Russian invasion of Ukraine

[PhaelixWW]

The west EU states are either harsh, irresponsible or indifferent towards the east frontier states. They only react when the enemy gets into their border. See Poland WW2, they did NOTHING about it. Your country who is also a frontier state was attacked by the Soviet Union, again they did NOTHING.

That's 80+ years ago.

[Nymrohd]

I was sure the troll is romanian, but eh, I've seen plenty of greeks siding with russians too. Would pain me to categorize Greece as eastern europe, but hey, it only proves vatnik propaganda works better than it should when people who never suffered soviet oppression think it was a good thing to aspire to...

Vatnik propaganda works just fine on FN voters in France or AfD & BSW voters in Germany (you know, 25% of them) or Meloni voters in Italy. It is not at all unique to Eastern Europe.

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That's 80+ years ago.

Crimea was 11 years ago and Europe did nothing. I could understand ignoring Georgia. It did not even prepare for disengagement with Russia, to the contrary. Brexit happened where we saw significant interference in a then EU member state, we did nothing.
Let's not pretend that there wasn't a scenario where Russia intervened in Ukraine in a softer manner and Europe would have had some stern words at most.

[Saradain]

Let me repeat this again, I don't like Russia. I just think that the EU is not good for anything and their geopolitic interests do not allign with our own. That was always the case and that's why we suffered so much in the past. The west EU states are either harsh, irresponsible or indifferent towards the east frontier states. They only react when the enemy gets into their border. See Poland WW2, they did NOTHING about it. Your country who is also a frontier state was attacked by the Soviet Union, again they did NOTHING. They have no respect for others unless their interests are hurt and the fact is that no EU frontier state ever threatened them, we have never ever in our history invaded or threatened a west EU state so there is no benefit either to want us weakened.

Why don't they send troops to Ukraine now after all the promises they have made? they are letting Ukrainians die alone, they make big announcements and then they withdraw them afterwards. Do you imagine the suffering that Ukrainians have to endure now? Do you understand the humiliation of watching their leader being bullied all of because of west promises? Now if you are an Ukrainian and you end up accepting terrible terms without receiving any help, are you still going to be pro-west? History have always been like this, that's why we hate the West. We view it as something that want to take advantage of us and sabotage our countries for their benefit. They use the eastern expansionist powers (Russia, Turkey) to achieve this.

All of you people are saying that Russia is weak and so on... then why EU troops are not there already? What do they fear if the opponent is weak?

European Union was founded in 1993. Winter War happened many, many decades before that.

The sending troops was part of a ceasefire/war ending peacekeeping proposition. Sending troops in now during state of war, to actively engage in killing russian invaders means a declaration of war. Which would feed your kind of propaganda posters that evil West/NATO/boogieman is attacking poor russians.

No one is "letting ukrainians die" but Russia. Other nations can and should arm Ukraine until every russian invader is put to the sword, including purging Crimea from their colonists, be that violently or peacefully ejecting them back to Russia, after which they are actual russian territorial problem how to house them.

[Vampiregenesis]

European Union was founded in 1993. Winter War happened many, many decades before that.

The sending troops was part of a ceasefire/war ending peacekeeping proposition. Sending troops in now during state of war, to actively engage in killing russian invaders means a declaration of war. Which would feed your kind of propaganda posters that evil West/NATO/boogieman is attacking poor russians.

No one is "letting ukrainians die" but Russia. Other nations can and should arm Ukraine until every russian invader is put to the sword, including purging Crimea from their colonists, be that violently or peacefully ejecting them back to Russia, after which they are actual russian territorial problem how to house them.

Ukraine is low on man power, we are past the point where arming them alone would be enough. They are saying that themselves.

The ceasefire won't work, Russia already said that it doesn't want EU peacekeeping troops in Ukraine and Von Der Leyen has said the Putin wants to continue the war, so that's out of the window too. The US is not willing to support the ceasefire either.

There is only one option left, send troops to Ukraine and declare war to Putin where the EU will fight it alone without assistance from the US, in fact, at this state the US could even support the Russia, it's not unlikely at all.

No EU citizen wants his country to send troops to Ukraine and that includes countries like Germany. The morale of a EU soldier will be much lower than its Russian counterpart.

Unless a miracle happens and the EU actually does something useful and send a unified army to Ukraine, the only option left is to remove Zelensky and bring someone who will accept the terrible terms of Trump. The US will of course profit from both Russia and Ukraine from the natural resources. The nord stream 2 will be rebuilded and cheap gas will again flow in Europe (they already negotiate that), everything will return back to where it was but this time with a decimated Ukraine losing areas, tons of men/women/kids and their natural resources being shared by USA and Russia.

