Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Corvus]

About 7 months. They held it with about 10k men, while the russians and north koreans threw 70-80k at them, including their best troops and vehicles and took heavy losses doing so.

[Twdft]

About 7 months. They held it with about 10k men, while the russians and north koreans threw 70-80k at them, including their best troops and vehicles and took heavy losses doing so.

And these 70-80k ruSSian troops were not bombing hospitals and schools in Ukraine for these 7 months so I applaud those 10k men for saving the lives of loved ones at home.

[alach]

Overall I think a successful gambit. Losing the area looked inevitable at this point and I think the Ukrainians managed a tactical retreat. Apparently putin actually visited earlier, and we know he wouldn't go anywhere that would put him in actual danger.
I'm sure the russians needed this win before they announce their ceasefire desicion, so at least they end up looking stronger than they actually are. We might hear from them about a deal today. Remember folks, whatever they say about the ceasefire, it will be a lie.

[Corvus]

A Kremlin aide has rejected the ceasefire deal.

[Elder Millennial]

Overall I think a successful gambit. Losing the area looked inevitable at this point and I think the Ukrainians managed a tactical retreat. Apparently putin actually visited earlier, and we know he wouldn't go anywhere that would put him in actual danger.
I'm sure the russians needed this win before they announce their ceasefire desicion, so at least they end up looking stronger than they actually are. We might hear from them about a deal today. Remember folks, whatever they say about the ceasefire, it will be a lie.

The Russians already rejected the ceasefire deal.

The odds for the Russians accepting and abiding by a ceasefire deal was significantly hire before Trump turning on Ukraine.

The threat to ramp up aid and even to specifically help Ukraine to hold or advance in Kursk would have been an actual incentive to negotiate.

I'm about 80% sure the RuZZians are looking to ramp up attacks come spring with zero intention towards any kind of good faith negotiations.

But, because Trump is a fucking moron, they'll throw out some extreme maximalist demands for STARTING ceasefire negotiations and Trump will then pressure the Ukrainians towards accepting those.

[alach]

Putin says he agrees.
With a but.
Articles up on Ukraine Pravda, will probably be everywhere soon.
Let the lies begin.

[Gaidax]

Putin says he agrees.
With a but.
Articles up on Ukraine Pravda, will probably be everywhere soon.
Let the lies begin.

As i said, Russia will agree, it is only logical.

What Russia might do, is stall implementation a bit, after all there is red tape to do here too and probably there will be a start date for it. Reason is, they want to complete clearing Kursk region of Ukraine's forces there and they probably need another week to complete that.

After that is done - there will be ceasefire. What comes after that is everyone's guess, but I imagine it will go towards some sort of agreement within half a year.

[TACOshake]

Fog of War is back on the menu.

[Gaidax]

Fog of War is back on the menu.

There is no fog of war, things are pretty clear now.

[En Sabah Nur]

“We agree with the proposals to stop military actions, but we proceed from the fact that this cessation should be such that it would lead to long-term peace and eliminate the root causes of the crisis,” the Russian leader noted.

“The root causes of the crisis” are a long series of Russian grievances about Ukraine, where it will be hard to find common ground for a long-term peace settlement.

Gotta get rid of all the Nazis before they fully agree then, I guess?

Oh...

Russia casts its war as a limited operation to rid Ukraine of the “Nazis” it falsely claims are running it, but Kyiv and Western allies argue Putin’s core goals include crushing Ukrainian democracy, seizing vast swathes of territory and ending the country’s westward gravitation toward the EU and NATO.

Russia is already insisting any deal must include international recognition of seized territory, a commitment that Kyiv won’t join NATO and pledges that European peacekeepers will not serve in the country to protect against another Russian attack.

[Iphie]

Alleged demands of Putin to accept the ceasefire. 8 is a non-starter.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ay-2025-03-13/

[Edge-]

Alleged demands of Putin to accept the ceasefire. 8 is a non-starter.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ay-2025-03-13/

1. Ukraine can determine its own alliances.
2. Ukraine can decide who it allows inside its borders.
3. Crimea is part of Ukraine.
4. That deal was supposedly made to prevent Russian invasion to begin with, no? Doesn't seem to have worked at all so I'm not sure making it a second time will change anything.
5. Then Vladimir Putin can move to Ukraine and run for office if he's legally eligible.
6. The "eastern expansion" came following the invasion. FAFO, Russia. You FA, now you FO by having more NATO allies on your border.
7. They should work on building better relationships with their neighbors so they don't have to worry about their neighbors hosting western troops voluntarily.
8. Then they can join European military alliances, if the EU will allow them. But this seems like a non-starter for the whole continent.
9. No.
10. That's for the US to decide, not Ukraine.

