Russian invasion of Ukraine

[diller]

Russia were provoked by the US backed UN letting Ukraine join nato.

Holy shit, what kind of brain-rot is that!!!

The UN has no opinion on NATO, do you even know what the UN is?

[Elder Millennial]

All I know is that I would not want to fight someone whos history of war rivals greek dominance throughout the years and in WW2 gave their soliders the choice of dying to german bullets or dying to russian bullets if they tried to retreat. Then add in the geographical aspects of being so cold in winter steel freezes up. They are pretty hard to fight.

Vampire, is this you on an alt account?

[NineSpine]

All I know is that I would not want to fight someone whos history of war rivals greek dominance throughout the years and in WW2 gave their soliders the choice of dying to german bullets or dying to russian bullets if they tried to retreat. Then add in the geographical aspects of being so cold in winter steel freezes up. They are pretty hard to fight.

Russia's military has been exposed as a joke by this conflict.

[Specialka]

If you want to learn something, I repost it : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjcMoDFU1xg

[Timester]

All I know is that I would not want to fight someone whos history of war rivals greek dominance throughout the years and in WW2 gave their soliders the choice of dying to german bullets or dying to russian bullets if they tried to retreat. Then add in the geographical aspects of being so cold in winter steel freezes up. They are pretty hard to fight.

Hello there, recently banned Vampiregenesis.

[NineSpine]

Holy shit, what kind of brain-rot is that!!!

The UN has no opinion on NATO, do you even know what the UN is?

It's so wrong that it's hard to even correct. THe UN isn't US-backed. Russia is in the UN. The UN doesn't decide who joins NATO. Ukraine never joined NATO.

[diller]

The UN is nothing without America. What are new Zealand or Australia gonna put Russia in thier place? Please.

You really are a red-hat, you have no clue what you are talking about.

[Volatilis]

Hello there, recently banned Vampiregenesis.

Well throughout the years where global powers come and go no one has held power as long as them but sure just keep insulting me. And no i'm not vampire but please continue to try silence/insult people you dont agree with. You could get a job in politics at this point.

[NineSpine]

Well throughout the years where global powers come and go no one has held power as long as them but sure just keep insulting me. And no i'm not vampire but please continue to try silence/insult people you dont agree with. You could get a job in politics at this point.

When did Ukraine join NATO? Nobody should respond to you with anything else until you answer this.

[Timester]

You could get a job in politics at this point.

I already have, I'm a History Teacher, don't make politics, Vampire.

[Volatilis]

It's so wrong that it's hard to even correct. THe UN isn't US-backed. Russia is in the UN. The UN doesn't decide who joins NATO. Ukraine never joined NATO.

American were one of the founders of UN so how are they are not part of UN. And Russia have proven they don't listen/care about peace deals so what importance does them being in UN even have?

[Timester]

American were one of the founders of UN so how are they are not part of UN. And Russia have proven they don't listen/care about peace deals so what importance does them being in UN even have?

Two words. Security Council.

Search them.

[Volatilis]

When did Ukraine join NATO? Nobody should respond to you with anything else until you answer this.

"NATO condemns Russia's war against Ukraine in the strongest terms. The Alliance remains steadfast in its support for Ukraine, helping to uphold its fundamental right to self-defence."

literallly on the nato website

[NineSpine]

American were one of the founders of UN so how are they are not part of UN. And Russia have proven they don't listen/care about peace deals so what importance does them being in UN even have?

The Soviet Union was one of the founders of the UN.

When did Ukraine join NATO?

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"NATO condemns Russia's war against Ukraine in the strongest terms. The Alliance remains steadfast in its support for Ukraine, helping to uphold its fundamental right to self-defence."

literallly on the nato website

When did Ukraine join NATO? Do you think "NATO supports Ukraine" means Ukraine joined NATO? Do you know how any of this works?

[Timester]

The despair of Zelensky not falling for the Trump's (aka Putin's) trap is abismal.

[Volatilis]

The Soviet Union was one of the founders of the UN.

When did Ukraine join NATO?

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When did Ukraine join NATO? Do you think "NATO supports Ukraine" means Ukraine joined NATO? Do you know how any of this works?

Looks like I was incorrect in that they are part of NATO, they "co operate" with NATO whatever the hell that means.

[NineSpine]

Looks like I was incorrect in that they are part of NATO, they "co operate" with NATO whatever the hell that means.

So, Ukraine joining NATO could not have provoked Russia if it never happened, right?

[Volatilis]

So, Ukraine joining NATO could not have provoked Russia if it never happened, right?

I think Putin would of gone for Ukraine either way because its all about reclaiming the fallen USSR glory days and that seems to be his life mission and he has a dangerous combination of ego and patriotism so the idea Trump or NATO or the UN telling him what to do is flawed logic from the start.

I also think more countries would of rallied behind Ukraine if it was just a flat out invasion. But now with the American meddling its muddied the waters to the point it isnt such a clear cut invasion.

[diller]

I also think more countries would of rallied behind Ukraine if it was just a flat out invasion.

You really are fucking clueless, it was a flat out invasion, first part back in 2014 where they took part of Ukraine, then later they wanted the whole thing but it didn't go as planned - you really should look subjects up before you start blappering about them.

[dribbles]

The "mineral deal" has not a single fucking under the sun to do with any kind of ceasefire of any whatsoever.

What the actual fuck are you even on about?

The Russians have made it clear that they currently have no interest in any sort of ceasefire of any kind that doesn't include Ukraine's virtual complete surrender in exchange for basically nothing whatsoever.

Trump the little bitch he is made 58092346509063568734 concessions to the Russians on the US's behalf for exactly ZERO in exchange from the Russians. The Russians given nothing.

On top of that the Ukrainians weren't even involved in any negotiations with Russia. Trump just negotiated the surrender of the US to Russia, as it had nothing to negotiate on the behalf of the Ukrainians.

Are you lying or are you really this stupid? Can you just please fucking go troll the Brexit thread where you are mostly just funny, and leave this?



The US has already walked away, that's a forgone conclusion which is why the rest of the world is moving on. The only thing the US is currently doing is wasting whatever little international influence it had left after the elections. The war will continue and Ukraine will eventually put the Russians into a position where they can have a serious negotiations which will completely not involve Russia.

If it helps I agree with much of what you say and the Trump ceasefire "minerals" proposal does seem a bit one sided in favour of Russia and the US. But it is the only deal on the table other than option 2 which you seem to suggest is where we are already and that Ukraine will ultimately be on the winning side. You may be right, I'm not sure.

Last I looked it was around 1 million Ukrainians vs 1.5 million Russians. Both formidable forces and one side will inevitably win, but at what cost in human lives and for how many years of fighting. What is madness is to think that any other European nation even Nato as a whole, can come between these two warring factions neither of whom particularly want peace, with boots on the ground as our Sir Starmer puts it and that anything good will come of it.

The UK has a brigade at best ready to go, so there's 5000 ish troops, no matter who else joins us it won't be enough.