Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Wilian]

Honestly -

The best way to describe this is as a conflict between internationalists vs nationalists & neolib globalists

Despite Dribbles best attempts, I remain an internationalist

No, it can be described only in one way. Colonial imperialism by Russia and now neo-colonial imperialism by US. Both against Ukraine.

[Volatilis]

Is this a grammar error?

You do understand that a) Ukraine hasn't joined NATO, b) the UN has absolutely zero influence over NATO and c) the US hasn't "backed" the UN since Obama

You do understand that facts and clarity are actually important?

The UN is nothing without America. What are new Zealand or Australia gonna put Russia in thier place? Please.

[NineSpine]

The UN is nothing without America. What are new Zealand or Australia gonna put Russia in thier place? Please.

Buddy, you think Ukraine joined NATO. I don't think you are in any position to comment on international relations.

[Volatilis]

Ukraine. Didn't. Join. NATO.

And in your example, you are making excuses for the bully attacking someone because that person made friends, and having those friends "antagonised" the bully.

Yeah let's all pretend like it'd be easy to tell Russia the country where citizens literally wrestles with fully grown bears what to do. That'll be fine

[LeGin v4]

The UN is nothing without America. What are new Zealand or Australia gonna put Russia in thier place? Please.

Trolling

FFS - what's going on tonight? All the vatniks been at the vodka?

[Timester]

because you know what happens when you poke the bear.

The "bear" that can't break a stalemate and is using donkeys and norks as logistics?

This isn't 2021, where Russia was "feared as a powerful military". This is 2025 where Russia needs Trump to be a trojan horse to get a few lands as they can't win the war by themselves, not counting with the obvious rebellions happen right after the hypothetical "win".

[DarkTZeratul]

There's a group of people in the West that believe in appearing more reasonable by casting doubts on European/American policies, which is something I can understand. The problem is they often veer straight into believing every Russian or Chinese propaganda outlet wholesale without giving them anywhere near the scrutiny given to Western ones. Being a skeptic is one thing, being an overly selective one just makes you a shill.

I've said it before, a lot of people seem to be taking the attitude of, "The US is frequently wrong, Russia is opposed to the US, therefore Russia must be right."

[NineSpine]

Yeah let's all pretend like it'd be easy to tell Russia the country where citizens literally wrestles with fully grown bears what to do. That'll be fine

Can you steelman why the US would defend Ukraine?

[Wilian]

If Russia was never going to invade Ukraine until NATO “provoked” them… why did Ukraine feel the need to join NATO in the first place?

The funny part is, Ukraine was nowhere near about to join NATO anyhow and it wasn't that popular in polls (something sub-20s if I remember correctly) within Ukraine even after Russia started the war in 2014. So it's all just massive hogwash by useful idiots and paid off forum trolls as they try to upkeep protective narrative for Russia's imperial colonialistic actions.

[Makabreska]

Yeah let's all pretend like it'd be easy to tell Russia the country where citizens literally wrestles with fully grown bears what to do. That'll be fine

Mate, are memes your source of info?

[Timester]

Yeah let's all pretend like it'd be easy to tell Russia the country where citizens literally wrestles with fully grown bears what to do. That'll be fine

Citizens wrestle bears because they are maniacally drunks. That's not a plus.

[alach]

Yeah let's all pretend like it'd be easy to tell Russia the country where citizens literally wrestles with fully grown bears what to do. That'll be fine

Serious question. Can you tie your own shoe-laces?

[Edge-]

The UN is nothing without America. What are new Zealand or Australia gonna put Russia in thier place? Please.

I think you mean NATO, but you seem very confused.

[NineSpine]

I think you mean NATO, but you seem very confused.

You know, UNATO, the organization Ukraine joined at some point.

[Elder Millennial]

Yeah let's all pretend like it'd be easy to tell Russia the country where citizens literally wrestles with fully grown bears what to do. That'll be fine

The only thing the average Russia wrestles is raging alcoholism and crippling debt.

[Wilian]

Yeah let's all pretend like it'd be easy to tell Russia the country where citizens literally wrestles with fully grown bears what to do. That'll be fine

Did you mean country where substantial percentage of people don't even have indoor plumbing yet?

[NineSpine]

The only thing the average Russia wrestles is raging alcoholism and crippling debt.

And vaguely homoerotic hypermasculinity.

[Wilian]

The only thing the average Russia wrestles is raging alcoholism and crippling debt.

Now now, lets not dismiss suicide rates.

[Volatilis]

I think you mean NATO, but you seem very confused.

The United Nations (UN) is an intergovernmental organization that aims to maintain international peace and security, develop friendly relations among nations and countries, achieve international cooperation, and serve as a centre for coordinating the actions of member states. It is widely recognized as the world's largest international organization. The UN headquarters is located in New York City, in international territory with certain privileges extraterritorial to the United States

So how is the UN not relevant when discussing global peace and America being the auditor/dictator of said peace?

[NineSpine]

The United Nations (UN) is an intergovernmental organization that aims to maintain international peace and security, develop friendly relations among nations and countries, achieve international cooperation, and serve as a centre for coordinating the actions of member states.[2] It is widely recognized as the world's largest international organization.[3] The UN headquarters is located in New York City, in international territory with certain privileges extraterritorial to the United States

So how is the UN not relevant when discussing global peace and America being the auditor/dictator of said peace?

Russia is in the UN, genius. They are on the security council.

Do you still think Ukraine joined NATO?