What a stupid fucking list if it is legitimate.

[PhaelixWW]

Welp, I guess Trump's not getting the Nobel Peace Prize.

[Corvus]

The eastern expansion of NATO happened after the fall of the soviet union. Pootie is demanding Poland, the Baltic states, Romania, Finland, Sweden and other countries be kicked out of NATO and their borders left undefended.

[Edge-]

Welp, I guess Trump's not getting the Nobel Peace Prize.

And at least we know he's absolutely never getting an Ig Nobel Prize either. He's never inventing a bra that can double as an effective facemask. Nor is he investigating whether scalp hair whorls are more likely spiral counter-clockwise in the southern hemisphere than in the northern.

[Yunru]

Alleged demands of Putin to accept the ceasefire. 8 is a non-starter.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ay-2025-03-13/

Yeah..........the old man is getting crazy that is for sure. No1 in right mind would take a single demand from this.

1. Is possible
2. Not possible as you can still get mercenarys.
3. AHAHAHAHAA hell no. Crimean russans want their own country (but they were settled there when stalin did the genocidal purge on ukrainians there)
4. Nope. They broke the deal with ukraine when they removed their nucler stock. Us needs to give them new nukes as determent.
5. No country in right mind would do this. They prefer to send militarys supplys to prevent expansion to their borders.
6. Nein nein nein
7. Western could also be said for ukraine to not have military at all. Doesnt say other westeren countys.
8. In other words they want to invade us later
9. This request makes no sense. Its not like china exercises next to taiwan situation.
10. Us wants money for this missles, so hard pass.

[Gaidax]

Alleged demands of Putin to accept the ceasefire. 8 is a non-starter.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ay-2025-03-13/

That's how every negotiation process ever works; you start high and then you compromise.

A bunch of the points there are nothing more than padding for them to concede on. In reality, Putin will be more than happy to get 1, 2, part of 3 and then sanctions relief instead of the rest of the list.

1, 2 and 4 are completely no-brainer and will be easy to get for him - that's practically in the bag.

3 will be difficult and is the only real bullet point there in the whole list, but I can totally see US recognizing Crimea as Russian, for example, as part of the deal. The rest will be either discarded or negotiated down to a mostly meaningless gesture for the optics at home.

[Voidism]

That's how every negotiation process ever works; you start high and then you compromise.

A bunch of the points there are nothing more than padding for them to concede on. In reality, Putin will be more than happy to get 1, 2, part of 3 and then sanctions relief instead of the rest of the list.

1, 2 and 4 are completely no-brainer and will be easy to get for him - that's practically in the bag.

3 will be difficult and is the only real bullet point there in the whole list, but I can totally see US recognizing Crimea as Russian, for example, as part of the deal. The rest will be either discarded or negotiated down to a mostly meaningless gesture for the optics at home.

I do find it interesting that there is no mention of EU membership ban in there.

[DarkTZeratul]

That's how every negotiation process ever works; you start high and then you compromise.

This isn't "starting high." This is starting at "We get everything we want and then some, you get nothing whatsoever and everybody promises never to stop us from taking more."

1, 2 and 4 are completely no-brainer and will be easy to get for him - that's practically in the bag.

4 is literally already the current state of affairs. 1 and 2 feel like non-starters for Ukraine, though; as Zelensky correctly pointed out, Russia has broken literally every agreement they've ever made with regards to Ukraine's sovereignty. NATO membership and/or stationing foreign troops in Ukraine is their only guarantee that Russia won't just break this agreement too.

3 will be difficult and is the only real bullet point there in the whole list, but I can totally see US recognizing Crimea as Russian, for example, as part of the deal.

I could see Ukraine biting their tongue and accepting 3, but likely only as the sole condition. They're not going to give up their territory without tangible guarantees that Russia won't just come back and take more. Again.

The rest will be either discarded or negotiated down to a mostly meaningless gesture for the optics at home.

The rest is so completely ridiculous as to not even be worth addressing.

[Corvus]

Making demands of other outside parties to give up their own security is not how negotiations work.


And 1,2 and 4 are not in the bag. That provides zero security to Ukraine and are unacceptable not just to Ukraine but Europe as it guarantees the war will continue in the near future.