Russian invasion of Ukraine

[PhaelixWW]

I still worry that Trump will get NATO to purchase arms for Ukraine only for the shipments to “disappear” and show up in Russia to help them.

This is one of those conspiracy theories that's almost impossible to credit. There would be soooooooooo many people who would have to be involved to make something like this happen that there's effectively zero chance of it happening without someone coming forward with proof.

And if NATO is involved, very few of those people would even be under the direct auspices of Trump in the first place.

[Fugus]

This is one of those conspiracy theories that's almost impossible to credit. There would be soooooooooo many people who would have to be involved to make something like this happen that there's effectively zero chance of it happening without someone coming forward with proof.

And if NATO is involved, very few of those people would even be under the direct auspices of Trump in the first place.

I don’t think they could keep it silent at all. They would likely lie at every step as transparently as possible. But could see them get the money and then send it there while claiming they weren’t while effectively doing that Dr. Evil finger to the mouth thing effectively saying “What are you going to do about it?”

[Kaleredar]

I don’t think they could keep it silent at all. They would likely lie at every step as transparently as possible. But could see them get the money and then send it there while claiming they weren’t while effectively doing that Dr. Evil finger to the mouth thing effectively saying “What are you going to do about it?”

You’re ascribing far too much competence and pre-planning here.

Trump isn’t faking being angry at Putin. He is angry at Putin. He thought he and Putin were best pals because Putin probably said nice words about him and Trump thinks they’re in the same big boys dictator club together. But when Trump tells Putin to stop attacking Ukraine because Trump wants to be seen as a peacemaker and get a Nobel prize to outshine Obama, and Putin doesn’t listen because… he doesn’t care about trump, wants Ukraine, and only ever supported Trump because he knows Trump is bad and destabilizing for the US and US hegemony?

Trump is going to turn on him because he’s a petty, vengeful man. Squaring off against another petty, vengeful man. Will it last? Who knows, Putin knows how to cajole Trump because even though they’re both petty tinpot dictators I will give Putin the slightest of compliments by asserting that he’s definitely smarter than Trump.

[Fugus]

I wasn’t thinking along the lines of competence but more brazen gall. Similar to how Hegseth decided to cut aid to Ukraine.

Whether he had Trumps blessing or not. He did it and the public didn’t know till it was done. Something similar here.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump was pissed at Putin but all Putin has to do is praise him and that’s all it takes. Just remember him on North Korea from threatening fire and brimstone to talking about how they fell in love.

[alach]

Off-topic, but did all the opposition members on the sub vanish? Did we win? Did they learn the errors of their ways? Have they disappeared for a moment of quiet self-reflection? Did they run out of reasons for cheering for the wrong team? There is only so many ways one can defend a genocidal regime or child molesters. Seriously, are they all gone?

On topic I guess, 2 more days till TACO deadline.

[Kaleredar]

Off-topic, but did all the opposition members on the sub vanish? Did we win? Did they learn the errors of their ways? Have they disappeared for a moment of quiet self-reflection? Did they run out of reasons for cheering for the wrong team? There is only so many ways one can defend a genocidal regime or child molesters. Seriously, are they all gone?

On topic I guess, 2 more days till TACO deadline.

They ran out of things to drive by shit-post about to tout as “wins.”

Roneth is in the Texas ratfucking thread feebly claiming “but da dems…” but that’s really a sort of last gasp.

[Corvus]

In an effort to continue to play Trump and delay any truce, russia has reportedly offered an air truce, but only fir missiles and kamikaze drones. Glide bombs were specifically excluded.

You can see what they are doing there - they rely heavily on glide bombs, and while their missiles and drones predominantly hit civilian targets, Ukrainian ones go after refineries, factories and other infrastructure supporting the war effort.

Very cynical but no doubt Trump will be duped if it is genuine.

[Vampiregenesis]

All evidence shows that Russians have lost hundreds of thousands soldiers https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1933444599768301874 - yet they keep pushing, they try to open a new front on Kherson now - https://x.com/machiavelli_gr/status/1952789422052610418 - It's beyond me how they can do that after so many casualties and even trigger Europe response with the new re-arm programs.

