Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Masark]

What specifically did Zelensky do wrong, in your opinion?

Walked into trump's presence without a gun in hand.

In his defense, it does seem to be a very common mistake.

[postman1782]

I did not expect Zelensky to fuck it up like that, he's smarter than that.

Sometimes you need to be smart rather than right, he should know it very well - he's not stupid.

He didn't, he destroyed Trump. Go fuck off.

[SAY HER NAME]

What specifically did Zelensky do wrong, in your opinion?

He didnt make Trump feel right. Which I kind of agree with. If your biggest ally is threatening to cut you off and they only want some symbolic concessions then shut up about your pride and let it go through. At the same time, Vance is an idiot and was pushing it trying to make Ukraine look unreasonable and that only them were opposed to diplomacy. Vance should have shut up and let the deal go through, he is not the president trying debate tactics on live camera is stupid. Let it slide and sign the deal.

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TBH at this point I sort of agree with Trump. Europe let Russia have free reign and actively fought to hand Russia even more money for their war efforts for 10+ years even after they had taken over Crimea. It was only when the appeasement didnt work that they decided to try to do something. But alas. Its a sad story for the Ukranians, the only country that supported them for a decade now abandoning them. Whatever.

[Draco-Onis]

He didnt make Trump feel right. Which I kind of agree with. If your biggest ally is threatening to cut you off and they only want some symbolic concessions then shut up about your pride and let it go through. At the same time, Vance is an idiot and was pushing it trying to make Ukraine look unreasonable and that only them were opposed to diplomacy. Vance should have shut up and let the deal go through, he is not the president trying debate tactics on live camera is stupid. Let it slide and sign the deal.

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TBH at this point I sort of agree with Trump. Europe let Russia have free reign and actively fought to hand Russia even more money for their war efforts for 10+ years even after they had taken over Crimea. It was only when the appeasement didnt work that they decided to try to do something. But alas. Its a sad story for the Ukranians, the only country that supported them for a decade now abandoning them. Whatever.

Are you insane? this was a public humiliation, is the United States the only country in the world with nationalism? if he did as you say his country would revolt against him. Let's also make something else clear any deal Zelensky makes still needs to pass his congress, there's zero chance a deal selling out Ukraine with no solid guarantees will pass. He did the best he could with the hand he got dealt, this was an ambush by Trump to humiliate him, there was no way to make Trump "feel right" because he loves Putin.

Do you think he was calling Zelensky a dictator out of love? he was set up to fail.

[Wyrt]

He didnt make Trump feel right. Which I kind of agree with. If your biggest ally is threatening to cut you off and they only want some symbolic concessions then shut up about your pride and let it go through. At the same time, Vance is an idiot and was pushing it trying to make Ukraine look unreasonable and that only them were opposed to diplomacy. Vance should have shut up and let the deal go through, he is not the president trying debate tactics on live camera is stupid. Let it slide and sign the deal.

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TBH at this point I sort of agree with Trump. Europe let Russia have free reign and actively fought to hand Russia even more money for their war efforts for 10+ years even after they had taken over Crimea. It was only when the appeasement didnt work that they decided to try to do something. But alas. Its a sad story for the Ukranians, the only country that supported them for a decade now abandoning them. Whatever.

Zelenskyy is right, diplomacy doesn't work with Russia and Putin will violate any agreement at any time without any security guarantees.

Trump's just trying to plunder Ukraine before letting Russia take it.

[PACOX]

Are you insane? this was a public humiliation, is the United States the only country in the world with nationalism? if he did as you say his country would revolt against him. Let's also make something else clear any deal Zelensky makes still needs to pass his congress, there's zero chance a deal selling out Ukraine with no solid guarantees will pass. He did the best he could with the hand he got dealt, this was an ambush by Trump to humiliate him, there was no way to make Trump "feel right" because he loves Putin.

Do you think he was calling Zelensky a dictator out of love? he was set up to fail.

