Russian invasion of Ukraine

[LeGin v4]

You know that politicians change but the arms stay? a political instanbility can bring these weapons to the hands of a fascist and you know who has a good chance to taste them right? if not read your history.

You understand that you're describing post 25/12/91 Russia? Russia should have been defanged at the time. Yeltsin was incompetent and facilitated Putin's dictatorship.

Now, if you don't want to pick a side: vote / revolt, I really don't give a fuck. Bugger off and join Putin. You'll be part of his next meat wall in e.g., Georgia / Romania / the Baltics. Against German debt-funded superior firepower.

[Gorsameth]

Wasn't the whole point of NATO to avoid germany rearming?

Oh well... time to brush up on my german for the inevtiable Anschluss...

As someone else elsewhere said "So you want Germany to build up their military and march east? well alright..."

[Kaleredar]

And why and how you my compatriot will benefit from this?

You know that politicians change but the arms stay? a political instanbility can bring these weapons to the hands of a fascist and you know who has a good chance to taste them right? if not read your history.

The only fascist hands poised to grab any weapons in Europe are Russian ones, and these moves are specifically in place to stop that from happening.

We have learned from history, in knowing that letting a megalomaniacal lunatic traipse across Europe unfettered just leads to more death and destruction, not less, and that appeasement doesn’t work. If Germany is on the side of right this time and is key in stopping him, then so be it.

[Pannonian]

Didnt pick up the history books did you? Re-arming Germany was one of the first things NATO did in 50s. Germany disarmed post 90s

In case you missed the kernel of truth for my obvious joke:

Lord Ismay, the first Secretary General of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), reportedly observed that the purpose of the Alliance was to keep the Americans in Europe, the Russians out, and the Germans down.

[Kaleredar]

In case you missed the kernel of truth for my obvious joke:

Lord Ismay, the first Secretary General of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), reportedly observed that the purpose of the Alliance was to keep the Americans in Europe, the Russians out, and the Germans down.

Sadly trump threw out that notion in the course of like two months.

Though I’ll gladly take Germany over Russia in that equation, here.

[Pannonian]

Honestly, i dont fear germany that much. This is not 1914 germany, or 1933 germany. Not that they're immune against fascism - the AfD is on the rise, but germany has been there and they adapted their constitution to make it much harder (a prime example would be the powers of the president, which were severely limited after WW2), and a very strong judiciary. Also its a very different geopolitical situation. In the past germany has armed against france and/or britain. Now they are arming together.

And lets be honest, if us europeans want to secure ourselves against foreign aggressors in the future, the industrial potential of germany is very welcome.

[Corvus]

This is just pootie laughing at Trump and showing how impotent he is. A 30 day halt in targeting energy infrastructure with long range missiles? No mention was made of drones, which make most of the attacks, or other civilian targets.

And demanding a complete end to all military and intelligence aid to Ukraine shows he has no intention of a ceasefire or peace. He just wants his victim not to be able to fight back.

[KrayZ33]

Wasn't the whole point of NATO to avoid germany rearming?

I understand you are just trying to make a joke here, but what the heck, why the hell would you think that?

[Wilian]

In case you missed the kernel of truth for my obvious joke:

Lord Ismay, the first Secretary General of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), reportedly observed that the purpose of the Alliance was to keep the Americans in Europe, the Russians out, and the Germans down.

We live in such a world jokes like these are stated as facts v.v

[Elenos]

The ceasefire on targeting energy infrastructure, which might also then be expanded to affect naval targets, is something that Ukraine and Russia were considering last year.

The negotiations ended then after the Kursk offensive.

Regarding European defense spending, or rather spending in general. What happened in Germany is hopefully one of many steps that will hopefully be taken to move past the austerity policies in Europe, which have ruined us too many years. The 500 billion fund for infrastructure is something that should have happened years ago.

Still there's a lot more that needs to be done.

[PhaelixWW]

Honestly, i dont fear germany that much. This is not 1914 germany, or 1933 germany.

It's not 1914 or 1933 Europe, either. A modern-day Hitler would find it much more difficult to advance against Germany's neighbors this time around.

[Poopymonster]

It's not 1914 or 1933 Europe, either. A modern-day Hitler would find it much more difficult to advance against Germany's neighbors this time around.

He's currently trying to pull everything out of Europe as we speak.

[Corvus]

And completely predictably, no sooner had pootie agreed to the energy infrastructure ceasefire, which Trump claimed was to take place immediately, than russia launched heavy drone strikes all over Ukraine against civilian targets. There was a direct hit on a hospital in Sumy and blackouts in Slovyansk, so some energy infrastructure was hit.

That bootie agreed to the ceasefire against those targets does show that Ukraine's targeting of their oil facilities was hurting them, and with winter ending, their targeting of Ukraine's power had failed again.

[PhaelixWW]

He's currently trying to pull everything out of Europe as we speak.

Sorry, I should have been more clear: a modern-day Hitler as leader of Germany.

Mea culpa.

[Elenos]

And completely predictably, no sooner had pootie agreed to the energy infrastructure ceasefire

Agreeing to a ceasefire isn't the same as said ceasefire being implemented right then and there.

[Corvus]

Agreeing to a ceasefire isn't the same as said ceasefire being implemented right then and there.

Trump claimed it took effect immediately.

[Elenos]

Trump claimed it took effect immediately.

Trump can claim Bugs Bunny is on the Moon for all I care. Ukraine first needs to agree to it before it ever take effect, second ceasefires have a start point.

So probably by the end of the week.

[Gabriel]

And again people are discussing a ceasefire as if it means anything when we are dealing with Russia...

[gondrin]

Wasn't the whole point of NATO to avoid germany rearming?

Oh well... time to brush up on my german for the inevtiable Anschluss...

NATO was because of, as you said, to prevent German aggression but honestly, it is more about Russia and their nonsense and has been for a LONG time.

[Kaleredar]

And again people are discussing a ceasefire as if it means anything when we are dealing with Russia...

…And when Ukraine appears to be completely out of the loop on it.

“Russia and US discuss Ukraine’s ceasefire” is utter inanity. Zelensky luckily seems clued in enough to know that anything trump “negotiated” is pure pro-Russian bullshit.