How terrific is this?

[Saradain]

Ukraine is low on man power, we are past the point where arming them alone would be enough. They are saying that themselves.

The ceasefire won't work, Russia already said that it doesn't want EU peacekeeping troops in Ukraine and Von Der Leyen has said the Putin wants to continue the war, so that's out of the window too. The US is not willing to support the ceasefire either.

There is only one option left, send troops to Ukraine and declare war to Putin where the EU will fight it alone without assistance from the US, in fact, at this state the US could even support the Russia, it's not unlikely at all.

No EU citizen wants his country to send troops to Ukraine and that includes countries like Germany. The morale of a EU soldier will be much lower than its Russian counterpart.

Unless a miracle happens and the EU actually does something useful and send a unified army to Ukraine, the only option left is to remove Zelensky and bring someone who will accept the terrible terms of Trump. The US will of course profit from both Russia and Ukraine from the natural resources. The nord stream 2 will be rebuilded and cheap gas will again flow in Europe (they already negotiate that), everything will return back to where it was but this time with a decimated Ukraine losing areas, tons of men/women/kids and their natural resources being shared by USA and Russia.

How terrific is this?

So why are you blaming EU for not sending peacekeepers if your idea was to declare war against Russia to begin with? You're blowing your own cover here. You're not blaming EU for inaction regarding support for Ukraine, you're blaming EU for not declaring a war (with or without NATO) to generate colossal propaganda for Russia to justify its aggression.

EU soldier morale being lower than drafted 60 year old orcish pig riding a donkey. Don't mind me, I'm burying my face in my hands out of shame and empathy towards you.

Good to see you finally admit you want Ukraine to suffer and get exploited.

Remind me, was your posting rant about blaming EU or supporting Russia? Because you're not making any sense

[fazaim]

Ukraine is low on man power, we are past the point where arming them alone would be enough. They are saying that themselves.

Where are they saying that?

There is only one option left

According to?

Unless a miracle happens and the EU actually does something useful

Like increasing the support?

[Gabriel]

Ukraine is low on man power, we are past the point where arming them alone would be enough. They are saying that themselves.

The ceasefire won't work, Russia already said that it doesn't want EU peacekeeping troops in Ukraine and Von Der Leyen has said the Putin wants to continue the war, so that's out of the window too. The US is not willing to support the ceasefire either.

There is only one option left, send troops to Ukraine and declare war to Putin where the EU will fight it alone without assistance from the US, in fact, at this state the US could even support the Russia, it's not unlikely at all.

No EU citizen wants his country to send troops to Ukraine and that includes countries like Germany. The morale of a EU soldier will be much lower than its Russian counterpart.

Unless a miracle happens and the EU actually does something useful and send a unified army to Ukraine, the only option left is to remove Zelensky and bring someone who will accept the terrible terms of Trump. The US will of course profit from both Russia and Ukraine from the natural resources. The nord stream 2 will be rebuilded and cheap gas will again flow in Europe (they already negotiate that), everything will return back to where it was but this time with a decimated Ukraine losing areas, tons of men/women/kids and their natural resources being shared by USA and Russia.

How terrific is this?

Actually braindead take.

[En Sabah Nur]

I don't understand why the Europeans hate us

Probably this...

Well, I'd rather keep good relations with the trio US/Russia/Israel than the EU. If we leave the EU and become another Israel, I would LOVE that.

And then this silly attempt at a gotcha over the EU.

why EU troops are not there already? What do they fear if the opponent is weak?

I don't think there is any fear. But as soon as foreign troops get involved in the fighting, this war between Russia and Ukraine becomes a much bigger thing. And you know that.

[Vampiregenesis]

So why are you blaming EU for not sending peacekeepers if your idea was to declare war against Russia to begin with? You're blowing your own cover here. You're not blaming EU for inaction regarding support for Ukraine, you're blaming EU for not declaring a war (with or without NATO) to generate colossal propaganda for Russia to justify its aggression.

EU soldier morale being lower than drafted 60 year old orcish pig riding a donkey. Don't mind me, I'm burying my face in my hands out of shame and empathy towards you.

Good to see you finally admit you want Ukraine to suffer and get exploited.

Remind me, was your posting rant about blaming EU or supporting Russia? Because you're not making any sense

But, the only way that EU can now support Ukraine is by declaring war to Putin, in any other scenario, Ukraine won't survive or it will have to accept Trump's terrible terms.

