1. #4401
    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwielder View Post
    Their supply lines are absolutely stretched.

    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497853526881546241
    I wouldn't put it past them, that it was entirely planned for them to loot and pillage after couple days of rations. Saves them money if they just rob from Ukraine rather than supply their troops from Russia/Belarus.
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Apparently even a cursory two minute glance is too much to ask of you.
    No, your description discredits it already. Think about that. You're trying to sell it as a valid source, and just on your own merits you fail to give it enough credit to make it worth my while just to take a look at it. You're that bad at arguing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    I'm pretty sure that is largely what Russia has done. Putin is also pushing countries like Finland and Sweden closer to NATO because they have seen how unhinged he is to invade Ukraine with no pretext.
    I have something of an inside scoop there. Finland and Sweden are not closer to NATO because of this. Nor are they further away. Ignored by the world for the most part, they have lived under heavy Soviet pressure for basically the entire cold war. Sweden fled into neutrality, Finland played an artful game of balancing on a knife's edge. Whatever threats Putin throws their way, they can handle it and maintain their independence at the same time. But it means they won't join NATO anytime soon.

    While at the same time doing exercises with NATO and buying NATO tech and generally conforming to NATO standards. You know... just in case.

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    This video is significantly more informative than most news about the invasion and the reason for it.
    “A man will contend for a false faith stronger than he will a true one,” he observes. “The truth defends itself, but a falsehood must be defended by its adherents: first to prove it to themselves and secondly, that they may appear right in the estimation of their friends.”
    -The Acts of Pilate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torched View Post


    This video is significantly more informative than most news about the invasion and the reason for it.
    Was about to post this. It all makes sense, both for the previous wars by Russia and others. Geopolitics at its finest.
    -K

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    UN to hold emergency meeting. That's only happened 10 times before.

    This is a procedural vote, Russia can't veto it. I am curious, though: Russia has veto power, even though they're clearly the criminal here. If their actions in Ukraine are considered that bad, we might see a vote to kick Russia out of the Security Council -- and then, see how much China really cares.
    Not happening, No permanent member wants to set the precedent of being able to be kicked out and having Russia in the UN to be able to to veto actions that cross their red lines in crucial in preventing all out war between super powers.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    According to Ukraine, more than 4.300 Russian soldiers are dead.

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    A thing to keep in mind with China-Russia trade, with all the sanctions against Russia and the efforts to limit their access to foreign capital it becomes a lot harder for Russia to trade with China.
    China isn't going to accept rubbles that are now practically worth less then the paper they come printed on so they will have to trade in Dollars, Euros or Yuan.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graden View Post
    According to Ukraine, more than 4.300 Russian soldiers are dead.
    Then I see stuff like this and wonder how many are just deserting.

    https://twitter.com/antiputler_news/...43820091871235

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Then I see stuff like this and wonder how many are just deserting.

    https://twitter.com/antiputler_news/...43820091871235
    Honestly, I have no clue what is going on. This is the most strange invasion/war I have ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graden View Post
    Honestly, I have no clue what is going on. This is the most strange invasion/war I have ever seen.
    Its what happens when you lie to ordinary soldiers to get them to attack their neighbours.

    In the same way that US soldiers have little problem killing people in Iraq but would probably be very hesitant to attack Canadians without due cause.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  11. #4411
    Quote Originally Posted by Graden View Post
    Honestly, I have no clue what is going on. This is the most strange invasion/war I have ever seen.
    It's probably not a good idea to take random "reports" and twitter videos at face value. Especially not with one side trying to justify an unjustifiable war, and the other trying to keep the morale of its military/populace up in face of that bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    It's probably not a good idea to take random "reports" and twitter videos at face value. Especially not with one side trying to justify an unjustifiable war, and the other trying to keep the morale of its military/populace up in face of that bullshit.
    It was linked on the BBC, they’re pretty ok for fact checking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    It's probably not a good idea to take random "reports" and twitter videos at face value. Especially not with one side trying to justify an unjustifiable war, and the other trying to keep the morale of its military/populace up in face of that bullshit.
    True, but Reuters is reporting it as well, so there's probably some truth to the source.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...on-2022-02-27/

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    Welcome to the "fog of war."

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    If putin backs down now will he tolerate such humiliation?

    Seriously, I don't think he will back down, right now they will want him dead in his country, he won't be able to stay on the side and simply live until the end enjoying his riches,
    he destroyed the economy of his country and is a wanted international war criminal. It's either suicide or pushing with everything to get Ukraine, at this point he will have to annex the entire ukraine and its resources to make up for the loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    If putin backs down now will he tolerate such humiliation?

    Seriously, I don't think he will back down, right now they will want him dead in his country, he won't be able to stay on the side and simply live until the end enjoying his riches,
    he destroyed the economy of his country and is a wanted international war criminal. It's either suicide or pushing with everything to get Ukraine, at this point he will have to annex the entire ukraine and its resources to make up for the loss.
    That's a bit over dramatic. He still holds his trump cars - fossil fuels EU depends on. And at home he can sell his retreat however he wants. Not to mention he wont release Crimea or separatist states from his control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    That's a bit over dramatic. He still holds his trump cars - fossil fuels EU depends on. And at home he can sell his retreat however he wants. Not to mention he wont release Crimea or separatist states from his control.
    Man

    He got many innocent people dead including his soldiers with their corpses all over the social media, he caused a massive refuge crisis, he delivered an extreme blow to the economy of his country and his friends, he is an official war criminal now, he has to pay reparations for ukraine, they banned him from everywhere. He will no longer be able to make credible threats to other countries after this humiliating defeat and the world no longer believes that Russia is a superpower. You can't just hide from these things and live with the damage you have caused. Actually, the russians may get serious about remove him from power and even kill him (similar to mussolini), even his inner circle probably hates him now.

    Honestly, I don't think this is the real putin, he behaves like a retard, not listening to his advisors...

    Imo, russians have failed miserably in the communication/propaganda game, that's why they lost ukraine in the first place, they haven't done enough to inspire and convince the world to be with them, none wants to be with them, everyone prefers the west. Relying on military might alone and suppressing freedoms can't get you far. Russians seems to be very bad at marketing, their constant lies are also annoying, none trust them anymore. I have to admit that americans can get away with a lot just by being better on this game, they won the entire ukraine without dropping a bullet, genious indeed.

    Russia needs someone like navalny in power, putin has made him a great favor right there.
    Last edited by Vampiregenesis; 2022-02-27 at 12:00 PM.

  18. #4418
    Rumours floating around that Ukraine is in control of Kharkiv again. https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1497903109112311810 https://twitter.com/RolandOliphant/s...93768565035012

    Waiting for more sources, but if true then it's really going well for the Russians /s

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    I don't think retreat is option at this point for Putin no. It would indeed be a public humiliation of Russia that a 'super power' can't beat a state like Ukraine.
    Worst case he goes full scorched earth, reduces Kyiv to rubble and pronounce himself victor over the remains.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Germany has announced they are going to massively increase defence spending to above the 2% GDP mark. All thanks to Putin.

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