Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Endus]

Ok good. 700k? thats a lot

Then why the Russians are promoting this in their news? (I don't watch it)

Because they're bragging about their war crimes, and presenting them as not-crimes. As every authoritarian regime like them has ever done. Which you know.

I don't deny that the transfers were made, I saw it in the news. First I didn't know they Russified the children and that was considered a genocide because it was not mentioned (they mentioned it as war crime instead)

Genocide is a war crime.

And your willful ignorance of what "genocide" actually means isn't relevant. It only explains why you were either wrong because you were lazy and forming opinions without making any effort to inform yourself about the situation, or that you're dishonest. You can pick which way you should be condemned for your posting, but condemned you should be.

and also I didn't know the conditions under which the children were transfered and of course west propaganda can make it look much worse.

And here's where we know you're not mistaken, you're dishonest and pushing Russian propaganda deliberately.

A Russian propagandist promoting and supporting Nazis.

[Timester]

Could they send them to free Ukrainian territory right away? if yes then sure. You have to evacuate the area if there will be a conflict.

The concept of "humanitarian corridors" must be alien for you then. Are you 12 and learning how the world works today?

[OwenBurton]

If it's any consolation to you I don't think we should be occupying any part of Cyprus and I wish you well in your journey to leave the EU. (oh and I'd give you them marbles back too) The days of the UK being the global protectorate are a century gone, the UK handed that job over to the US decades ago and they have served us all very well up until now. But it does seem that they too have had enough of the costs for very little benefit with too many downsides and no gratitude.

It is for that reason we should not get involved in Ukraine, and it doesn't mean by taking that viewpoint you are pro Putin. It is a war not of our making, nothing to do with us and one that cannot be won.

For those that think otherwise, here is the website you need.

https://ildu.com.ua/

Good luck.

I am completely against Putin and everything his government has done in Ukraine, I am again deeply disgusted by the recent treatment of Zelensky. And if anything, I opposed Brexit in the first place, I think it was a horrible mistake on the side of the British people, and a selfish one, and for that matter I think Norway too should have joined the EU long ago. I just think that sooner or later, the war will end just like every other war, but the real question is HOW?

I simply think that a diplomatic channel should not be so lightly dismissed or minimized at this point. That was how the Cuban Missile Crisis with the Soviets was ultimately defused and averted under Kennedy, or how trade relations were reopened with China in the middle of the Cold War, or how Carter managed to forge a mostly lasting peace in the Middle East.

Have you guys seen any YouTube comments recently? There are so many of them openly mocking and attacking Zelensky from those who support the current administration on some videos, it is almost depressing, how he is manipulative or parasitic as a warmonger, how he tried to threaten or bribe America, or how he was justifably put in his place. I find it shocking, even appalling, I've tried to defend Ukraine as best I can, but the reality is this sentiment is clearly growing among Republicans, and it is possible over time some anti-interventionist Democrats/independents (especially younger voters) also get fatigue over the Ukraine and are somewhat swayed too by this feeling.

An older female friend of mine from Texas who was pro-Ukraine recently sent me a tweet about how Zelensky was so corrupt, and now she says she doesn't know exactly what to think. What am I supposed to say to these people then, to convince them supporting Ukraine is the right move?

I wish Ukraine had the sheer resources to end the war, but at present it does not. We have no real power to destroy or depose Putin's government from afar or to dislodge the Republican Party from power at this moment, unpopular as it might be internationally. The best way then is to make the best of this situation as we can, and to salvage whatever is possible to alleviate this crisis.

[LeGin v4]

If Putin attacks a coalition of UK and Turkey with the intention to kill all of them then I wouldn't be surprised if a pro-Russian party comes to power here. People will become massively pro-Putin (they are not now).

That's absolutely fine. Your choice. Let's see how it plays out

[Frozenbeef]

Putins..I mean trumps admin team wants a public apology before they will go ahead with the mineral deal.

Yeah it's not about peace, it's about ego. If peace was the primary thing goal they'd be trying everything possible to convince him to sign.

[Gabriel]

I am completely against Putin and everything his government has done in Ukraine, I am again deeply disgusted by the recent treatment of Zelensky. And if anything, I opposed Brexit in the first place, I think it was a horrible mistake on the side of the British people, and a selfish one, and for that matter I think Norway too should have joined the EU long ago. I just think that sooner or later, the war will end just like every other war, but the real question is HOW?

