Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Dezerte]

I don't really see how this is to the benefit of China. China has immensely benefited from the current rules-based system; this is what allowed them access to foreign markets and if anything, they'd like to see its return. Neoliberal capitalism is the basis of their strength. Their power lies entirely in trade and prosperity that fuels consumption. Their economy will not respond well to large scale trade disruptions which are inevitable if Trump collapses the rules-based system.

It might not be entirely rational but I suspect it has something to do with the expected isolation and waning of US soft power, internationally. It might lead to issues for China, but it also opens up the door for China to become a world leader.

[Nymrohd]

It might not be entirely rational but I suspect it has something to do with the expected isolation and waning of US soft power, internationally. It might lead to issues for China, but it also opens up the door for China to become a world leader.

China is smarter than that. What they have created was not made through short terminist nonsense. The reality is that some form of world power is needed and they cannot provide it (they have neither the power projection capability nor the requisite trust in transparency of their economy and impartiality of their judicial). It's not just Russia that would get ideas about moving through force and violence if the rules-based system completely collapses (and it is deeply wounded right now). Almost everyone will. More war means less trade.

[Wilian]

I don't really see how this is to the benefit of China. China has immensely benefited from the current rules-based system; this is what allowed them access to foreign markets and if anything, they'd like to see its return. Neoliberal capitalism is the basis of their strength. Their power lies entirely in trade and prosperity that fuels consumption. Their economy will not respond well to large scale trade disruptions which are inevitable if Trump collapses the rules-based system.

China aspires to be in the lead of said "system". US aping itself out is of their interest.

[zealo]

It might not be entirely rational but I suspect it has something to do with the expected isolation and waning of US soft power, internationally. It might lead to issues for China, but it also opens up the door for China to become a world leader.

It's exactly this.

China isn't suddenly going to become a less stable and predictable actor to work with for the rest of the world just because the US withdraws in on itself, but that withdrawing opens a lot of doors to Chinese influence replacing US soft power. China isn't content with just prospering internally and in it's own backyard, it wants to be the world leader as it imagines itself to always have been for millennia, and it very much is working towards acquiring the capacity and influence to be that.

[Dezerte]

China is smarter than that. What they have created was not made through short terminist nonsense. The reality is that some form of world power is needed and they cannot provide it (they have neither the power projection capability nor the requisite trust in transparency of their economy and impartiality of their judicial). It's not just Russia that would get ideas about moving through force and violence if the rules-based system completely collapses (and it is deeply wounded right now). Almost everyone will. More war means less trade.

China may or may not be. They may also consider it worth the cost/risk if they think they can "win" in the end.

[Nymrohd]

It's exactly this.

China isn't suddenly going to become a less stable and predictable actor to work with for the rest of the world just because the US withdraws in on itself, but that withdrawing opens a lot of doors to Chinese influence replacing US soft power. China isn't content with just prospering internally and in it's own backyard, it wants to be the world leader as it imagines itself to always have been for millennia, and it very much is working towards acquiring the capacity and influence to be that.

US Soft power will be replaced rapidly anyway. USAID was effectively destroyed and THAT is the basis of US Soft Power. China and the EU will fully replace that, China far more so because they can adjust and response rapidly (while the EU moves at glacial speed on anything).

But what China truly wants is for the Yuan to have reserve currency status. And that is not likely for the foreseeable future; while it becomes increasingly obvious that US cannot be trusted, China never could. The global monetary system is likely to face severe disruption with unpredictable (but to certain disutility) results. We may see some shift away from the USD but I doubt it will be primarily towards RMB.

What matters most now is for European countries to present actions in favour of Ukraine instead of just words. We are only a few days from the German elections and then we will see how AfD performs and what type of alliance Merz can form, especially given Söder's influence.

[Lenonis]

I find it telling that even the most Pro-Russian posters can't articulate a legitimate reason for the invasion.

[Draco-Onis]

US Soft power will be replaced rapidly anyway. USAID was effectively destroyed and THAT is the basis of US Soft Power. China and the EU will fully replace that, China far more so because they can adjust and response rapidly (while the EU moves at glacial speed on anything).

But what China truly wants is for the Yuan to have reserve currency status. And that is not likely for the foreseeable future; while it becomes increasingly obvious that US cannot be trusted, China never could. The global monetary system is likely to face severe disruption with unpredictable (but to certain disutility) results. We may see some shift away from the USD but I doubt it will be primarily towards RMB.