Its like telling a friend in front of the whole school on an intercom "hey, I asked the bully to stop kicking your ass if you just give them your lunch money. You do you mean no? I spoke on your behalf you are going to say no? Do you want to keep getting your ass kicked? Maybe you deserve to get your ass kicked. Don't come to me the next time they kick your ass, loser."

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Zelenskyy is right, diplomacy doesn't work with Russia and Putin will violate any agreement at any time without any security guarantees.

Trump's just trying to plunder Ukraine before letting Russia take it.

Dude really just said, "well maybe the Ukrainians really should just give up their sovereignty" Disgusting cowardice nonsense.

[Joszef Kiprich]

Trump:

Without the U.S. and our weapons, this war would be over in two weeks

Zelensky:

I heard 'three days' from Putin. Now it's 'two weeks'

[Specialka]

By multiple people, don't you remember?

Who? And how their distorted views matter ?

[Veggie50]

Trump:


Zelensky:

That was an amazing comeback

[Corvus]

He also laid down one on mtg's so called journalist boyfriend when asked why he wasn't wearing a suit.

I'll wear a costume when the war is over. Maybe one like yours. Maybe one better.

[Wilian]

I don't think Oval Office has ever been so thoroughly humiliated by its president as it now has been by the Russian monkey Trump. If this doesn't shake EU up to see, or rather react to what that halfwit Russian asset is, then nothing will. It was wholly a display of Trump gorging himself on Putins asshole while last vestiges of doubt for those mentally inconvenienced about US vassalship should be shredded.

Thankfully in immediate aftermath Zelensky got absolute support from European- and leaders worldwide.

What a shitshow and we are only one month in.

[KrayZ33]

People that think Zelensky could have won anything in that meeting are delusional.
He literally got blasted for not wearing a suit in the oval office.
The same office where Trump and Musk wear baseball caps.

He was being antagonized, nothing he could've done would have helped Ukraine.
It's quite obvious to me that he got ambushed, thinking he would visit allies - but they turned out to be backstabbing enemies instead.

[Gaidax]

What's he supposed to do? Bow down to a bully who can't be trusted anyways?

Yes. Yes, it is what it is - he had no power there and no business getting into this dumb argument in front of the media.

Zelensky was correct in 90% of what he said. Trump was correct in one thing he said - Zelensky has no leverage. That one correct statement means much more than 10 correct statements from Zelensky.

I think that Trump made a mistake there too, but I really expected Zelensky to not supply the ammo for that to happen - I really took him for much smarter than that.

A deal with no security guarantee is not a deal that benefits Ukraine.

Honestly I'm hoping Ukraine signs one with Europe that also gives them first dibs on the rare earth minerals there. It would be another in the fast and rather long line of failed American negotiations over the past month.

Europe can't do shit - don't even think Europe can actually replace the void US will leave if it bails. It's really that simple.

Trump is correct in stating that Zelensky can say and do what he does mostly because US was firmly behind him. Without US, he has many sympathies, but little actual leverage. His people aren't going to be loading those guns and making those drones out of solidarity tweets.

[Wilian]

Yes. Yes, it is what it is - he had no power there and no business getting into this dumb argument in front of the media.

Zelensky was correct in 90% of what he said. Trump was correct in one thing he said - Zelensky has no leverage. That one correct statement means much more than 10 correct statements from Zelensky.

I think that Trump made a mistake there too, but I really expected Zelensky to not supply the ammo for that to happen - I really took him for much smarter than that.



Europe can't do shit - don't even think Europe can actually replace the void US will leave if it bails. It's really that simple.

Trump is correct in stating that Zelensky can day and do what he does mostly because US was firmly behind him. Without US, he has many sympathies, but little actual leverage.

EU and Europe has given more support to Ukraine than US throughout the war. Gobble that Trump cock elsewhere, with the stash of popcorn you consume while fapping to genocides.

