Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Twdft]

And again I posit: if Russia was no threat to Ukraine, why was Ukraine entertaining thoughts of joining NATO?

You're asking him to defend a solid wife beater logic. Should be an entertaining read if he ever answers.

[Wilian]

NATO has zero impetus to give a flying fuck what Russia thinks.

And again I posit: if Russia was no threat to Ukraine, why was Ukraine entertaining thoughts of joining NATO?

And not even that. The prospect of actual NATO membership was far, far away, even after the illegal annexation of Crimea because the popular support for it just wasn't there. It skyrocketed after 2022 for some odd reason. Also with both Finland and Sweden joining NATO right after with zero real Russian response we should finally bury this whole argument they like to entertain in their vapid minds. Unless it's to upkeep discussion to award Putin for quickest and strongest NATO expansion he helped to achieve in decades.

[LeGin v4]

It's kinda hard to put into words how I feel about this without getting perma'd.

What irks me is the whole NED argument - Europe has been bailed out by US etc. It's fucking Europe, specifically the UK, who've supported the US unconditionally beyond that which was reasonable for the last 80 years.

Lots of people said it was stupid at the time. Look where we are now. Fervent globalism replaced by equally fervent isolationism.

Europe is fucked. US opposed integration. Russia interfered. Now US and Russia are teaming up to divide the spoils of Ukraine. Literally.

Cucked hard.

I just hope the UK & France have enough working nukes to discourage.

[Wilian]

I just hope the UK & France have enough working nukes to discourage.

Pretty sure the issue isn't the number of nukes themselves, there's enough to blast every single major industrial- and population center of Ruzzia twice. It's that both UK and France both lack comprehensive nuclear triad and redunancy of launch options.

Alas, it might be necessary that EU itself as a project will have to build it's own nuclear deterrence.

[Poopymonster]

It's kinda hard to put into words how I feel about this without getting perma'd.

He'd stand on a corner, I'd think he'd waste his time.
People come up to him and say "Number five-a for-a dime"

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Two words: Pete Hegseth.

That sack of **** is not very pro-Ukraine and he's the boss of the US military.

"I'll stop drinking if you put me in charge of the army" is the most alcoholic thing I've ever heard.

[LeGin v4]

Pretty sure the issue isn't the number of nukes themselves, there's enough to blast every single major industrial- and population center of Ruzzia twice. It's that both UK and France both lack comprehensive nuclear triad and redunancy of launch options.

Sure, I'll take your word for it. I've got no idea. Only thing I know is that the last time UK tested Trident in Feb 2024, it was an embarrassing failure.

Alas, it might be necessary that EU itself as a project will have to build it's own nuclear deterrence.

Well, we're stuffed for the immediate future. Any nervous Lithuanian posters here?

While Europe procrastinates, dividing along national interests and drifting further right-wing in the process, the more fucked it is.

I'm sure this is delighting some here.

oi @dribbles: Farage & Tice are traitors, they should be in the Tower. As should their supporters

[Edge-]

I think that NATO fucked up in this case, because they could have anticipated it.

NATO should have predicted the future and stopped Russia from invading? It's weird how you try to find a way to still blame this on NATO lmao

[Iphie]

"I'll stop drinking if you put me in charge of the army" is the most alcoholic thing I've ever heard.

And then at every presentation he appears to have a Scotch at hand...

NATO presser Starts about 6 minutes in.

[Wilian]

NATO should have predicted the future and stopped Russia from invading? It's weird how you try to find a way to still blame this on NATO lmao

Well the thing is, we knew, almoust to a date it happened. (Last given estimate was 2 weeks off)

NATO (as well as EU) refused to act and rather drew red lines for ourselves.US kept telling everyone for months its imminent. So to a point he is right. But the failure was not the NATO expansion as he claims with Putins words. The failure was inaction when we knew.

And now we returned to world order where might makes absolute right and wars are seen legitimate course to alter borders in eyes of our enemies.

[Nymrohd]

NATO should have predicted the future and stopped Russia from invading? It's weird how you try to find a way to still blame this on NATO lmao

Eh, this is not blaming NATO. It is just saying, NATO should have either shut down any discussions of Ukraine accession or actually commit to helping them. After 2014, NATO (and Europe) should have discussed peace keeping forces. They should have offered ACTUAL deterrence.

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Well the thing is, we knew, almoust to a date it happened. (Last given estimate was 2 weeks off)

NATO (as well as EU) refused to act and rather drew red lines for ourselves.US kept telling everyone for months its imminent. So to a point he is right. But the failure was not the NATO expansion as he claims with Putins words. The failure was inaction when we knew.

And now we returned to world order where might makes absolute right and wars are seen legitimate course to alter borders in eyes of our enemies.

I'd say the failure was having any discussion with them about expansion when you were not willing to commit to offer them some form of deterrence immediately. Can't act surprised when the rabid dog bites you (and we knew the dog is rabid from the foam all over Georgia several years before Euromaidan). So you better get the shot beforehand.