What matters most now is for European countries to present actions in favour of Ukraine instead of just words. We are only a few days from the German elections and then we will see how AfD performs and what type of alliance Merz can form, especially given Söder's influence.

The world is going to move away from the concept of a reserve currency but a basket of equally weighted currencies and commodities that are used. We are seeing a complete dumping of US treasuries and assets that's a very bad sign when Trump seemingly wants to borrow 5 trillion dollars to give to his oligarch buddies. We are heading towards a multi polar world, I forsee US bases closing around the world as trust in the US continues to deteriorate and other countries increases their own armaments.

[Nymrohd]

The world is going to move away from the concept of a reserve currency but a basket of equally weighted currencies and commodities that are used. We are seeing a complete dumping of US treasuries and assets that's a very bad sign when Trump seemingly wants to borrow 5 trillion dollars to give to his oligarch buddies. We are heading towards a multi polar world, I forsee US bases closing around the world as trust in the US continues to deteriorate and other countries increases their own armaments.

I find it hilarious that Trump suggested that Europe should be paying him for having his bases there. No dude, YOU should be paying us.

[Draco-Onis]

I find it hilarious that Trump suggested that Europe should be paying him for having his bases there. No dude, YOU should be paying us.

USAID, the bases, NATO and all these things the US spends money on it's to project American power and we've used it to get our way. Trump is systematically destroying all that because he doesn't know or understand that, it's so much easier to destroy things than to build it. We took decades forging these relationships Trump destroyed them in a matter of days.

[Mayhem]

USAID, the bases, NATO and all these things the US spends money on it's to project American power and we've used it to get our way. Trump is systematically destroying all that because he doesn't know or understand that, it's so much easier to destroy things than to build it. We took decades forging these relationships Trump destroyed them in a matter of days.

It's not even just to project power it's also logistics. I mean the Middle East is pretty far away from the states so having bases in Europe is needed. So either Trump is closing shop everywhere that isn't near the United States or they need bigger boats.

[Draco-Onis]

It's not even just to project power it's also logistics. I mean the Middle East is pretty far away from the states so having bases in Europe is needed. So either Trump is closing shop everywhere that isn't near the United States or they need bigger boats.

Whether intentional or not you have hit the nail on the head, he loves big boats with guns because he's 5 and wants to close all the bases because they are a "waste of money".

[Vampiregenesis]

Do people really think that Trump is free to act as he likes?

The US has its own deep state, if Trump takes these decisions it means the deep state agrees with them. From their PoV this strategy serves US interests better.

Generally speaking, something terrible is going to happen soon, it's evident that the US is pushing for natural resource dominance. They are like, give me this or that, otherwise Russia will attack you. It's as if this is a life or death situation for the US, their world dominance is at stake. Think about it for a second...the US can't get what it wants the good way, what does this mean? it's simple, if everything continues the way it is now then the US will lose its world dominance, the natural resources and economy give you world dominance, not politician influence or bases on other countries. It's ok to sacrifice influence if that will yield something better in return.

I'm afraid that the US has only one tool at its disposal to get what it asked for and that's Russia, I wouldn't be surprised if the US suddenly start to support Russia and push it for more invasions, how else can they convince Denmark to give greenland and Ukraine to give its own resources?

Trump is a good negotiator and he takes an unorthodox path that will benefit the US long term. Its we the europeans that will pay a price for the US dream.

[Edge-]

The US has its own deep state

Like, do you think anyone here takes you seriously when you keep posting nonsense like this? I notice you haven't bothered to respond to literally anyone pointing out the absurdities and fictions in your last post.

Are you even interested in discussion? Lotta folks here seem to be completely uninterested in discussions, which is weird given that y'all are posting in a discussion forum.

[Vampiregenesis]

Like, do you think anyone here takes you seriously when you keep posting nonsense like this? I notice you haven't bothered to respond to literally anyone pointing out the absurdities and fictions in your last post.

Are you even interested in discussion? Lotta folks here seem to be completely uninterested in discussions, which is weird given that y'all are posting in a discussion forum.

