Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Kaleredar]

The scariest part of this is that donald j trump is exactly like these forum trolls that pop up from time to time.
They come in here with misinformation are adamant they are correct. Pages and pages of people argue with them and try and correct them, present them with facts, truths, charts, documents, etc etc.
In the end it didn't matter, they didn't change their minds. They end up banned, but they still think they are right.
This is how trump is right this moment on Ukraine, tariffs, whatever else, and hes going to bring the world down to its knees believing hes right as the rest of the worlds wastes their time trying to correct him.

Except Trump's lies have a nasty habit of coming back to bite him in the ass. Unfortunately not permanently, and unfortunately not for very long. But they undoubtedly do.

It cost him 2018 and 2020, got him nowhere in 2022 and it could cost the GOP 2026 and whoever the next republican presidential candidate is in 2028.

Because just like the trolls, their only claim to legitimacy is that Trump "won." It doesn't matter if he lies, it doesn't matter if he doesn't know what he's talking about, it doesn't matter if all his prognostications come to not because he's a liar who doesn't know what he's talking. They don't care about that.

It's a team sport for them. They don't care if their players are constantly running up against the refs and getting flagged, they don't care if they're injuring or fouling the other team, they don't care if the coach is a drunk and running around on his wife with a cheerleader, so long as their team still wins.

As always, the best course in "dealing with them" is defeating them politically. There's no use reasoning with them, the only course of action is to render them politically irrelevant.

[Shadowferal]

And there it is - the sell out continues. Trump has 'paused' all military aid to Ukraine.
Expect it to become permanent soon.

It gets "better;"
White House seeks plan for possible Russia sanctions relief,

[thilicen]

The US is now officially a Russian vassal state, what a time to be alive.

[Lahis]

We wouldn't let Russia build a missile launch pad in Cuba would we

Be honest. Trump would.

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That's a good question. I think if you have a bully at school you should try efforts to reduce antagonism because you know what happens when you poke the bear. It's obvious. And you wait out till the bully dies or moves school because putin cant fuck younger ballerinas forever just like one day the dumb brute will have to move on.

I dealt with my bully by punching him straight into the face. He fell down on his ass and never bothered me again.

[Mekh]

Be honest. Trump would.

Not for free. But if Trump gets to build another hotel in Moscow...

[Timester]

Not for free. But if Trump gets to build another hotel in Moscow...

Called Trump's Golden Waters.

[Nymrohd]

Let's see how Rearm Europe goes. Removing military spending from deficit calculations alone is massive. An intent for increasing expenditure by €800 billion over the next few years with €150 billion in loans in the short term should do a lot of work to allow for support to remain. Sanction relief may be the greater concern; what Ukraine needs now is for Russia's economy to crash. Imo Europe should try to intensify and better enforce existing sanctions.

[Lahis]

Sanction relief may be the greater concern; what Ukraine needs now is for Russia's economy to crash. Imo Europe should try to intensify and better enforce existing sanctions.

We will see if US economy is strong enough after all these tariffs to support Russia and keep their war machine going.

[MCMLXXXII]

Called Trump's Golden Waters.

With easy to open windows, for all your fall-out-of-the-window accidents.

[Veggie50]

The worst hit to US hegemony is that Trump has made it very clear that any agreement/treaty/garanty only has a (max) 4 year warranty, since the argument "that was my predecessor, not me" is apparently valid to trash them.

Even if the constitution changes tomorrow and Obama would be elected back into office, the world would still be hesitent to enter new deals.

[Flarelaine]

The worst hit to US hegemony is that Trump has made it very clear that any agreement/treaty/garanty only has a (max) 4 year warranty, since the argument "that was my predecessor, not me" is apparently valid to trash them.

Even if the constitution changes tomorrow and Obama would be elected back into office, the world would still be hesitent to enter new deals.

Global loss of trust in the US benefits Russia and other rogue states just fine, of course.

[Veggie50]

Global loss of trust in the US benefits Russia and other rogue states just fine, of course.

Lovin the hat...

I don't necessarily agree that a loss of trust in the USA is a net benefit to Russia and other rogue states in the medium to longterm. Short term sure, Russia has a much better outlook on Ukraine. If in the next 10 years Europe starts arming itself to the teeth they may realize it's much better to have the USA as a counterforce an ocean away.

[Kaleredar]

Global loss of trust in the US benefits Russia and other rogue states just fine, of course.

Sad part is that MAGATs will wear that hat unironically

[Odinfrost]

Sad part is that MAGATs will wear that hat unironically

Better a traitor than a democrat and all that, yes?

[Wilian]

Let's see how Rearm Europe goes. Removing military spending from deficit calculations alone is massive. An intent for increasing expenditure by €800 billion over the next few years with €150 billion in loans in the short term should do a lot of work to allow for support to remain. Sanction relief may be the greater concern; what Ukraine needs now is for Russia's economy to crash. Imo Europe should try to intensify and better enforce existing sanctions.

I do wonder in regards of Germany if this is on top of the 400-500 billion re-armament plan their upcoming coalition government is finalizing before taking power. That would be 1.3 trillions into rearming Europe, without counting in the extra 150 billion loan plan.

[Nymrohd]

I do wonder in regards of Germany if this is on top of the 400-500 billion re-armament plan their upcoming coalition government is finalizing before taking power. That would be 1.3 trillions into rearming Europe, without counting in the extra 150 billion loan plan.

Imagine just the cost of getting nuclear parity with the US and Russia. Because we absolutely should be deploying a nuclear deterrent that is clearly the equal to either US and Russia stationed across Europe. Beyond that imo we should be investing directly in Ukraine's military complex.

Because that's what the world needed, more nukes. It all goes back to Yuppie

[Xath]

Imagine just the cost of getting nuclear parity with the US and Russia. Because we absolutely should be deploying a nuclear deterrent that is clearly the equal to either US and Russia stationed across Europe. Beyond that imo we should be investing directly in Ukraine's military complex.

Because that's what the world needed, more nukes. It all goes back to Yuppie

You don't need parity in nukes. The US and Russia have enough Nukes to blanket the world you just need enough to serve as a deterrent to those being used. Land and Economic Wars are much more likely to occur than nukes being used.

[Wilian]

Now if we could fix this

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ukraine-report

It's fucking disgusting we are basically directly funding the genocide in numbers higher than we're willing to put on Ukraine's defense.

[alach]

Now if we could fix this

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ukraine-report

It's fucking disgusting we are basically directly funding the genocide in numbers higher than we're willing to put on Ukraine's defense.

How is that even possible? That is really terrible to read. I was wondering how the russian oligarchs were able to keep thier yachts in EU ports, or London apartments, but just outright buying fuel that is supposed to be under sanctions.

[Yunru]

Now if we could fix this

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ukraine-report

It's fucking disgusting we are basically directly funding the genocide in numbers higher than we're willing to put on Ukraine's defense.

Well its a deal for X years. Ukraine evev let the russan gas over their land since they had a deal with russa and they upkept it even when they were at war. (wich is now canceled)

Only way to realy stop it is to blow up the pipeline, as then europe has a excuse to stop paying.