I simply think that a diplomatic channel should not be so lightly dismissed or minimized at this point. That was how the Cuban Missile Crisis with the Soviets was ultimately defused and averted under Kennedy, or how trade relations were reopened with China in the middle of the Cold War, or how Carter managed to forge a mostly lasting peace in the Middle East.

Have you guys seen any YouTube comments recently? There are so many of them openly mocking and attacking Zelensky from those who support the current administration on some videos, it is almost depressing, how he is manipulative or parasitic as a warmonger, how he tried to threaten or bribe America, or how he was justifably put in his place. I find it shocking, even appalling, I've tried to defend Ukraine as best I can, but the reality is this sentiment is clearly growing among Republicans, and it is possible over time some anti-interventionist Democrats/independents (especially younger voters) also get fatigue over the Ukraine and are somewhat swayed too by this feeling.

An older female friend of mine from Texas who was pro-Ukraine recently sent me a tweet about how Zelensky was so corrupt, and now she says she doesn't know exactly what to think. What am I supposed to say to these people then, to convince them supporting Ukraine is the right move?

I wish Ukraine had the sheer resources to end the war, but at present it does not. We have no real power to destroy or depose Putin's government from afar or to dislodge the Republican Party from power at this moment, unpopular as it might be internationally. The best way then is to make the best of this situation as we can, and to salvage whatever is possible to alleviate this crisis.

You tell them to grow a spine and to stop sucking the diseased teat of Russian state propaganda.

[Iliena]

The part where despite being the aggressor and invader, you are responsible enough to evacuate an area that came under your control because it will become a conflict zone. Ukraine could not possibly evacuate an area that came under the control of Russia, only Russia could do that. If the wiki article is correct then that's not what really happened so yes, that's a crime.

Fuck off!!!

[LeGin v4]

I wish Ukraine had the sheer resources to end the war, but at present it does not. We have no real power to destroy or depose Putin's government from afar or to dislodge the Republican Party from power at this moment, unpopular as it might be internationally. The best way then is to make the best of this situation as we can, and to salvage whatever is possible to alleviate this crisis.

It's really funny how, consistently, those in favour of appeasement phrase their cowardice in these terms.

Rather, than saying: "nah, fuck it, just let Russia take the land"

It's always "alleviate the crisis" or, even worse, "seek peace"

If Russia wants to do either of the above, they need to get the fuck out of Ukraine. Now.

[dribbles]

I am completely against Putin and everything his government has done in Ukraine, I am again deeply disgusted by the recent treatment of Zelensky. And if anything, I opposed Brexit in the first place, I think it was a horrible mistake on the side of the British people, and a selfish one, and for that matter I think Norway too should have joined the EU long ago. I just think that sooner or later, the war will end just like every other war, but the real question is HOW?

I simply think that a diplomatic channel should not be so lightly dismissed or minimized at this point. That was how the Cuban Missile Crisis with the Soviets was ultimately defused and averted under Kennedy, or how trade relations were reopened with China in the middle of the Cold War, or how Carter managed to forge a mostly lasting peace in the Middle East.

Have you guys seen any YouTube comments recently? There are so many of them openly mocking and attacking Zelensky from those who support the current administration on some videos, it is almost depressing, how he is manipulative or parasitic as a warmonger, how he tried to threaten or bribe America, or how he was justifably put in his place. I find it shocking, even appalling, I've tried to defend Ukraine as best I can, but the reality is this sentiment is clearly growing among Republicans, and it is possible over time some anti-interventionist Democrats/independents (especially younger voters) also get fatigue over the Ukraine and are somewhat swayed too by this feeling.

An older female friend of mine from Texas who was pro-Ukraine recently sent me a tweet about how Zelensky was so corrupt, and now she says she doesn't know exactly what to think. What am I supposed to say to these people then, to convince them supporting Ukraine is the right move?

I wish Ukraine had the sheer resources to end the war, but at present it does not. We have no real power to destroy or depose Putin's government from afar or to dislodge the Republican Party from power at this moment, unpopular as it might be internationally. The best way then is to make the best of this situation as we can, and to salvage whatever is possible to alleviate this crisis.

