Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Corvus]

After Trump and Vance's shameful attack, European leaders have reiterated their support for Ukraine and Zelensky thanked them.

See, he can be thankful fir those who deserve it.

[Orby]

My sweet summer child.

Look, I know lol. Just being optimistic. Although if I was optimistic it would end tomorrow...

[DarkTZeratul]

Look, I know lol. Just being optimistic. Although if I was optimistic it would end tomorrow...

I mean, there's optimistic, and then there's unrealistic...

[Saradain]

A man can't even nap without waking up to a political apocalypse that shattered the reputation of a true power on the world stage.

And the Trumptards will justify all of this desperately by any excuse.

[zealo]

Not even 2 months into trumps presidency.... buckle up folks... Its gonna be a long four years...

God bless Zelensky, the man held more restraint than I would have done. Just calm and quiet while Trump cried like a giant baby, raised voice, with anger and vitriol. He looked like he was gonna have a heart attack. I would have took Trump out there and then it was me, I have a low tolerance to coming face to face with morons like Trump... I also would have been riddled with bullets for attempting it... but that's why Zelensky is stronger than I'll ever be.

There's very little reason to believe civil participations in future elections can save America from the trajectory it's on, it's gonna be a lot longer than four years.

The best chance America has to change the trajectory it's on now, is if the US military finds itself in them to remember that their oath includes protecting the constitution against domestic enemies, but the chances of even that are very slim.

[infinitemeridian]

Is Vance wearing eyeliner?

[Edge-]

Is Vance wearing eyeliner?

https://www.elle.com/beauty/makeup-s...ner-explained/

Fashion outlet Elle investigated this last year.

“Okay, I’m not saying he’s wearing eyeliner, but there might have been a lash tint involved…”—Joseph Carrillo, celebrity makeup artist and facial sculptor

“To throw in my two cents, I honestly don’t think he is wearing eyeliner. Guys have good lashes…[JD Vance] has dark lashes and a lot of them, which may look like eyeliner. I also doubt that he knows how to wear makeup to enhance his looks.”—Daniel Martin, celebrity makeup artist

“I don’t agree with him on any level and [I still] don’t think that he is wearing eyeliner. But aren’t we lucky to live in country where people have the freedom to make their own choices? Makeup for all!”—Romy Soleimani, celebrity makeup artist

“Based on what we’ve come to know about JD Vance…I find it hard to believe that he would let a makeup artist anywhere near his lashes. With his old-fashioned views on gender roles, I imagine that it would take an act of God for him to even agree to be patted down with a powder puff to avoid shine on camera. It is my belief that he is au naturel. He is just blessed with a densely thick lash line.”—Troy Surratt, celebrity makeup artist

Consensus seems to be: Probably not, he's just blessed with pretty, thick lash line.

[Kaleredar]

A man can't even nap without waking up to a political apocalypse that shattered the reputation of a true power on the world stage.

And the Trumptards will justify all of this desperately by any excuse.

Oh please.


They’ll never mention this happened.

The next time @Somewhatconcerned shows up it’ll be to post some meaningless nonsense about illegal immigrant arrests he likes. @tehdang reserves his posts for complaining about Biden not following the “spirit” of Supreme Court decisions about debt forgiveness or some similar tripe.

I think all of the other “pro-conservative” posters around here are actually Russian trolls. And that’s the greatest compliment I’ll ever pay to tehdang and somewhatconcerned

[Saradain]

Oh please.


They’ll never mention this happened. The next time @Somewhatconcerned shows up it’ll be to post some meaningless nonsense about illegal immigrant arrests he likes. @tehdang reserves his posts for complaining about Biden not following the spirit of Supreme Court decisions about debt forgiveness or some similar tripe.

I think all of the other “pro-conservative” posters around here are actually Russian trolls. And that’s the greatest compliment I’ll ever pay to tehdang and somewhatconcerned

Well, it be few days of relentless russian troll and propaganda posts on every image posting site now, and some one-line posters likely popping here to cheer because they otherwise don't have a chance (if using facts instead of made up shit).

Like waves in a puddle trying to capsize the vessel of reality. Ever powerless.

But jesus fucking christ in any case what a shit show.

[gondrin]

Interesting way to see that. The US has already broken multiple international agreements with our allies since Trump took office just with the tariffs alone. He actually push this, he may very well end up in a situation where they don't honor our licenses in response to it.

And if the rest of NATO decides the cut out the US. Which would be the markets these companies would more likely want to serve? The US which will be on the verge of the next great depression or the rest of NATO who is trying to keep a strong economy?

And while the US has the largest economy on the planet, not sure how large it is compared to the rest of NATO.

And when it comes to using those technologies, how are they going to stop a foreign country from using them? Especially if that country can disable any remote disabling mechanism that would be in it.

