to shove an umbrella up everyone's ass as a spine replacement.

[Elenos]

I mean what did people expect exactly as an outcome?

Not that we have an outcome here for the war, just an agreement to start negotiating.

1990 borders for Ukraine, war crimes tribunal, Russia completely defanged, Ukraine in NATO and the EU. Any single one of these was going to be a tall order, indeed I'd call achieving any of these an outright miracle.

Realistically? I expect some kind of territory swap: Kursk for all that Russia holds in Kharkiv ( not just north Kharkiv but east too ), freezing of territorial control in the East, sanctions relief. European troops stationed in Ukraine for peacekeeping on the contact line.

[alach]

I mean what did people expect exactly as an outcome?

Not that we have an outcome here for the war, just an agreement to start negotiating.

1990 borders for Ukraine, war crimes tribunal, Russia completely defanged, Ukraine in NATO and the EU. Any single one of these was going to be a tall order, indeed I'd call achieving any of these an outright miracle.

Realistically? I expect some kind of territory swap: Kursk for all that Russia holds in Kharkiv ( not just north Kharkiv but east too ), freezing of territorial control in the East, sanctions relief. European troops stationed in Ukraine for peacekeeping on the contact line.

Untrue. Europe has said over and over again, Ukraine's future is in both NATO and the EU. The US and America will have no say in that. The Ukrainian people wish to join Europe and Europe wants them to join. However this ends militarily, that will not change.

Also , Trump keeps saying he will leave NATO, how does he get a say in this now. Fuck him, he wants to be isolationist, let him.

[Kaleredar]

It was all as simple as electing Harris, people.


Well Europe, time to step the fuck up. Hopefully Ukraine tells Trump to kick rocks.

[Gabriel]

I mean what did people expect exactly as an outcome?

Not that we have an outcome here for the war, just an agreement to start negotiating.

1990 borders for Ukraine, war crimes tribunal, Russia completely defanged, Ukraine in NATO and the EU. Any single one of these was going to be a tall order, indeed I'd call achieving any of these an outright miracle.

Realistically? I expect some kind of territory swap: Kursk for all that Russia holds in Kharkiv ( not just north Kharkiv but east too ), freezing of territorial control in the East, sanctions relief. European troops stationed in Ukraine for peacekeeping on the contact line.

Why do people keep entertaining some notion that you can do any sort of deal with Russia and then have Russia honor that deal?

[alach]

Why do people keep entertaining some notion that you can do any sort of deal with Russia and then have Russia honor that deal?

It's about the same as a deal with trump.

[Kaleredar]

Not that we have an outcome here for the war, just an agreement to start negotiating.

What does Russia have to “negotiate” with in any way that gains them territory? The notion of “well we killed and raped a lot of people so we feel we deserve something for our troubles,” hmmm?

Russia has no legitimate claim to Ukraine. There are no “disputed territorial lines.” No “opening hostilities from Ukraine that required intervention.” There are no “historical territorial precedences” that matter. It’s a bold-faced land grab. Acquiescing is a sign that bullies on an international stage can just take whatever they want. And while Trump, the bought and paid shill that he is, might be fine with that, other countries, certainly Europe and Ukraine most of all, absolutely should not be.


What Russia should be “negotiating” for is their own land they comically lost, the return of their soldiers that Ukraine is treating much better than they ever did, a return to Ukraine’s sovereign borders and then, maybe then, “negotiating” down how much Russia should be expected to pay in restitution to Ukraine for the lives they destroyed.

[Gorsameth]

A Humanitarian corridor

Bit ironic, but hey...



To be fair to her, she apparently has been working on releasing Ukrainian POWs.

And wasn't Russia bombing humanitarian corridors 3 years ago when this war was fresh?

Fuck Russia.