Russian invasion of Ukraine

[NED funded]

Zelensky's response was very predictable. Its just wild Trump how much of a coward Trump is. He is bullying Ukraine bc as he said on that oval meeting they are entirely dependent on the US. Trump wont say shit about Russia despite being the obvious impediment to peace in these conversations bc he is a coward, a weak man that is the result of decades of good times. Trump and the GOP are the weak men of our generation.

[Frozenbeef]

"You're playing with WW3..btw stroke my fragile ego and call me daddy Trump and then maybe I'll accept your terms of surrender, despite offering nothing to actually help you..."

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Its sort of worked though. Political brilliance by President Trump? Within hours...

Zelensky looks for peace deal... with Trump! Ukrainian leader says he 'regrets' White House row and is ready to work under Donald's 'strong leadership' - amid fears country will 'last a matter of months' without US support

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aid-Trump.html

The question is, is it enough for Trump. Not much of an apology, and still no acceptance of the position they are in with talks of coming back to a negotiating table. There's not much negotiating to be done if we are honest, more of an acceptance of any and all terms offered by Trump and in reality that table is a surrender table more than anything else.

And later on tonight when Trump speaks on top of all that, Europe finds out if NATO still exists in the morning as its only protective umbrella or will the US have left that too.

It was agreed on Sunday night that they'd sign it...all of this is just showboating so Trump can get praise.

[Blur4stuff]

I still have the same opinion. If the deal is signed and the war actually temporarily stops, Europe and Ukraine need to work overtime to make their territories impossible to successfully invade. Even if it means digging a grand canyon size trench along the border with Russia.

Russia will do this again assuming their economy doesn't collapse.

[Poopymonster]

I still have the same opinion. If the deal is signed and the war actually temporarily stops, Europe and Ukraine need to work overtime to make their territories impossible to successfully invade. Even if it means digging a grand canyon size trench along the border with Russia.

Russia will do this again assuming their economy doesn't collapse.

Russia needs a cease fire if only to let their attempted war economy restock. And to let their patsy remove sanctions and sell them weapons.

[Xath]

Zelensky is just buying time for EU to ramp up production it's a smart move given America will have massive civil unrest by summer with the market crashing and social security insanity that is going on.

[Kaleredar]

Zelensky is just buying time for EU to ramp up production it's a smart move given America will have massive civil unrest by summer with the market crashing and social security insanity that is going on.

Hopefully he’s making inroads with European leaders to rapidly ramp up support and defense with the knowledge that trump is not to be trusted as far as his fat orange corpulence can be thrown no matter what he agrees to in a “deal.”

Any sort of ceasefire will give Trump the barest pretense to drop support for ukraine outright and roll back sanctions on Russia, strengthening them for re-invading.

[Xath]

Hopefully he’s making inroads with European leaders to rapidly ramp up support and defense with the knowledge that trump is not to be trusted as far as his fat orange corpulence can be thrown no matter what he agrees to in a “deal.”

Any sort of ceasefire will give Trump the barest pretense to drop support for ukraine outright and roll back sanctions on Russia, strengthening them for re-invading.

Pretty sure all of EU knows that by now it's why even if we repeal the tariffs Canada will likely start prioritizing EU for excess potash production.

[Shadowferal]

Zelensky is just buying time for EU to ramp up production it's a smart move given America will have massive civil unrest by summer with the market crashing and social security insanity that is going on.

Very likely.
He's been talking a lot with Starmer and Macron before the stated deal.

[Nymrohd]

Seems that SPD and CSU have agreed to partially roll back their debt break and given that the Greens are in favour of those policies as well, this means they have a safe 2/3 majority. So Germany is going to raise some serious money on defense and infrastructure spending.

[Elder Millennial]

Seems that SPD and CSU have agreed to partially roll back their debt break and given that the Greens are in favour of those policies as well, this means they have a safe 2/3 majority. So Germany is going to raise some serious money on defense and infrastructure spending.

The debt break has been always unironically the single absolutely dumbest piece of economic legislation possibly written at any point in modern history by a developed economy.

It was basically the German government legislating away its own ability to have a fiscal policy. At that point what is your government even for?

I have a very special hatred for that piece of legislation and to this day I cannot grasp what they were thinking when they wrote that nonsense, let alone when they voted for it.