When it comes to the US Economy, that is completely dependent on international trade and the dollar being the reserve currency. The moment the world decides that the US has become too toxic, the US goes from being the worlds highest GDP(the world's largest economy is China by far as they have the largest possible market however controlled it is) to literally one of the lowest GDPs in a matter of a few months to a year.

[Draco-Onis]

And when it comes to using those technologies, how are they going to stop a foreign country from using them? Especially if that country can disable any remote disabling mechanism that would be in it.

When it comes to the US Economy, that is completely dependent on international trade and the dollar being the reserve currency. The moment the world decides that the US has become too toxic, the US goes from being the worlds highest GDP(the world's largest economy is China by far as they have the largest possible market however controlled it is) to literally one of the lowest GDPs in a matter of a few months to a year.

That's not likely to happen due to the sheer size of the US economy however we will go into a deep recession dragging the world along with us. The world order has changed entirely and after the multi polar world will solidify and no amount of begging and diplomacy will give the US its leadership position back. GDP is a very bad metric for economic growth but ours will indeed stagnate for generations.

[gondrin]

That's not likely to happen due to the sheer size of the US economy however we will go into a deep recession dragging the world along with us. The world order has changed entirely and after the multi polar world will solidify and no amount of begging and diplomacy will give the US its leadership position back. GDP is a very bad metric for economic growth but ours will indeed stagnate for generations.

I use GDP because outside of that, the US has very little to provide that cannot be gotten elsewhere. As far as size of economy, China is the largest followed by India or the EU. Natural Resources? Well, you can take the US off of the table while Trump is in office because he hates actual fair trades. He just want to bully people into trade agreements that are at a disadvantage to any trade partner.

Yes, the US produces more oil but if the market tanks, unlike SA or other countries where it is a state owned industry, the entire oil market in the US collapses overnight. Food is restricted trade around the world due to the fact that the US uses techniques or modifies their food that goes against regulations in those markets. While the US does ship food overseas, once again, those markets will collapse because of Trump and his trade policy of "Tariff, Tariff, Tariff.".

The US is FAR more dependent on international trade than any other country. All the bluster that the President loves to belch out still doesn't change the fact that the US is a debt ridden country that is more beholden to everyone else than everyone else to it.

[Orby]

There's very little reason to believe civil participations in future elections can save America from the trajectory it's on, it's gonna be a lot longer than four years.

The best chance America has to change the trajectory it's on now, is if the US military finds itself in them to remember that their oath includes protecting the constitution against domestic enemies, but the chances of even that are very slim.

I wanna believe this, but that's the sort of thing that happens in movies, you know the scenes when the big evil leader orders his men to attack but they gain a heart and turn away from him.... Sadly this is real life, and we live in dark times... but I would like that :P

[Voidwielder]

Ze is taking few small steps back on Fox. Good. But that doesn't address to core issue - Zelensky correctly pointed out that Putin has no track record of promises kept and treaties respected and Vance just pounced.
Either Vance has no self control or he was looking for an opportunity all along.

[Edge-]

Either Vance has no self control or he was looking for an opportunity all along.

Both. He's an undisciplined idiot.

[DarkAmbient]

Either Vance has no self control or he was looking for an opportunity all along.

From the question about Zelenskyy's clothes, to Vance's needlessly argumentative intervention, to Trump's public haranguing of Zelenskyy, the whole thing was exactly what they wanted. They were probably laughing and punching the air when Zelenskyy left. A successful mission by Agent Krasnov.

[Voidwielder]

Berating Ze for wearing what he does is silly considering how Franklin chose to appear at the French court.

[Gaidax]

He stood up for his country and the truth, I'd say that's a good thing. What an unsurprising comment.

And what did he get out of it?

Sometimes you just need to be smart, rather than right. I think this is probably the second Zelensky fuckup of this kind, he got a good track record overall, but this was a clear mistake.

And yes, he is very correct that whatever agreement signed with Russia would not last for long, but he does not really have any viable alternative choice at this time.

[Edge-]

And what did he get out of it?

What's he supposed to do? Bow down to a bully who can't be trusted anyways?

And yes, he is very correct that whatever agreement signed with Russia would not last for long, but he does not really have any viable alternative choice at this time.

A deal with no security guarantee is not a deal that benefits Ukraine.

Honestly I'm hoping Ukraine signs one with Europe that also gives them first dibs on the rare earth minerals there. It would be another in the fast and rather long line of failed American negotiations over the past month.

[Xath]

And what did he get out of it?

Sometimes you just need to be smart, rather than right. I think this is probably the second Zelensky fuckup of this kind, he got a good track record overall, but this was a clear mistake.

And yes, he is very correct that whatever agreement signed with Russia would not last for long, but he does not really have any viable alternative choice at this time.

Have you actually paid attention to the reaction outside of magats? He has basically the rest of the free world 100% standing behind him now and bringing heat down on the toddler claiming to be president.