Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Vampiregenesis]

Stating Russians even care about civilian casualties, let alone try to minimise them, goes beyond freedom of opinion and contradicts the sum of available data for the past three years. In less polite terms, it is an outright lie. It is the opposite of constructive discussion and as such is infractable, as is bringing Gaza into this thread despite several previous thread warnings.

Post more carefully.

You are free to support Russia but not their lies.

Waiting for my friend Elon Musk to buy mmo-champion and remove the infraction non-sense so we can post our opinions freely.

Cmon Elon buy mmo-champion and then proceed buying the other holy cow of political correctness Reddit.

[Neufab]

Do you disagree that Russians are trying to avoid civilian casualties?

Yes, there are casualties and war crimes but let's not compare it to Gaza.

There is no intended genocide of Ukrainian civilians anywhere, the people in the east occupied Ukraine don't live under fear of being intentionally killed by Russians for being of Ukrainian descent. Am I wrong? If something like this happened, we would already knew about it.

A bullshit artist you are.

[Teriz]

If it wasn't blatantly obvious that Trump is thoroughly in Putin's pocket, after this weekend, that reality should be crystal clear. Trump is essentially destroying American power and prosperity to satisfy a Russian dictator. It's also especially despicable to see the Republican party completely dump their values and beliefs on Russia just to appease Trump. After being gaslighted for decades about Marxism and Communism by the American right, it's hilariously sick to see them bend over backwards as their party leader bends the knee to a former KGB agent.

[Saradain]

Waiting for my friend Elon Musk to buy mmo-champion and remove the infraction non-sense so we can post our opinions freely.

Cmon Elon buy mmo-champion and then proceed buying the other holy cow of political correctness Reddit.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences. If your opinion is "kill all jews", you will be punished all the same. Now apply this logic to your trolling, why you really are here as you keep admitting with your ever worsening quality of troll posts.

[Ivanstone]

There is no intended genocide of Ukrainian civilians anywhere, the people in the east occupied Ukraine don't live under fear of being intentionally killed by Russians for being of Ukrainian descent. Am I wrong? If something like this happened, we would already knew about it.

You're wrong. The Russians have been mistreating Ukrainian civilians in occupied areas including murder. This is in addition to indiscriminate rocket attacks on civilian areas.

[Azadina]

Waiting for my friend Elon Musk to buy mmo-champion and remove the infraction non-sense so we can post our opinions freely.

Cmon Elon buy mmo-champion and then proceed buying the other holy cow of political correctness Reddit.

Why am I not surprised, that you consider MR Sieg Heil your friend. You couldn't handle unrestricted speech anyway. You'd be crying and demanding people to get banned for posting anything against your views.

[Endus]

Waiting for my friend Elon Musk to buy mmo-champion and remove the infraction non-sense so we can post our opinions freely.

Cmon Elon buy mmo-champion and then proceed buying the other holy cow of political correctness Reddit.

Pointing out that your bullshit is bullshit is not an attack on free speech. It is free speech.

This is a private website. They're free to kick you out if they don't like how you use their services. That's also freedom.

You folks inevitably demonstrate how absolutely fucking intolerant you are of freedom. You don't want freedom. You want your own selves to be privileged above others, protected while others are prevented from offering criticism and condemnation that you have to experience.

Which is true of Musk, as he's vastly increased censorship on Twitter since he took over, on overtly political grounds, because he's a liar and you're either gullible enough to fall for it or in on the con.

Kudos on coming out supporting a Nazi and hoping for his "help". Mask off time, I guess.

[Gabriel]

Do you disagree that Russians are trying to avoid civilian casualties?

Yes, there are casualties and war crimes but let's not compare it to Gaza.

There is no intended genocide of Ukrainian civilians anywhere, the people in the east occupied Ukraine don't live under fear of being intentionally killed by Russians for being of Ukrainian descent. Am I wrong? If something like this happened, we would already knew about it.

People like you should be permabanned.

