Russian invasion of Ukraine

[alach]

First step would be voting Volt Europe any chance you can get.

[Zemini7]

fucking awful. kudos for Zelensky keeping his cool.

[KrayZ33]

First step would be voting Volt Europe any chance you can get.

Already considered it but I was scared of the AfD here in Germany and decided to vote a power that could realistically stand against it.
Not much I can do, other than convincing my friend cycle to do the same and vehemently stand against bullshit takes. Push people too hard however, and they'll end up like the trumpies and AfD shills.

As for what's happening in Germany, I think it's a very, very realistic take that if the next 4 years can't tackle migration issue and get the ecomony "going again", we'll have the AfD leading. People are not able to vote with a clear head and they sure as heck don't understand the crisis we are in and had faced in the last years. I might end up in the same situation as anyone who is left in the US that has not gone insane.
Low IQ is the downfall of democracy.

[Elenos]

So on the subject of that meeting.

Well I think that was a complete shitshow or rather a made for TV moment. Truthfully world leaders DO talk harshly with one another when they disagree on issues. There are plenty of records of this.

In private.

Publicly like this? Hell. We only should find out about this years down the line from some memoir.

[Jastall]

Trump's being Trump. No amount of disgraceful, fundamentally unworthy behavior can surprise me anymore.

You tried, Zelensky. You and your country are far from perfect, but you sure deserved better than... this.

[LeGin v4]

Watching Trump and Vance shout at Zelensky is the most outrageous and maddening thing I've seen in a long time. I'm actually mad for real, holy fuck.

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not

Let's make things clear, this is what makes me mad:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_cr...ion_of_Ukraine

What does it take to make a Lib Dem voter mad? Waitrose running out of avocados?

Apologies in advance if you weren't being sarcastic

[diller]

The main thing I don't get and I suspect the reason why it ended up like it did - why was Vance there, it made no sense!

[Vampiregenesis]

Just saying, the only alternative to Trump's suggestion (ceasefire) is indeed WW3, if the US and EU send troops to Ukraine in order to stop Russia, that's WW3. Safety guarantees are essentially the same, you have to send troops to Ukraine.

Zelensky is betting that Europe will fight a unified war against Russia. Sending aid to Ukraine is pointless now since they have not enough manpower so one way or the other, troops have to be sent there by other countries.

[Jastall]

Just saying, the only alternative to Trump's suggestion (ceasefire) is indeed WW3, if the US and EU send troops to Ukraine in order to stop Russia, that's WW3. Safety guarantees are essentially the same, you have to send troops to Ukraine.

Zelensky is betting that Europe will fight a unified war against Russia. Sending aid to Ukraine is pointless now since they have not enough manpower so one way or the other, troops have to be sent there by other countries.

Sure, like WW3 triggered when North Korea got involved, right?

[Elenos]

The main thing I don't get and I suspect the reason why it ended up like it did - why was Vance there, it made no sense!

He's the VP of the United States of America? One of the key people who actually travels quite a lot around the world to meet with various leaders.

[Vampiregenesis]

Sure, like WW3 triggered when North Korea got involved, right?

The west is not willing to go into a WW3 unless it's an existential matter for their countries, on the other hand Putin is willing to do it since it will be existential for him and his country and Putin is crazy enough to do it.

[LeGin v4]

Just saying, the only alternative to Trump's suggestion (ceasefire) is indeed WW3, if the US and EU send troops to Ukraine in order to stop Russia, that's WW3. Safety guarantees are essentially the same, you have to send troops to Ukraine.

Zelensky is betting that Europe will fight a unified war against Russia. Sending aid to Ukraine is pointless now since they have not enough manpower so one way or the other, troops have to be sent there by other countries.

It's comments like this that should make Kelin afraid to step outside his embassy

Fuck him and fuck Russia

[Edge-]

Just saying, the only alternative to Trump's suggestion (ceasefire) is indeed WW3, if the US and EU send troops to Ukraine in order to stop Russia, that's WW3. Safety guarantees are essentially the same, you have to send troops to Ukraine.

Zelensky is betting that Europe will fight a unified war against Russia. Sending aid to Ukraine is pointless now since they have not enough manpower so one way or the other, troops have to be sent there by other countries.

why would the US send troops when donald is threatening to stop sending aid even roflmao

they don't have enough manpower to do what? aren't they still fighting inside russian territory?

[DarkAmbient]

What does it take to make a Lib Dem voter mad? Waitrose running out of avocados?

Ask a Lib Dem voter *shrug*

[diller]

He's the VP of the United States of America? One of the key people who actually travels quite a lot around the world to meet with various leaders.

I know who he is, it still made no sense for him to be there.

This was supposed to be a press event not a negotiation or anything like that - now it became two people piling on another.

[Doomcookie]

Never was, never will. Though you could say I "support" him as I hope that it would make EU to step up.

yeah, yeah you are. This was already exhaustively covered.

[zorkuus]

I know who he is, it still made no sense for him to be there.

My guess is tRump would not have had the guts for that shouting match without support. He's a little bitch.

[Calfredd]

The west is not willing to go into a WW3 unless it's an existential matter for their countries, on the other hand Putin is willing to do it since it will be existential for him and his country and Putin is crazy enough to do it.

Oh Aizen244 you can't help but speak lies and nonsense, can you? Every declaration of "I was right!" is just an admission of you not knowing what is going on. There is a quote that would describe some people on these forums: "The less someone knows, the more stubbornly they knows it".

[Timester]

Just saying, the only alternative to Trump's suggestion (ceasefire) is indeed WW3, if the US and EU send troops to Ukraine in order to stop Russia, that's WW3. Safety guarantees are essentially the same, you have to send troops to Ukraine.

Zelensky is betting that Europe will fight a unified war against Russia. Sending aid to Ukraine is pointless now since they have not enough manpower so one way or the other, troops have to be sent there by other countries.

That's why the 3-days special operation already has 3 years and Russia is using Norks to try to retake Kursk?

Putin wants to end the war because he knows he can't subjugate Ukraine currently. That's why he is using the dementia clown on the White House to do it for him.

The west is not willing to go into a WW3 unless it's an existential matter for their countries, on the other hand Putin is willing to do it since it will be existential for him and his country and Putin is crazy enough to do it.

Is he? That's why he is using the White House trolls? Putin is literally using the US to try to grab some land, he knows Russia is a weakened regional nation by now.

[Vampiregenesis]

why would the US send troops when donald is threatening to stop sending aid even roflmao

they don't have enough manpower to do what? aren't they still fighting inside russian territory?

Tbh, the interview looked really dramatic, the way Trump talked means that Ukraine is in a really bad spot right now. In the end of the day, he is the president of the US, you have to respect him for the position that he has, if he said that, it is true. Ukraine is in a big trouble. They know something that we don't.