Wait a sec... do you think a country as big as the US doesn't have a deep state and long term strategy? In fact, everything they have done so far makes sense. Their support to Russia now, makes a lot of sense, it was part of their strategy all along. The goal is simple, weaken Russia and get Europe's natural resources and arctic dominance. Not sure what they will do next but everything points that they will support Russia hard in the next 4 years and then who knows, maybe they will come to Europe as the "rescueers" to throw out the big bad Russia and get the natural resources along with it.

Not sure what to discuss, that Nato is just a defensive alliance? who can trust the west after Libya, Iraq, Serbia, Afghanistan, Syria? Nato is NOT a defensive alliance, it's an organization promoting west dominance through military action.

Did Russia invaded for imperialistic purposes? Sure, I agree, Russia views Ukrainian influence as an integral part of their politics
Is Russia claim about Nato correct? It is in my opinion. Even if it's not the real reason why Putin invaded, it is still a very legit claim.

[Edge-]

Wait a sec... do you think a country as big as the US doesn't have a deep state and long term strategy?

Those are two different things and I'm confused why you seem to think they're the same.

Their support to Russia now, makes a lot of sense, it was part of their strategy all along.

Who is "they"?

The goal is simple, weaken Russia and get Europe's natural resources and arctic dominance.

Who's goal?

Not sure what they will do next but everything points that they will support Russia hard in the next 4 years and then who knows, maybe they will come to Europe as the "rescueers" to throw out the big bad Russia and get the natural resources along with it.

I have no clue what you're talking about but I can tell you have a very active imagination.

[Vampiregenesis]

Those are two different things and I'm confused why you seem to think they're the same.



Who is "they"?



Who's goal?



I have no clue what you're talking about but I can tell you have a very active imagination.

In order to have a long term strategy, you need to be consistent and for that you need to have the same group of people getting the decisions, so that everything is predictable and smooth. Not sure who has the most influence over US politicians but there are certainly some groups behind this.

The US can't make it more clear that they are weak and they need more power to compete with their adversaries, Greenland/Panama/Ukraine rare earths/Canada all scream, "I'm weak, I need to expand, I need more power". The US is going under mass reforms and it appears that the EU will be viewed as something bad in their new geopolitic agenda.

That's all you need to know, the US will take aggressive action until its world dominance is not threatened anymore. Not sure what they will do but Europe will be under threat for sure in the next years.

[Attackrabbit]

Mind sharing the name of whatever strain of weed you're smoking is? I could do with some real mindfucking stuff

[Kaleredar]

Do people really think that Trump is free to act as he likes?

The US has its own deep state,

Uh huh is it the Atlanteans? The lizard people?

Biden’s approach to Ukraine is the exact opposite of Trump’s, was Biden immune to the shadow government? Were they running counter-narratives to play 5D chess?


News flash, Nobody is playing chess, here. Trump? Putin? Their “goals” are absolutely surface-deep:

Personal. Enrichment. It’s really that simple. They’re all largely reactionary bad actors acting in very obvious self-interest.

You ascribing some “grandiose scheme” to some nebulous group of nobodies you imagine only serves to defer Putin and Trump’s culpabilities in this and the rest of the shit they’ve been screwing up royal. And you’ve been ever so eager to make excuses for Russia’s wanton, unprovoked slaughter this entire time.

[Vampiregenesis]

Uh huh is it the Atlanteans? The lizard people?

Biden’s approach to Ukraine is the exact opposite of Trump’s, was Biden immune to the shadow government? Were they running counter-narratives to play 5D chess?


News flash, Nobody is playing chess, here. Trump? Putin? Their “goals” are absolutely surface-deep:

Personal. Enrichment. It’s really that simple. They’re all largely reactionary bad actors acting in very obvious self-interest.

You ascribing some “grandiose scheme” to some nebulous group of nobodies you imagine only serves to defer Putin and Trump’s culpabilities in this and the rest of the shit they’ve been screwing up royal. And you’ve been ever so eager to make excuses for Russia’s wanton, unprovoked slaughter this entire time.

Complete opposite? what?

Biden managed the unthinkable, he stopped Europe from buying cheap gas from Russia in order to force it to buy it from the US, he sabotaged pipelines, he provoked Russia in order to put more pressure to Europe. Biden was the step 1, Trump is the step 2. Trump wouldn't be able to ask for all this stuff if Europe had peace with Russia, a biden was necessary.

The US is taking a huge risk with these politics, it can backfire hard and they may end up get nothing out of this which will leave them isolated for many years and none will trust them anymore.

We will see what will happen.