Russia is deliberately targeting civilians you amoeba.

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Waiting for my friend Elon Musk to buy mmo-champion and remove the infraction non-sense so we can post our opinions freely.

Cmon Elon buy mmo-champion and then proceed buying the other holy cow of political correctness Reddit.

Dear God there is nothing that would make me happier than Elon buying MMOC and removing the moderation so you mouth breathers would finally get to experience me unshackled.

[Elder Millennial]

Literally, wtf?

This is beyond what should be allowable

This is- "I watch 87492734927 weekly hours of non stop Russian propaganda specifically aimed at a Slavic/Orthodox audience."

[Al Gorefiend]

Waiting for my friend Elon Musk to buy mmo-champion and remove the infraction non-sense so we can post our opinions freely.

Cmon Elon buy mmo-champion and then proceed buying the other holy cow of political correctness Reddit.

You're out of your goddamn mind if you think MMO-Champion is even close to Reddit.

It is a branch site of magic find which most people do not even know about as it discusses the niche topics of video games, all of which have hugely more dedicated fansites like Wowhead.

I have been in forums for the dedicated purchasing of Ford Taurus parts and Ford enthusiasts more active than this forum.

The fact this entire thread is the same 2 dozen or so pissed off posters should verify that

[Xath]

People like you should be permabanned.

Russia is deliberately targeting civilians you amoeba.

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Dear God there is nothing that would make me happier than Elon buying MMOC and removing the moderation so you mouth breathers would finally get to experience me unshackled.

That's not what would happen. There would be selective bans based on ideology instead of rudeness and falsehoods.

[Vampiregenesis]

This is- "I watch 87492734927 weekly hours of non stop Russian propaganda specifically aimed at a Slavic/Orthodox audience."

I'm not orthodox though, I'm agnostic.

I haven't seen anywhere or in the news anyone discussing about a genocide taking place in east ukraine. I asked one guy here who was living in donbass about how life is there and he didn't say anything about being in danger of being killed etc. Life was poor and boring but that's about it, it was a life.

[NineSpine]

I'm not orthodox though, I'm agnostic.

I haven't seen anywhere or in the news anyone discussing about a genocide taking place in east ukraine. I asked one guy here who was living in donbass about how life is there and he didn't say anything about being in danger of being killed etc. Life was poor and boring but that's about it, it was a life.

I guess those mass graves in Izium just filled themselves, huh?

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Waiting for my friend Elon Musk to buy mmo-champion and remove the infraction non-sense so we can post our opinions freely.

Cmon Elon buy mmo-champion and then proceed buying the other holy cow of political correctness Reddit.

Elon isn't your friend. You are one of his rubes.

[Frozenbeef]

What I find funny is foxnews.


Like they seem same/ taking the middle ground compared to the sh#tstorm in the Whitehouse.

Which is just super weird to see.

[Saradain]

I'm not orthodox though, I'm agnostic.

I haven't seen anywhere or in the news anyone discussing about a genocide taking place in east ukraine. I asked one guy here who was living in donbass about how life is there and he didn't say anything about being in danger of being killed etc. Life was poor and boring but that's about it, it was a life.

Could it be because you once announced you're leaving for a while to look out for RUSSIAN POINT OF VIEW?? Clearly you found what you sought and now you're vomiting drivel...

[alach]

Some economic news...

Russia's economy is directly dependent on the war! Vladimir Putin can't afford peace

The British daily notes that the Russian economy has suffered significantly due to the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, for which Moscow had to spend huge sums of money. The situation is further aggravated by Western sanctions, labor shortages, high inflation and record interest rates.

The publication emphasizes that the paradox in this case is that the only growth engine for the Russian economy at this moment remains the continuation of military operations. Moreover, nationalist anti-Western propaganda has become the basis of Putin's power, which is why he will not end the war.

"Putin does not want peace and will not put up with it. He enjoys war. It is terrible. But he does not want to end the war," Simon Johnson, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and former chief economist at the IMF, told reporters.