I guess the rest of Europe is made of paper? Well, Ukraine can resist, it's a huge country that prepared for years for war and it receives a lot of aid/mercenaries/intelligence but what happens next? can the next country in line stop a Russian army that is now in much better shape than the one 3 years ago even if they lost hundreds of thousands? They are now fully adjusted to sanctions and trained for the modern conditions of war. (drone warfare)

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especially when you have Ben-Gvir (who I believe is personally responsible for Oct 7th and almost everything after)

What? do you mean Israel allowed or even ordered Hamas to do what it did?

I thought you were anti-conspiracy and didn't doubt the world order.

[alach]

What? do you mean Israel allowed or even ordered Hamas to do what it did?

I thought you were anti-conspiracy and didn't doubt the world order.

What a strange statement.
Listen, I know English isn't your first language, so I will break it down for you. What I said was....

when you have Ben-Gvir (who I believe is personally responsible for Oct 7th and almost everything after) doing everything he can to antagonize everyone except the extreme right

... Which in no way was is a conspiracy. If you have watched any news of this guy you will learn he has done everything possible to provoke the Arab world. You can read about it here.
Jerusalem: Palestinian anger over far-right Israeli minister's holy site visit
Just nine months before October 7th. This is a person who has openly expressed his desire to be rid of the Palenstinians throughout his career and only became a force in Israeli government as a deal to help keep Netanyahu in power. It became Israel's most extreme right-wing government in decades. None of this is conspiracy, its history.

[Joszef Kiprich]

All evidence shows that Russians have lost hundreds of thousands soldiers https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1933444599768301874 - yet they keep pushing, they try to open a new front on Kherson now - https://x.com/machiavelli_gr/status/1952789422052610418 - It's beyond me how they can do that after so many casualties and even trigger Europe response with the new re-arm programs.

I guess the rest of Europe is made of paper? Well, Ukraine can resist, it's a huge country that prepared for years for war and it receives a lot of aid/mercenaries/intelligence but what happens next? can the next country in line stop a Russian army that is now in much better shape than the one 3 years ago even if they lost hundreds of thousands? They are now fully adjusted to sanctions and trained for the modern conditions of war. (drone warfare)

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What? do you mean Israel allowed or even ordered Hamas to do what it did?

I thought you were anti-conspiracy and didn't doubt the world order.

What kind of unhinged rambling is this?

[PhaelixWW]

I guess the rest of Europe is made of paper? Well, Ukraine can resist, it's a huge country that prepared for years for war and it receives a lot of aid/mercenaries/intelligence but what happens next? can the next country in line stop a Russian army that is now in much better shape than the one 3 years ago even if they lost hundreds of thousands?

First, the rest of Europe that borders Russian (or Russian proxy) land is in NATO, so... Putin would get fucked.

Second, how in the hell can you consider the Russian army to be "in much better shape" now? They've long since lost any actual quality soldiers to the meatgrinder and their levels of all war materiel are at drastically lower levels than before the "special operation" in Ukraine.

And all that for the very limited gains that they've made in 3.5 years to date since the full invasion.

[Wilian]

US-Russian talks have concluded. I reckon in few hours we'll learn what sweet things Putin has mandated to say about Trump and how Trump falls back in Russian line.

[alach]

US-Russian talks have concluded. I reckon in few hours we'll learn what sweet things Putin has mandated to say about Trump and how Trump falls back in Russian line.

Witkoff's as useful as tits on a bull. Zelensky talked with trump yesterday by phone. I'm going to put my faith in that call.

[Wilian]

Witkoff's as useful as tits on a bull. Zelensky talked with trump yesterday by phone. I'm going to put my faith in that call.

Alas I have zero faith in Trump

[Gorsameth]

Witkoff's as useful as tits on a bull. Zelensky talked with trump yesterday by phone. I'm going to put my faith in that call.

