1. #43541
    Not gobbeling up Trumps dick.

    No really, that's actually the only thing.
    And I don't think enabling fascists and dictators is the right thing to do, nor is it smart.

  2. #43542
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I did not expect Zelensky to fuck it up like that, he's smarter than that.

    Sometimes you need to be smart rather than right, he should know it very well - he's not stupid.
    Probably knew it was pointless. If POTUS is willing to haul him to the White House just to trash talk in public, then there's little that indicates the conversations in private are anything close to productive. Trump has already decided whose side he was on years and years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timester View Post
    Zelensky didn't fuck it up, quite the opposite. It was Salacious B. Vance that fucked up and Jabba the Dumb acted like a mob boss just because Zelensky factchecked.
    Hell this is likely the best outcome as it puts in full unquestionable display that the US is just a Russian ally and no one else’s for any one who needed that to be made clearer instead of Ukraine giving concessions and trump let’s Russia keep gutting them.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Ukraine makes up there loss of US aid from the rest of the county’s who want to stand up to Russia and there new US dog as a result of such a public blow up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I did not expect Zelensky to fuck it up like that, he's smarter than that.

    Sometimes you need to be smart rather than right, he should know it very well - he's not stupid.
    He stood up for his country and the truth, I'd say that's a good thing. What an unsurprising comment.

  5. #43545
    Disappointed I'll never get to buy Zelensky a beer or ten.
    “There you stand, the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles to blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”

  6. #43546
    EU needs to get serious and help Ukraine take down Russia's economy.

  7. #43547
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    He stood up for his country and the truth, I'd say that's a good thing. What an unsurprising comment.
    Yes, quite noble of him, but I wonder what would happen if Trump decided to cut support (if he is able to do so) ?

  8. #43548
    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    EU needs to get serious and help Ukraine take down Russia's economy.
    They should
    But the EU has managed to utterly disappoint every single time they ball lands in their court so...
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  9. #43549
    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    The west is not willing to go into a WW3 unless it's an existential matter for their countries, on the other hand Putin is willing to do it since it will be existential for him and his country and Putin is crazy enough to do it.
    So we should give Putin everything he wants, forever and ever?

  10. #43550
    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    If Russia is weak and Ukraine can hold this with some more aid then why everyone is on panic mode? why all of this?
    US holds keys to critical technologies.

    Licensing is a real thing, as well as proprietary software.

  11. #43551
    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwielder View Post
    US holds keys to critical technologies.

    Licensing is a real thing, as well as proprietary software.
    Interesting way to see that. The US has already broken multiple international agreements with our allies since Trump took office just with the tariffs alone. He actually push this, he may very well end up in a situation where they don't honor our licenses in response to it.

    And if the rest of NATO decides the cut out the US. Which would be the markets these companies would more likely want to serve? The US which will be on the verge of the next great depression or the rest of NATO who is trying to keep a strong economy?

    And while the US has the largest economy on the planet, not sure how large it is compared to the rest of NATO.

  12. #43552
    This treatment of Zelensky is beyond all measure of shameful. Actually infuriating and disgusting. The US is deeply disgraced.

  13. #43553
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Interesting way to see that.
    Let's not forget that this happened.
    If they can do it to HIMARS, they can do it to F-35's, cruise missiles and whatnot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    EU needs to get serious and help Ukraine take down Russia's economy.
    Yeah, all frozen assets need to just be flat out confiscated and used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    By whom and how ?
    By multiple people, don't you remember?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwielder View Post
    Let's not forget that this happened.
    If they can do it to HIMARS, they can do it to F-35's, cruise missiles and whatnot.
    Yeah, the US did that, but how much of this technology is manufactured exclusively within the US? And just how much of it can they get around limitations the US put on them? One of the main thing that kept the Taliban and Russia from being able to use them was the fact the neither the US nor its allies would help them with the missing parts.

    How many disgruntled workers do you foresee willing to help the EU with the responsibilities that the Trump administration failed to uphold?

    If the EU goes this route, they already have plenty of our facilities there and you can best bet US military bases will kicked out of the area killing the US's ability to force project.

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    Not even 2 months into trumps presidency.... buckle up folks... Its gonna be a long four years...

    God bless Zelensky, the man held more restraint than I would have done. Just calm and quiet while Trump cried like a giant baby, raised voice, with anger and vitriol. He looked like he was gonna have a heart attack. I would have took Trump out there and then it was me, I have a low tolerance to coming face to face with morons like Trump... I also would have been riddled with bullets for attempting it... but that's why Zelensky is stronger than I'll ever be.
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  18. #43558
    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    Not even 2 months into trumps presidency.... buckle up folks... Its gonna be a long four years...

    God bless Zelensky, the man held more restraint than I would have done. Just calm and quiet while Trump cried like a giant baby, raised voice, with anger and vitriol. He looked like he was gonna have a heart attack. I would have took Trump out there and then it was me, I have a low tolerance to coming face to face with morons like Trump... I also would have been riddled with bullets for attempting it... but that's why Zelensky is stronger than I'll ever be.
    I'm surprised he didn't ask doughboy JD Hamel to step outside, lol.

  19. #43559
    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    Not even 2 months into trumps presidency.... buckle up folks... Its gonna be a long four years...

    God bless Zelensky, the man held more restraint than I would have done. Just calm and quiet while Trump cried like a giant baby, raised voice, with anger and vitriol. He looked like he was gonna have a heart attack. I would have took Trump out there and then it was me, I have a low tolerance to coming face to face with morons like Trump... I also would have been riddled with bullets for attempting it... but that's why Zelensky is stronger than I'll ever be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timester View Post
    Ask the demented orange that is trying to speedrun Peace Nobel Prizes.
    He thinks he can get one but the of the world knows the committee doesn't live in a bubble. Sane people know Nobel Peace Prizes don't just fall out of a vending machine for crossing out certain criteria without context. And its going to at least be entertaining when MAGA realizes he isnt getting one even if the war ended by the end of the day.

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