Russia’s old economy is gone, and its wartime transformation has the military primed for a resurgence, former State Dept. official warns

Any settlement that ends Russia’s war on Ukraine must consider the Western sanctions that have helped constrain Vladimir Putin’s military, a former State Department official said. If sanctions are lifted without any major changes to Moscow’s foreign policy, Russia could accelerate the resurgence of its military as the wartime economy isn’t going away.

In order to maintain peace and restore order to the region, it will take a delicate approach and great diplomacy. Its so comforting to know we have reasonable and intelligent people in charge, who are certain to find just the right balance as not to cause an upset that would inevitably lead us down a spiral of destruction and doom.

I'm not orthodox though, I'm agnostic.

I haven't seen anywhere or in the news anyone discussing about a genocide taking place in east ukraine. I asked one guy here who was living in donbass about how life is there and he didn't say anything about being in danger of being killed etc. Life was poor and boring but that's about it, it was a life.

You mean that one guy that doesn't post here anymore? Cause he probably died?

[Vampiregenesis]

I guess those mass graves in Izium just filled themselves, huh?

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Elon isn't your friend. You are one of his rubes.

I think you confuse war crimes with genocide. I don't deny that Russians have committed many brutal war crimes in this war. I guess it makes sense that the Russian army would have its own share of criminal filth. I don't think there is any conflict at all anywhere from any army where war crimes did not happen. That's why war is a terrible thing.

Genocide is a state policy that aims to exterminate a specific group of people. It's a completely different thing and much much worse. I haven't seen anywhere that the Russians have a policy to exterminate Ukrainians and intentionally strike civilian targets for operational or genocide purposes.

There have been a lot of civilians deaths either as accidents after bombings or due to war crimes. Now were those war crimes or accidents intended? did the state ordered the execution of the people in Izium and Bucha? I don't know that, it's possible of course but I don't know.

[Kaleredar]

I think you confuse war crimes with genocide. I don't deny that Russians have committed many brutal war crimes in this war. I guess it makes sense that the Russian army would have its own share of criminal filth. I don't think there is any conflict at all anywhere from any army where war crimes did not happen. That's why war is a terrible thing.

Genocide is a state policy that aims to exterminate a specific group of people. It's a completely different thing and much much worse. I haven't seen anywhere that the Russians have a policy to exterminate Ukrainians and intentionally strike civilian targets for operational or genocide purposes.

There have been a lot of civilians death either as accidents after bombings or due to war crimes. Now were those war crimes or accidents intended? did the state ordered the execution of the people in Izium and Bucha? I don't know that, it's possible of course but I don't know.

“We intentionally blew up 15 hospitals” and “we accidentally blew up 15 hospitals” is not a meaningful distinction because clearly they don’t care if they blow up hospitals or not.

[Endus]

I think you confuse war crimes with genocide.

Genocide is a war crime. It's a smaller circle within the bigger circle. And if we're talking about mass civilian casualties, we're talking genocide, specifically.

Seriously, between Ukraine and Israel, what the fuck is it with you folks denying the definition of genocide all of a sudden? Just because you personally endorse the mass killings.

https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition

"Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
   
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
   
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
   
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
   
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

That's been the operating definition since 1948, when it was written. It isn't some newfangled idea. Russia's actions in Ukraine hit #s 1, 2, 3, and 5.

And as that link points out, this definition was a limited compromise and really doesn't even go far enough. This is an intentionally narrow definition. And it still fits Russia's actions.

Genocide is a state policy that aims to exterminate a specific group of people. It's a completely different thing and much much worse.

Just categorically false. You're playing a "no true genocide/scotsman" fallacy game, here, because you don't want to stick to the actual definition of "genocide" as a war crime. Move them goalposts so you can try and dodge admitting to what you openly support.

[Vampiregenesis]

You mean that one guy that doesn't post here anymore? Cause he probably died?

His name was Cynep or something like this, you can look him up, is he dead?