Trump listens to whoever talked to him last.
If someone pro-Russia talked sweet things into his ear today he can be entirely pro Russian

[Edge-]

It's beyond me how they can do that after so many casualties and even trigger Europe response with the new re-arm programs.

We know, because you've been refusing to read, or process, what you've been told repeatedly throughout this thread over the years.

I fear you'll be left in a world of confusion.

I guess the rest of Europe is made of paper? Well, Ukraine can resist, it's a huge country that prepared for years for war and it receives a lot of aid/mercenaries/intelligence but what happens next?

Would you like to see Europe, including Greece, get directly involved?

Ukraine isn't a huge country, though, so weird claim.

can the next country in line stop a Russian army that is now in much better shape than the one 3 years ago even if they lost hundreds of thousands? They are now fully adjusted to sanctions and trained for the modern conditions of war. (drone warfare)

better shape? despite losing hundreds of thousands, dozens of ships/planes etc.?

really, who is your supplier and what drugs are they giving you? i would like some, they seem wild

[Mayhem]

really, who is your supplier and what drugs are they giving you? i would like some, they seem wild

It's probably krokodil, no you don't, and don't google it, just don't.

[alach]

Trump listens to whoever talked to him last.
If someone pro-Russia talked sweet things into his ear today he can be entirely pro Russian

I'm aware.
Which it was nice to read just this moment that trump is on the phone with Zelensky again, right now.

I think Zelensky has learned how to handle trump lately. He had some quote saying "I think I annoy him less than putin." Maybe they can share being on TV stories together.

[Timester]

All evidence shows that Russians have lost hundreds of thousands soldiers https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1933444599768301874 - yet they keep pushing, they try to open a new front on Kherson now - https://x.com/machiavelli_gr/status/1952789422052610418 - It's beyond me how they can do that after so many casualties and even trigger Europe response with the new re-arm programs.

I guess the rest of Europe is made of paper? Well, Ukraine can resist, it's a huge country that prepared for years for war and it receives a lot of aid/mercenaries/intelligence but what happens next? can the next country in line stop a Russian army that is now in much better shape than the one 3 years ago even if they lost hundreds of thousands? They are now fully adjusted to sanctions and trained for the modern conditions of war. (drone warfare)

You strangely act like an obsessed ex boy/girlfriend of a crappy person that doesn't care shit about you.

Russia is not your ex, nor you need to paint it like something that is not.

[Vampiregenesis]

Would you like to see Europe, including Greece, get directly involved?

It doesn't matter, we won't make any difference at all, we are not the Greece of ww1/ww2, back then the morale was high, now it's different, it's not even a country anymore. In the village that I live, a huge amount of property has been bought by Germans, it will soon be Germany. My neighbors (right next to my house) speak German. I hear them everyday. It's like the Frankish Greece, now they don't come as crusaders but as tourists, the result is the same, we still serve them. We can't afford to go to the same places as them, there are tourist only restaurants/hotels now. None here is going to fight for Europe or even for his/her own country. We don't care anymore. We are just space. We have a strong army in paper but only there.

Ukraine is different, it's a big country with people that have been cultivated in a nationalist environment, the nationalist/anti-Russian element in Ukraine is huge, Ukrainians believe that the Russians are the absolute devil (see holodomor). Ukraine has a military culture overall and the people there can endure hardship because they have a history of being poor. Do you think the other westerners have the same willpower/morale to go in the trenches and die a pointless death when they have grown in a woke/anti-military environment enjoying a high quality of life? I doubt it, it's not only about military capabilities but also psychology.

Not many will go in the battlefield and sacrifice themselves the way Ukrainians do. The modern battlefield is terrifying with drones flying around and extreme amounts of fire power. Psychology is HUGE factor here. I believe if Ukraine lose, some of the rest countries will fall fast. NATO means USA intervention, it won't happen with Trump, not even the US want to face the Russians.

I can actually see Germans doing something, they have also grown in a liberal/woke society with huge wages etc but they have a history of being disciplined and follow orders, so maybe if they still have this element, I can actually see a German going in the trenches and die if he is told to do it.