Ukraine under Yanukovych was a puppet state of Russia, is this good? NO, it's not but it's much better than the new reality they have now, a decimated and enslaved country losing control over its natural resources. It was not facing the threat of war and decimation before because as I said it was a puppet state. The west came and supported a revolution, the revolution succeeded then it went one step further discussing about a NATO membership, Russia invaded to get back its influence, border security and puppet state (yes it is imperialism, yes there is no excuse for this) and the country was destroyed. Those who supported the revolution and path change towards the west are nowhere to be found. Russians are imperialists but lets face they have the nerve to get there and die for their goals, the Europeans are cowards and hypocrites and useless that's why none likes them.

Now I ask you, the Europeans knew very well that the possibility for this to happen is very high, they knew that by supporting regime change Russia could attack and destroy millions of lives. They also knew that Ukraine has no chance to win. They triggered a revolution and then they abandonded the Ukrainians to the mercy of Russians. None would hate the Europeans if they intervened with an army to stop Russians but hey they did not, Ukrainians are alone against a superpower and now they humiliate them and bully them in public.

Russia is responsible for this but the west is as well. It's better leaving someone as a puppet than waking him up but then letting him in the mercy of his master to die. They did that not to help Ukraine come to the west but to exploit its natural resources, that's what they wanted from the beginning.

I will give you an example from our own war of independence, well in our case, troops actually came and they helped significantly although we did most of the fightning for years, both European and Russian troops came (not sure if European alone would come if Russia didn't intervene since they didn't want to lose influence). This is not the case with Ukraine. Ukraine is fightning its own war of independence now and it is forsaken completely.

So we hate the EU because of hypocrisy. We know that Russians are imperialists but we don't hate them because they follow up with their word, their men are there and dying en masse even if they are in the wrong side of history.

[Azadina]

We are paying off our loans ahead of time for multiple years in a row while having some of the best macro numbers in Europe right now. And the opinions of vampire are not shared by many in Greece. So maybe fuck off with generalizing against an entire country because you saw a lunatic on the internet.

He's very far from the first one I've seen. It seems to me like quite a few also DO share his views about Putler the great, and evil west.

[Nymrohd]

He's very far from the first one I've seen. It seems to me like quite a few also DO share his views about Putler the great, and evil west.

And so do 25% of Germans voting for AfD and BSW. So do a significant amount of Le Pen or Wilders or Lega and 5Star or FPÖ voters. Are all these people suddenly in Eastern Europe? The illusion that pro-Russian sentiment is somehow more prevalent in Eastern Europe is hilarious. At least in Greece it is only an official party position for a couple of far right parties that poll maybe 10-11% combined.

[Saradain]

But, the only way that EU can now support Ukraine is by declaring war to Putin, in any other scenario, Ukraine won't survive or it will have to accept Trump's terrible terms.

Ukraine under Yanukovych was a puppet state of Russia, is this good? NO, it's not but it's much better than the new reality they have now, a decimated and enslaved country losing control over its natural resources. It was not facing the threat of war and decimation before because as I said it was a puppet state. The west came and supported a revolution, the revolution succeeded then it went one step further discussing about a NATO membership, Russia invaded to get back its influence, border security and puppet state (yes it is imperialism, yes there is no excuse for this) and the country was destroyed. Those who supported the revolution and path change towards the west are nowhere to be found. Russians are imperialists but lets face they have the nerve to get there and die for their goals, the Europeans are cowards and hypocrites and useless that's why none likes them.

Now I ask you, the Europeans knew very well that the possibility for this to happen is very high, they knew that by supporting regime change Russia could attack and destroy millions of lives. They also knew that Ukraine has no chance to win. They triggered a revolution and then they abandonded the Ukrainians to the mercy of Russians. None would hate the Europeans if they intervened with an army to stop Russians but hey they did not, Ukrainians are alone against a superpower and now they humiliate them and bully them in public.

Russia is responsible for this but the west is as well. It's better leaving someone as a puppet than waking him up but then letting him in the mercy of his master to die. They did that not to help Ukraine come to the west but to exploit its natural resources, that's what they wanted from the beginning.

I will give you an example from our own war of independence, well in our case, troops actually came and they helped significantly although we did most of the fightning for years, both European and Russian troops came (not sure if European alone would come if Russia didn't intervene since they didn't want to lose influence). This is not the case with Ukraine. Ukraine is fightning its own war of independence now and it is forsaken completely.

So we hate the EU because of hypocrisy. We know that Russians are imperialists but we don't hate them because they follow up with their word, their men are there and dying en masse even if they are in the wrong side of history.