There's only two ways out now in answer to your question of how it ends.

1. Zelenskyy, if he wants peace and to make a deal which is uncertain, apologises to Trump for the disrespect shown signs the mineral deal then a ceasefire can begin.

2. The US walks away and Ukraine fights it out with Russia until one side runs out of men.

[Volatilis]

Looks like edge banned another poster that doesn't agree with the sites far left ideals. What a shame. Be nice if you could just have a discussion without getting censored for not being on the correct "team" in this mod created site circle jerk

[LeGin v4]

There's only two ways out now in answer to your question of how it ends.

1. Zelenskyy, if he wants peace and to make a deal which is uncertain, apologises to Trump for the disrespect shown signs the mineral deal then a ceasefire can begin.

Trolling

2. The US walks away and Ukraine fights it out with Russia until one side runs out of men.

Coward

[Edge-]

Looks like edge banned another poster that doesn't agree with the sites far left ideals. What a shame

I'm not a mod of this forum so that's a nah. I don't do mod stuff here, I just post.

[LeGin v4]

Looks like edge banned another poster that doesn't agree with the sites far left ideals. What a shame. Be nice if you could just have a discussion without getting censored for not being on the correct "team" in this mod created site circle jerk

Far left ideals?

This would be funny were the situation not so fucked up

[Edge-]

Far left ideals?

This would be funny were the situation not so fucked up

"Kidnapping children of parents killed in wartime is bad." is apparently a far left ideal now, I guess.

[Volatilis]

Far left ideals?

This would be funny were the situation not so fucked up

It is fucked up when Democrats no longer represent the working class but corporate elites and the republics of all people have to be the reasoned let's not go to war voice in the room. That is fucked and you know your in trouble when even the right is saying let's calm it down.

Also everyone talks about how the money went to Ukraine and not the American military complex. Javelins are not free last time I checked

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I'm not a mod of this forum so that's a nah. I don't do mod stuff here, I just post.

Mm apologies then it seems like you're the only active mod left on this site

[Santti]

Looks like edge banned another poster that doesn't agree with the sites far left ideals. What a shame. Be nice if you could just have a discussion without getting censored for not being on the correct "team" in this mod created site circle jerk

I'd like to see a list of these far-left ideals.

[LeGin v4]

Honestly -

The best way to describe this is as a conflict between internationalists vs nationalists & neolib globalists

Despite Dribbles best attempts, I remain an internationalist

[Makabreska]

Looks like edge banned another poster that doesn't agree with the sites far left ideals. What a shame. Be nice if you could just have a discussion without getting censored for not being on the correct "team" in this mod created site circle jerk

Mate. Did you just defend a guy who claimed that Russia kidnapped Ukrainian kids just to keep the safe from war and that Biden and Trump are controlled by Deep State?

[Elenos]

Also everyone talks about how the money went to Ukraine and not the American military complex. Javelins are not free last time I checked

This argument? I had hoped if anything this war would have put an end to all this.

The military industrial complex is a necessary and inherently important tool for any country on this planet: Yes there's money, yes there's rich CEOs, but defense industry is important.

Europe is panicking right now because they don't have any alternative for the US.

The war didn't start because of some Western MIC, Russia wasn't provoked because of the MIC or even the west as a whole.

[Volatilis]

I'd like to see a list of these far-left ideals.

Control of information/censorship and propaganda like the Biden laptop story for one. It's not bidens off the rails sons fault it's the Russians. Threats of violence for not being on the right team because they're incapable of measured conversations and compromise. The usual far left playbook really.

And don't get it twisted that I'm pro putin. I'm just pro America not being the baby sitter for every world issue when we have massive issues in our backyard to worry about first

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This argument? I had hoped if anything this war would have put an end to all this.

The military industrial complex is a necessary and inherently important tool for any country on this planet: Yes there's money, yes there's rich CEOs, but defense industry is important.

Europe is panicking right now because they don't have any alternative for the US.

The war didn't start because of some Western MIC, Russia wasn't provoked because of the MIC or even the west as a whole.

Russia were provoked by the US backed UN letting Ukraine join nato.

We wouldn't let Russia build a missile launch pad in Cuba would we