Like that's the type of legislation you have a country like Zimbabwe write before you give them their 43276482964 IMF loan aimed to stabilize their 28000% annual inflation.

[Jastall]

The debt break has been always unironically the single absolutely dumbest piece of economic legislation possibly written at any point in modern history by a developed economy.

It was basically the German government legislating away its own ability to have a fiscal policy. At that point what is your government even for?

I have a very special hatred for that piece of legislation and to this day I cannot grasp what they were thinking when they wrote that nonsense, let alone when they voted for it.

Like that's the type of legislation you have a country like Zimbabwe write before you give them their 43276482964 IMF loan aimed to stabilize their 28000% annual inflation.

Because a fair number of people (mostly on the right wing but not exclusively) think of a nation's debt as a household's debt, IE something bad to have. They simply can't get into their brains that a State isn't a family of four or a mom and pop's shop. States can't default, and if the debt you own is to banks and institutions coming from your country it's just about as safe as any investment ever. It's a tool that any developed nation uses to fund its priorities. But some people see big scary debt number and scream like if they owed that money personally or something.

[Corvus]

Ukraine says that they have a stockpile of weaponry to last 6 months, so looks like they were already making arrangements. The plan is obviously to last until the US comes to its senses, the EU gets its act together or russia just runs out of steam. On the later, the russian weapon stockpile is running dry as well - anything new just goes straight from the factory to the front.


And overnight Ukraine hit 2 more refineries, at Syzran and near Rostov, to go with the one the day before. The US had been restraining refinery attacks but looks like this might be a response to Trump - cut us off and we will go torched earth on russian refinery infrastructure. See how you like an oil shock to go with your faltering economy.

[Flarelaine]

Because a fair number of people (mostly on the right wing but not exclusively) think of a nation's debt as a household's debt, IE something bad to have. They simply can't get into their brains that a State isn't a family of four or a mom and pop's shop. States can't default, and if the debt you own is to banks and institutions coming from your country it's just about as safe as any investment ever. It's a tool that any developed nation uses to fund its priorities. But some people see big scary debt number and scream like if they owed that money personally or something.

Limiting debt might not be the devil entirely. Too much debt can reach a point where merely servicing that debt constrains the country's spending options.

[Odinfrost]

Limiting debt might not be the devil entirely. Too much debt can reach a point where merely servicing that debt constrains the country's spending options.

Definitely.
Saw a video the other day with a republican that brought up the maths of how much the US saved from cutting costs.
The "important" cuts mentioned saved a total of about 10 days of spending a year (which he rightfully called out as being meaningless), but I digress.

The one thing from the video that was of relevance was that he pointed out that interest payment has become the second biggest spending in the US

[Lahis]

Ukraine says that they have a stockpile of weaponry to last 6 months, so looks like they were already making arrangements. The plan is obviously to last until the US comes to its senses, the EU gets its act together or russia just runs out of steam. On the later, the russian weapon stockpile is running dry as well - anything new just goes straight from the factory to the front.

Unless Republicans establish Russian Style Elections in the States, only one of those that can happen is US coming to sense with Democratic president, and that is 4 years away.

[Elenos]

Russia will do this again assuming their economy doesn't collapse.

It has been 3 years since Russia invaded fully, 11 years since the little green men in Crimea. All this time all I have heard again and again is "Russia's economy will collapse", even this year we keep hearing the same thing!

It has not happened, and there's no real indication that it will happen: Their budget deficit is reasonable, their growth was just over 4% last year and while inflation isn't in a great spot it's far from the doomsday scenario it would require.

Russia's economy is very far away from any serious problems, and even further away from those issues causing any kind of change in government foreign policy.

[Saradain]

Financial Times says USA stopped sharing intel against Russia, to Ukraine.

Soviet United States saga continues.

[diller]

Financial Times says USA stopped sharing intel against Russia, to Ukraine.

Soviet United States saga continues.

I think this is probably worse than them not shipping equipment.

[Saradain]

I think this is probably worse than them not shipping equipment.

Trump loves russian rhetoric of convincing "allies". By force.

[Poopymonster]

I think this is probably worse than them not shipping equipment.

How long until "USA starts sharing intel of Ukraine, to Russia."
Assuming Elonald isn't already doing so.