[Nymrohd]

EU and Europe has given more support to Ukraine than US throughout the war. Gobble that Trump cock elsewhere, with the stash of popcorn you consume while fapping to genocides.

The problem is that some forms of support provided by the US cannot be readily replaced by other countries and their withdrawal would have an immediate effect. Same with the US withdrawing sanctions from Russia. And Trump absolutely can do either. Not because he is petty. Because he always planned to.

[KrayZ33]

Yes. Yes, it is what it is - he had no power there and no business getting into this dumb argument in front of the media.

Zelensky was correct in 90% of what he said. Trump was correct in one thing he said - Zelensky has no leverage. That one correct statement means much more than 10 correct statements from Zelensky.

I think that Trump made a mistake there too, but I really expected Zelensky to not supply the ammo for that to happen - I really took him for much smarter than that.



Europe can't do shit - don't even think Europe can actually replace the void US will leave if it bails. It's really that simple.

Trump is correct in stating that Zelensky can day and do what he does mostly because US was firmly behind him. Without US, he has many sympathies, but little actual leverage.

Imagine bowing to the person that wants to sell out your country to the enemy behind your back.
No, he shouldn't have, what he did is the correct thing.

He also didn't give any "ammo". How devoid of common sense would someone have to be to even think that?
If the people of the US are too stupid to realize that he didn't say anything outragerous or undiplomatic, perhaps the US just isn't the kind of ally the Ukraine needs.


What would the "correct" statement in your opinion even be?
What was the answer you expected in the first place?
When he was asked to be grateful, he said he is grateful, when he asked that the Ukraine is in troouble, he said he knows it's in trouble. etc. etc.

What did he blew up? What was the support even tied to, what could he have answered to get the support?
There was literally no offer of support in that talk

Another despicable thing Trump tried to do is downtalk the EU support and spread disinformation.
If Zelensky would admit to these falsehoods, he would basically risk support of EU which is equally important.

[Gaidax]

The problem is that some forms of support provided by the US cannot be readily replaced by other countries and their withdrawal would have an immediate effect. Same with the US withdrawing sanctions from Russia. And Trump absolutely can do either. Not because he is petty. Because he always planned to.

This is basically what people here don't understand.

Can be angry all day long, but US support is indispensable and in many more ways than just plain banal money.

Mean and unfair, for sure. Does not change that fact though.

[Voidism]

Yes. Yes, it is what it is - he had no power there and no business getting into this dumb argument in front of the media.

Zelensky was correct in 90% of what he said. Trump was correct in one thing he said - Zelensky has no leverage. That one correct statement means much more than 10 correct statements from Zelensky.

I think that Trump made a mistake there too, but I really expected Zelensky to not supply the ammo for that to happen - I really took him for much smarter than that.



Europe can't do shit - don't even think Europe can actually replace the void US will leave if it bails. It's really that simple.

Trump is correct in stating that Zelensky can say and do what he does mostly because US was firmly behind him. Without US, he has many sympathies, but little actual leverage. His people aren't going to be loading those guns and making those drones out of solidarity tweets.

People tend to mix up what is rightous with what is required unfortunately. People like slogans, when the world is run on real power.

Zelenskyy let himself be baited into something he really can't afford. I would be mad as hell if I was Ukrainian with both Trump and Zelenskyys performance.

Note that I think the US does benefit from their security arrangements, I support Ukraine to get back all territory and so on if they do manage that (they won't, but I would be very happy if they do) and think Putin and Russia are doomed within 20 years. That doesn't mean I need to yell slogans between supporting these things.

I'm surprised people here still have this "Disney view" of the conflict. Why would anyone want to live in la-la-land information wise in a real conflict?

Meanwhile, Europe stands stunned at the reality that experts have been screaming in their tiny neolib ears for years now without listening.

