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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Could you maybe link the article because without context these numbers mean whatever anyone wants.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...omepage-europe

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    https://archive.is/0dVoI

    Archive link so people can actually read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://archive.is/0dVoI

    Archive link so people can actually read it.
    Thanks, I suck at these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    russia has made it repeatedly clear that the absolute minimum they will accept in any peace deal is a ban on Ukraine ever joining NATO, the disarmament of the Ukrainian army, a lifting of all sanctions, and all the land they have claimed, a large part of which they have never occupied - which I think includes the land bridge all the way to Transnistria. Ukraine can not accept that, for obvious reasons. And russia will never accept whatever Trump tries to foist on them.

    And even if somehow peace is arranged, russia needs to be at war otherwise its economy will collapse. They won't need to leave a million men in Ukraine. They will have to pick a fresh target to keep feeding the war machine - so all of russia's neighbours must start to prepare for that. Georgia would probably be the most obvious next victim.
    Trump is not foisting anything on Russia. He is just reciting Russia's demands to Ukraine.

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    So, the question begs to be ask is why? Why the hell strike Chernobyl? Especially the part where radiation is at its worst. I mean, it won't affect very many people in Ukraine and affect more in Belarus if the radiation spreads.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/interesting..._on_chernobyl/

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    So, the question begs to be ask is why? Why the hell strike Chernobyl? Especially the part where radiation is at its worst. I mean, it won't affect very many people in Ukraine and affect more in Belarus if the radiation spreads.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/interesting..._on_chernobyl/
    Just to be plain evil.

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    Knowing Russia I feel like it could be either malice or incompetence, maybe even both.
    "In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance." Paradox of tolerance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezerte View Post
    Knowing Russia I feel like it could be either malice or incompetence, maybe even both.
    "Incompetent malice" really encapsulates the Russian psyche.

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    Probably just aiming for another kindergarten and missed.
    My whole political stance pretty much boils down to "I care about other people and the planet" and wow does that make some people mad.

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    Could also be more nuclear blackmail, a not so subtle reminder that if they don't get their way they can do worse - especially as Trump would do nothing about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    So, the question begs to be ask is why? Why the hell strike Chernobyl? Especially the part where radiation is at its worst. I mean, it won't affect very many people in Ukraine and affect more in Belarus if the radiation spreads.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/interesting..._on_chernobyl/
    This is nuclear warfare. I'd not lose a single ounce of sleep if someone decided to pre-emptively blow Russia's nuclear arsenal to hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    This is nuclear warfare. I'd not lose a single ounce of sleep if someone decided to pre-emptively blow Russia's nuclear arsenal to hell.
    You probably should since the fallout from such a large explosion would cover most if not all of Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    You probably should since the fallout from such a large explosion would cover most if not all of Europe.
    You're right. Let's wait for Russia to set Chernobyl on fire for the second time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    So, the question begs to be ask is why? Why the hell strike Chernobyl? Especially the part where radiation is at its worst. I mean, it won't affect very many people in Ukraine and affect more in Belarus if the radiation spreads.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/interesting..._on_chernobyl/
    Easy, extortion/blackmail. Do what we want or else.

    I was expecting Chernobyl to play a role in this after Trump or Harris got in power, but I was kinda hoping they would forget about it. It's a horrible negotiating tactic, threatening with nuclear meltdowns has got to be the lowest of the low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    So, the question begs to be ask is why? Why the hell strike Chernobyl? Especially the part where radiation is at its worst. I mean, it won't affect very many people in Ukraine and affect more in Belarus if the radiation spreads.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/interesting..._on_chernobyl/
    Because if Russia can't have Ukraine, why should anyone else have it either?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    You're right. Let's wait for Russia to set Chernobyl on fire for the second time.
    Trading one nuclear nightmare for another isnt exactly sound logic.

    Besides, as I recall, what remains of Russias nuclear arsenal is still quite large. If anyone could just "blow it up" before Russia had a chance to retaliate with said nuclear weapons, dont you think theyd have done it?

    I mean there was this whole "Cold War" thing where the issue was that we couldnt just do that. Maybe you heard about it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    So, the question begs to be ask is why? Why the hell strike Chernobyl? Especially the part where radiation is at its worst. I mean, it won't affect very many people in Ukraine and affect more in Belarus if the radiation spreads.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/interesting..._on_chernobyl/
    This demands a serious response, but I'm unsure if nations are willing to give a serious response. The US surely won't, sadly.

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c247...510d09bb6#post

    JD selling out Ukraine in Munich ends with:

    He made a joke at one point saying, "if American democracy can survive 10 years of Greta Thunberg scolding, you guys can survive a few months of Elon Musk". And then he paused for the applause, to be met with absolute dead silence.

    "It was very nice to hear Vance's very strong speech," says a correspondent on Rossiya 1, one of Russia’s most-watched TV stations.
    “It was a public caning, I can't call it anything else. It was also nice to watch the faces of those listening to him," Asya Yemelyanova goes on, laughingly.


    I wonder what Xi is thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin v4 View Post
    I wonder what Xi is thinking
    Xi should consider how much better his position in the multipolar world would be if Europe had a better relation to China than it does to the US. And while that would have been unthinkable a decade ago, it's not now. I know a lot of people around the world would rather see Europe humbled and reduced in importance but I just don't see it happening. It is not a great power, but it still has significant wealth and resources that cannot be replaced by Central Asia or Africa (and definitely not by Russia).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin v4 View Post
    I wonder what Xi is thinking
    He grabs some freshly made popcorn or 爆米花 (bào mǐ huā) and watches as his opponents destroy each other.

    China has won without lifting a finger, and I applaud them for that.
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