Try again when you have no conspiracy vatnik propaganda to use as an argument. In fact, don't bother posting your falsehoods at all, no one has time to go through every word of your tirade to disprove everything time after time after time. Congratulations, you may exceed some now permabanned trolls in writing up false bullshit.

[Vampiregenesis]

And so do 25% of Germans voting for AfD and BSW. So do a significant amount of Le Pen or Wilders or Lega and 5Star or FPÖ voters. Are all these people suddenly in Eastern Europe? The illusion that pro-Russian sentiment is somehow more prevalent in Eastern Europe is hilarious. At least in Greece it is only an official party position for a couple of far right parties that poll maybe 10-11% combined.

Yes because there is the illusion here that prosperity is possible within the eurozone and EU. It's not like the citizens don't suffer when their rent almost matches their wage and they are paying prices meant for a german wage not a greek one, it's that they think that the mistakes that are being done are not related to the EU or Euro at all. Even Bulgaria has surpassed us by now, let's see what is next. One day they will understand why this is happening to them. They probably know already but don't have the will to do what it must be done.

[En Sabah Nur]

But, the only way that EU can now support Ukraine is by declaring war to Putin, in any other scenario, Ukraine won't survive or it will have to accept Trump's terrible terms.

Ukraine under Yanukovych was a puppet state of Russia, is this good? NO, it's not but it's much better than the new reality they have now, a decimated and enslaved country losing control over its natural resources. It was not facing the threat of war and decimation before because as I said it was a puppet state. The west came and supported a revolution, the revolution succeeded then it went one step further discussing about a NATO membership, Russia invaded to get back its influence, border security and puppet state (yes it is imperialism, yes there is no excuse for this) and the country was destroyed. Those who supported the revolution and path change towards the west are nowhere to be found. Russians are imperialists but lets face they have the nerve to get there and die for their goals, the Europeans are cowards and hypocrites and useless that's why none likes them.

Now I ask you, the Europeans knew very well that the possibility for this to happen is very high, they knew that by supporting regime change Russia could attack and destroy millions of lives. They also knew that Ukraine has no chance to win. They triggered a revolution and then they abandonded the Ukrainians to the mercy of Russians. None would hate the Europeans if they intervened with an army to stop Russians but hey they did not, Ukrainians are alone against a superpower and now they humiliate them and bully them in public.

Russia is responsible for this but the west is as well. It's better leaving someone as a puppet than waking him up but then letting him in the mercy of his master to die. They did that not to help Ukraine come to the west but to exploit its natural resources, that's what they wanted from the beginning.

I will give you an example from our own war of independence, well in our case, troops actually came and they helped significantly although we did most of the fightning for years, both European and Russian troops came (not sure if European alone would come if Russia didn't intervene since they didn't want to lose influence). This is not the case with Ukraine. Ukraine is fightning its own war of independence now and it is forsaken completely.

So we hate the EU because of hypocrisy. We know that Russians are imperialists but we don't hate them because they follow up with their word, their men are there and dying en masse even if they are in the wrong side of history.

Take your meds, bro.

[LeGin v4]

And so do 25% of Germans voting for AfD and BSW. So do a significant amount of Le Pen or Wilders or Lega and 5Star or FPÖ voters. Are all these people suddenly in Eastern Europe? The illusion that pro-Russian sentiment is somehow more prevalent in Eastern Europe is hilarious. At least in Greece it is only an official party position for a couple of far right parties that poll maybe 10-11% combined.

Not to mention pro-Russian views among Reform leadership, membership & voters

We are paying off our loans ahead of time for multiple years in a row while having some of the best macro numbers in Europe right now. And the opinions of vampire are not shared by many in Greece. So maybe fuck off with generalizing against an entire country because you saw a lunatic on the internet.

And absolutely this

"Kick Greece out of the EU"

No, how's about you don't kick the cradle of European, if not, Western civilisation out of the EU, show some fucking solidarity, and actually support them while they pay off the debt. And - aren't you actually running a budget surplus now?

The Germans need to show some spine and fucking commit.

If it turns into some sort of UK, Turkey, possibly France half-arsed "coalition of the willing" where Putin does his best to kill as many of them as possible, then that really would be taking the piss. Two non EU countries defending a candidate while the rest of the EU apart from France sits on their arses. In that instance, I'd prefer intervention from China.

The EU is in an absolute shambles, as the Russians and to a lesser extent the US intended all along.