[alach]

Gotta hand it to trump, he managed to Unite the Alliance and Horde. Of course there are still a few members from cult of N'Zoth left, but it seems like the consensus across the globe this morning is that trump is a piece of shit that played Zelensky dirty.
donald j drumpf. Truely the dumbest russian assest at putins disposable.

Here is some headlines from Forbes, etc. to counter any aforementions cultists' talking points.

New Guns, More Ammo: Ukraine’s Artillery Blasts Away At A Rate Of Millions Of Shells A Year

Ukraine “needs lots and lots of 155-millimeter shells,” wrote Michael Shurkin, an associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute in London. Can Ukraine keep its big guns firing as Trump aligns the United States with Russia and halts further U.S. aid to Ukraine?

Fortunately for Ukraine, the answer is a qualified—and complicated—yes. Separate Czech, Estonian, German and Norwegian initiatives, among others, should keep Ukraine’s best 155-millimeter howitzers blasting away, even as stockpiles of American shells run out.

Since February 2022, Ukraine has received around 900 155-millimeter howitzers from its allies as well as millions of shells for these towed and self-propelled guns, each of which lobs a 100-pound shell 15 miles or farther. The Ukrainians have lost around 200 of the guns to Russian action, but are replacing them with locally made wheeled howitzers at a rate of around 20 new guns a month.

All told, Ukrainian artillery fires 5,000 or more 155-millimeter rounds every day for an annual total of around 2 million shells. That’s fewer shells than Russian artillery fires, but enough to shatter attacking Russian formations—and make them pay dearly in troops and vehicles for every yard they advance.

As Trump Rages, A Ukrainian Jet Armed With French Bombs Hammers A Russian Intel Base

European allies rally behind Ukraine after White House row

[Wilian]

The problem is that some forms of support provided by the US cannot be readily replaced by other countries and their withdrawal would have an immediate effect. Same with the US withdrawing sanctions from Russia. And Trump absolutely can do either. Not because he is petty. Because he always planned to.

I am perfectly aware of this. I have spent last two to three years ripping into EU and Europe as a whole for the sheer incompetence, mismanagement and inability to act and react in any reasonable timeframe as indicated my post history. However what some people don't seem to grasp (be it the Trump's cock gobbling roaches or just people hoping for better outcome) that time of US support in any meaningful fashion is over regardless.

White House is ruled by Putin's vassal, their government is in hands of robber barons who idealize dictators all over the world. They vote alongside countries like North Korea in UN. The support is over, regardless of how much these cretins hope and think Zelensky should suck Trump's dick, which he thankfully did not. The aid cannot be easily replaced if it can be at all because the facilities to create military hardware, ammunition etc. can be decade long projects in Europe but era of US aid is essentially over no matter what. What is going is that leftovers already earmarked for Ukraine from Biden's era is still being transferred but that is running dry sooner rather than later at rate of consumption that is happening.

Genocide glamouring posters than Gaidax would love nothing more than to see their daddy Trump humiliate Zelensky and pretend the outcome would be any different short of selling his country under attack by genocidial imperialistic colonial invader to a genocidial colonial dictator (that Trump is in term of foreing policy)

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People tend to mix up what is rightous with what is required unfortunately. People like slogans, when the world is run on real power.

Zelenskyy let himself be baited into something he really can't afford. I would be mad as hell if I was Ukrainian with both Trump and Zelenskyys performance.

Note that I think the US does benefit from their security arrangements, I support Ukraine to get back all territory and so on if they do manage that (they won't, but I would be very happy if they do) and think Putin and Russia are doomed within 20 years. That doesn't mean I need to yell slogans between supporting these things.

I'm surprised people here still have this "Disney view" of the conflict. Why would anyone want to live in la-la-land information wise in a real conflict?

Meanwhile, Europe stands stunned at the reality that experts have been screaming in their tiny neolib ears for years now without listening.

Thinking that Zelensky's actions would've somehow altered Putin's vassal's course is the example of living in the Disney la-la-la land.