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My question here remains. What happens if US stops providing help and starts pulling sanctions? Can Europe maintain sanctions? Europe can certainly continue providing financial and military aid, it after all has been providing more than half of it.

[LeGin v4]

https://www.politico.eu/article/germ...ps-to-ukraine/

Olaf grasping at straws. Not sure why he doesn't get it. Just cringeworthy

In the meantime:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/crr0...3e3d081b8#post

Russian state TV is overjoyed with how things are going.
"Zelensky is down, Europe is out,” says the presenter of the flagship weekly news review programme on Rossiya 1, as the caption next to Zelensky’s photo says: “He’s toxic”.
Over on the 60 Minutes talk show, commentator Nikolai Starikov admits his wildest dreams have been surpassed: “Things are moving so fast that yesterday’s biggest optimists now look like pessimists now.”

[dribbles]

oi @dribbles: Farage & Tice are traitors, they should be in the Tower. As should their supporters

Absolutely not.

It is a war on the European mainland and we shouldn't be involved. We've rescued them twice in the last 100 years wasting our blood and treasure. Billy big bollocks Starmer is only getting involved to try to obfuscate his collapsing support at home. Ridiculous he is attempting to protect foreign borders when he doesn't give a monkeys about his own.

Why is it that lefty political leaders and their followers are so keen to send other people's kids to war zones when their domestic poll ratings tank?

Feel free to volunteer for the front lines though, have you done that yet? Didn't think so. Thank heavens Trump is around to offer a negotiated solution that the impotent EU, and UK for that matter, will have no choice but to accept.

[alach]

Zelensky has spent four yesterday building up personal relationships with world leaders. I can't prove anything but I get the feeling most people generally like him.
On the other side, you have team trump who seem to relish in breaking friendships.
The way things are going I expect the western world (eu, can, jap, aus, etc) to back Ukraine over drumpf.

Trump, like other billionaires, has no idea that global politics is about relationships and being dick doesn't always get you what you want.

[Azadina]

Alas, it might be necessary that EU itself as a project will have to build it's own nuclear deterrence.

Something I said during Trumps first term, was that EU should be funding and building itself a nuclear submarine fleet. More than ever now does it need one for deterrence. Most likely it would be too late if it was started 8 years ago, let alone right now. Instead, of course, nothing will be done.

Can't wait for 3 massive rogue powers making deals between themselves on what they can conquer. Each one already wants to invade places, putler, Trump and Xi.

Could have really used the subs, parked near those 3 looney lands as guarantee of Europe not being looted by them in the future. Oh well.. Fuck this timeline and humanity as whole.

[LeGin v4]

Feel free to volunteer for the front lines though, have you done that yet? Didn't think so.

lol, not going to anecdotal

Good try, though

Thank heavens Trump is around to offer a negotiated solution that the impotent EU, and UK for that matter, will have no choice but to accept.

Yes, you're a traitor. As are Farage and Tice

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Anyway, what are you doing posting? I thought you were busy in a brothel in Austria

[KrayZ33]

please, don't pull the trash into this thread by summoning it directly when you can avoid it... he was perfectly confined inside his brexit thread.

[Gabriel]

Absolutely not.

It is a war on the European mainland and we shouldn't be involved. We've rescued them twice in the last 100 years wasting our blood and treasure. Billy big bollocks Starmer is only getting involved to try to obfuscate his collapsing support at home. Ridiculous he is attempting to protect foreign borders when he doesn't give a monkeys about his own.

Why is it that lefty political leaders and their followers are so keen to send other people's kids to war zones when their domestic poll ratings tank?

Feel free to volunteer for the front lines though, have you done that yet? Didn't think so. Thank heavens Trump is around to offer a negotiated solution that the impotent EU, and UK for that matter, will have no choice but to accept.

Back to your containment thread.

[Vampiregenesis]

There is a good thing with the Ukrainian crisis, everyone can now see that the EU is a useless, treacherous and hypocritical union. I love Vance for exposing it, if Trump end up destroying it, I will become pro-American and I believe most people in my country are already pro-American because of Vance speech, Vance is very popular here.

The balkan countries have been marginalized because of the EU and even though we know that we should leave asap, corrupted politicians keep us in. They didn't even call a representative of south east Europe in the Paris conference. Not even Romania. Europe at this point is just a small club of former colonial powers, they called Britain on the conference even though it's not even part of the EU now but ignored everyone else.

They had no right to cancel the elections in Romania
They have no right to force woke and refugees to us
They have no right to make large arm deals with countries that want to steal our territory

[Nymrohd]

It's crazy how many people are willing to give up everything as long as gays and trans people suffer. . .

[KrayZ33]

I always laugh when I hear (quite obviously uneducated) people talk about how the EU forces things or itself on countries/people.
Tell me you are a feeble minded without telling me you are feeble minded.