Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Kaleredar]

Why exactly?

Let’s flip the script:

What are trump and Vance doing that’s pro-America?

Are they good for the American economy? No.

Are they good for American foreign relations? No.

Are they good for American global hegemony? No.

I can’t think of a single metric that trump and musk… er, sorry, Vance, are good for America.

Trump and Vance are great for billionaires and the uber-wealthy, but they need not be American. Trump, for example, is great for Russia. But America Russia is not. But for literally everyone else? Yeah, Trump is ass.

[Corvus]

Trump and Vance are actively attacking democracy in Europe while pushing support for far right parties who would happily sell out their countries into becoming russian vassal states.

[Gorsameth]

Two words: Pete Hegseth.

That sack of **** is not very pro-Ukraine and he's the boss of the US military.

And Trump is commander in chief.
Neither is helpful when every general tells you to go fuck yourself.

[Iphie]

And Trump is commander in chief.
Neither is helpful when every general tells you to go fuck yourself.

And why exactly do you think trump is trying to get rid of those generals and install his own?

[Pannonian]

There is a good thing with the Ukrainian crisis, everyone can now see that the EU is a useless, treacherous and hypocritical union. I love Vance for exposing it, if Trump end up destroying it, I will become pro-American and I believe most people in my country are already pro-American because of Vance speech, Vance is very popular here.

The balkan countries have been marginalized because of the EU and even though we know that we should leave asap, corrupted politicians keep us in. They didn't even call a representative of south east Europe in the Paris conference. Not even Romania. Europe at this point is just a small club of former colonial powers, they called Britain on the conference even though it's not even part of the EU now but ignored everyone else.

They had no right to cancel the elections in Romania
They have no right to force woke and refugees to us
They have no right to make large arm deals with countries that want to steal our territory

Oh man, Romania out of the EU? I could go shopping without being harrassed by beggars... /s

The politicians that want to leave the EU here say the same stuff about people from the balkans, that you do about woke/refugee. Food for thought...

[Wilian]

Absolutely not.

It is a war on the European mainland and we shouldn't be involved. We've rescued them twice in the last 100 years wasting our blood and treasure. Billy big bollocks Starmer is only getting involved to try to obfuscate his collapsing support at home. Ridiculous he is attempting to protect foreign borders when he doesn't give a monkeys about his own.

Why is it that lefty political leaders and their followers are so keen to send other people's kids to war zones when their domestic poll ratings tank?

Feel free to volunteer for the front lines though, have you done that yet? Didn't think so. Thank heavens Trump is around to offer a negotiated solution that the impotent EU, and UK for that matter, will have no choice but to accept.

What is this diarrhea with some legible words stuck here and there?

[Corvus]

Another russian refinery is on fire after being visited by drone sanctions - the Ilsky refinery process 6.6 million tons of oil a year. Prior to this, Ukraine has taken off-line 10% of russian refinery capacity in the last few weeks of strikes.

[hellhamster]

I wanna bet that USA is discussing some sort of base quid pro quo with Russia. Trump wants to exit Europe with his army, for that he is expecting Putin to concede Ukraine. I think this entire song and dance of the last week is leading to a demilitarization of Europe by the US and to leave us to our own devices.

Putin will want to keep parts of Ukraine, which is what the talks are now about. It's necessary for Russian internal consumption that he won the war and leaves with spoils. That's my best guess.

[Corvus]

European officials have already said they expect Trump to pull out of the Baltics if not eastern Europe in general.

[Lahis]

So other eastern Europeans, how are we feeling now that we all will be in the trenches in few years?

[Nymrohd]

So other eastern Europeans, how are we feeling now that we all will be in the trenches in few years?

Apparently the Romanian above is cheering to be under Russian boot instead of getting money from Brussels.

[Gabriel]

So other eastern Europeans, how are we feeling now that we all will be in the trenches in few years?

On one hand: not too keen to experience it.

On the other hand: Suur-Suomi.

So it's 50/50 for me.

[Gorsameth]

I wanna bet that USA is discussing some sort of base quid pro quo with Russia. Trump wants to exit Europe with his army, for that he is expecting Putin to concede Ukraine. I think this entire song and dance of the last week is leading to a demilitarization of Europe by the US and to leave us to our own devices.

Putin will want to keep parts of Ukraine, which is what the talks are now about. It's necessary for Russian internal consumption that he won the war and leaves with spoils. That's my best guess.

Honestly America leaving eastern Europe for Russia leaving Ukraine and going back to pre-2014 borders would be an amazing deal.

Hell of a lot easier for America to come back in the next administration then it is to kick out Russia by force.

If Trump would manage that (he won't, he will completely surrender everything because he's a weak sack of shit) then go give him a Nobel peace price.

[Devonitar]

So other eastern Europeans, how are we feeling now that we all will be in the trenches in few years?

I guess it was folly to believe it wasn't just a matter of time. So, we are back to the usual business.

[alach]

Let Poland off the leash I say.
If they and the Baltics entered the fray this war would be over quickly and with much fewer causalties.

Thing is, Europe doesnt need a united army, they already train together and have much better equipment than russia. I'm pretty sure just the Finns and Swedes airforce would do extreme damage to russia's military infrastucture in just days. With how weakened russia is now, that would be enough for the Ukrainians to press forward enough for putin to cry uncle. Out of a window.

[Nymrohd]

Let Poland off the leash I say.
If they and the Baltics entered the fray this war would be over quickly and with much fewer causalties.

Thing is, Europe doesnt need a united army, they already train together and have much better equipment than russia. I'm pretty sure just the Finns and Swedes airforce would do extreme damage to russia's military infrastucture in just days. With how weakened russia is now, that would be enough for the Ukrainians to press forward enough for putin to cry uncle. Out of a window.

What leash though. I am sorry but who is keeping them from sending forces to help Ukraine? The reality is, leaders don't have a public mandate to send men and yes, people are still afraid of nukes.

[Timester]

The reality is, leaders don't have a public mandate to send men.

Yes, they do, it's called elections.

Example? Iraq War.

[Corvus]

Driving 800,000 russian troops out of Ukraine would led to a lot of casualties on the scale that hasn't been experienced in Europe for a long time. Western governments tend to nit like large amounts of casualties any more.

[Lahis]

Driving 800,000 russian troops out of Ukraine would led to a lot of casualties on the scale that hasn't been experienced in Europe for a long time. Western governments tend to nit like large amounts of casualties any more.

We have to drive those Russian troops out from some European country at some point. Arguably it is easier to do now that they have already suffered great material losses in this war. It will be much more difficult in few years after they have had time to restock and resupply.

[alach]

Hate to be a cyncic, but its all about messaging.
trump just won an election to become one of the most powerful people in the world by hocking cheap sneakers and spouting mostly obvious falsehoods after spending decades treating his supporters like dogshit.
putin just mobolized nearly his entire country to turn against their neighbour and support an invasion into a sovereign country because of falsehoods that are continued to be spread on these boards even today.
It wouldn't take much to get Europeans on board with a physical engagement with russia, and the politicans wouldn't even have to lie. russia is a threat, in many, many, ways, lets finally do something about it. Or, howabout, the russian people are being oppressed by a tyrant, they want freedom, and we can do that. I don't know, I'm just tired of seeing the other side win because we cant message the same level as them.

We have to drive those Russian troops out from some European country at some point. Arguably it is easier to do now that they have already suffered great material losses in this war. It will be much more difficult in few years after they have had time to restock and resupply.

Exactly.