[Vampiregenesis]

Not to mention pro-Russian views among Reform leadership, membership & voters



And absolutely this

"Kick Greece out of the EU"

No, how's about you don't kick the cradle of European, if not, Western civilisation out of the EU, show some fucking solidarity, and actually support them while they pay off the debt. And - aren't you actually running a budget surplus now?

The Germans need to show some spine and fucking commit.

If it turns into some sort of UK, Turkey, possibly France half-arsed "coalition of the willing" where Putin does his best to kill as many of them as possible, then that really would be taking the piss. Two non EU countries defending a candidate while the rest of the EU apart from France sits on their arses. In that instance, I'd prefer intervention from China.

The EU is in an absolute shambles, as the Russians and to a lesser extent the US intended all along.

If Putin attacks a coalition of UK and Turkey with the intention to kill all of them then I wouldn't be surprised if a pro-Russian party comes to power here. People will become massively pro-Putin (they are not now).

However, here you see the hypocrisy of Europe. Turkey already occupies a region of a EU member state and threatens another EU member constantly, also it supports islamic terrorism abroad. Spain, Italy, UK, Germany sell them insane amount of equipment and of course they don't address these issues. We are not that different from Ukraine, it's just that we are too strong to be invaded from our neighbor (not sure for how long).

What would you feel if you were a Greek and the same europeans came and tell you that Russia is evil and it must be punished when they cooperate with another imperialist country that wants to destroy your own?

Are we wrong to be pro-putin?

On top of this, I repeat, we sent equipment to Ukraine and trained their Pilots but this wasn't enough. Most of us feel betrayed and want to get out of this. At this point, it's a battle of interests not ethical values.

[Elder Millennial]

On top of this, I repeat, we sent equipment to Ukraine and trained their Pilots but this wasn't enough. Most of us feel betrayed and want to get out of this. At this point, it's a battle of interests not ethical values.

Betrayed by who? By the EU? Or you still mad about the EU forcing Greece to get its economic house in order? Also WTF are you keep ranting
about fucking Turkey? It's obvious you're still BIG MAD about Cyprus, but what does that have to fucking do with the EU?

Also the Russians were on a genocidal campaign in 2022 and are still on a genocidal campaign now in 2025, the ethical value question hasn't changed whatsoever, if anything it has become more imperative after 3 years of seeing the Russian acting the way they have been acting.

The world does not revolve are the weird cringy schizo takes of Big Mad Greek nationalists.

Also, you've been simping for Russia and for Putin for 3 years. Go watch some more idiotic Fidias Tik Toks or some other dumb shit and stop schizo ranting.

[Pannonian]

And so do 25% of Germans voting for AfD and BSW. So do a significant amount of Le Pen or Wilders or Lega and 5Star or FPÖ voters. Are all these people suddenly in Eastern Europe? The illusion that pro-Russian sentiment is somehow more prevalent in Eastern Europe is hilarious. At least in Greece it is only an official party position for a couple of far right parties that poll maybe 10-11% combined.

Well, to be honest Austria is much more aligned with hungary and the rest of the visegard-traitors, like the -eastern- part of germany. So that its more prevalent the more eastern one goes i think is not that out of this world, but there are a lot of collaborators all across europe. I mean look at dribbles. Still, we have to be fair It's not 25% for austria - its more like 1 out of 3 austrians supports the pro-putin anti-EU nazi party.

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[Vampiregenesis]

Betrayed by who? By the EU? Or you still mad about the EU forcing Greece to get its economic house in order? Also WTF are you keep ranting
about fucking Turkey? It's obvious you're still BIG MAD about Cyprus, but what does that have to fucking do with the EU?

Also the Russians were on a genocidal campaign in 2022 and are still on a genocidal campaign now in 2025, the ethical value question hasn't changed whatsoever, if anything it has become more imperative after 3 years of seeing the Russian acting the way they have been acting.

The world does not revolve are the weird cringy schizo takes of Big Mad Greek nationalists.

Also, you've been simping for Russia and for Putin for 3 years. Go watch some more idiotic Fidias Tik Toks or some other dumb shit and stop schizo ranting.

Oh wait second...are you not aware that Cyprus is in the EU and Eurozone and has a part of its territory occupied? (like Ukraine)

Are you not aware that Turkey claims territory in our country? it openly says so and has threatened multiple times with invasion. It violates airspace often.

So, where is the EU here? It sells them equipment so that they achieve this goal.

We have double standards here, for me it's a battle of interests not ethical values. That's to show some why we hate the EU, hypocrisy, that's it. Putin is still evil but he is not the only one.

[Timester]

Why this became about a greek spitballing about the EU? It's completely off-topic.