Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Sezerek]

It doesn't matter, we won't make any difference at all, we are not the Greece of ww1/ww2, back then the morale was high, now it's different, it's not even a country anymore. In the village that I live, a huge amount of property has been bought by Germans, it will soon be Germany. My neighbors (right next to my house) speak German. I hear them everyday. It's like the Frankish Greece, now they don't come as crusaders but as tourists, the result is the same, we still serve them. We can't afford to go to the same places as them, there are tourist only restaurants/hotels now. None here is going to fight for Europe or even for his/her own country. We don't care anymore. We are just space. We have a strong army in paper but only there.

Ukraine is different, it's a big country with people that have been cultivated in a nationalist environment, the nationalist/anti-Russian element in Ukraine is huge, Ukrainians believe that the Russians are the absolute devil (see holodomor). Ukraine has a military culture overall and the people there can endure hardship because they have a history of being poor. Do you think the other westerners have the same willpower/morale to go in the trenches and die a pointless death when they have grown in a woke/anti-military environment enjoying a high quality of life? I doubt it, it's not only about military capabilities but also psychology.

Not many will go in the battlefield and sacrifice themselves the way Ukrainians do. The modern battlefield is terrifying with drones flying around and extreme amounts of fire power. Psychology is HUGE factor here. I believe if Ukraine lose, some of the rest countries will fall fast. NATO means USA intervention, it won't happen with Trump, not even the US want to face the Russians.

I can actually see Germans doing something, they have also grown in a liberal/woke society with huge wages etc but they have a history of being disciplined and follow orders, so maybe if they still have this element, I can actually see a German going in the trenches and die if he is told to do it.

It is incredible how a single person can spew so much shit in a single sitting.

[alach]

It doesn't matter, we won't make any difference at all, we are not the Greece of ww1/ww2, back then the morale was high, now it's different, it's not even a country anymore. In the village that I live, a huge amount of property has been bought by Germans, it will soon be Germany. My neighbors (right next to my house) speak German. I hear them everyday. It's like the Frankish Greece, now they don't come as crusaders but as tourists, the result is the same, we still serve them. We can't afford to go to the same places as them, there are tourist only restaurants/hotels now. None here is going to fight for Europe or even for his/her own country. We don't care anymore. We are just space. We have a strong army in paper but only there.

Ukraine is different, it's a big country with people that have been cultivated in a nationalist environment, the nationalist/anti-Russian element in Ukraine is huge, Ukrainians believe that the Russians are the absolute devil (see holodomor). Ukraine has a military culture overall and the people there can endure hardship because they have a history of being poor. Do you think the other westerners have the same willpower/morale to go in the trenches and die a pointless death when they have grown in a woke/anti-military environment enjoying a high quality of life? I doubt it, it's not only about military capabilities but also psychology.

Not many will go in the battlefield and sacrifice themselves the way Ukrainians do. The modern battlefield is terrifying with drones flying around and extreme amounts of fire power. Psychology is HUGE factor here. I believe if Ukraine lose, some of the rest countries will fall fast. NATO means USA intervention, it won't happen with Trump, not even the US want to face the Russians.

I can actually see Germans doing something, they have also grown in a liberal/woke society with huge wages etc but they have a history of being disciplined and follow orders, so maybe if they still have this element, I can actually see a German going in the trenches and die if he is told to do it.

Okie dokie. I tried. I'm done.
Have a blast with this one @everyone.

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It doesn't matter, we won't make any difference at all, we are not the Greece of ww1/ww2, back then the morale was high, now it's different, it's not even a country anymore.

lmao you listen to too much donald trump, dude

In the village that I live, a huge amount of property has been bought by Germans, it will soon be Germany.

that's not how nations work, you simply live in what is becoming an immigrant neighborhood

My neighbors (right next to my house) speak German. I hear them everyday.

ok...and?

i have neighbors that speak different languages at home as well, their native languages their comfortable in. i also have plenty of folks in my local, mostly white community that are immigrants and speak their various languages out and about. i hear all kinds of eastern european, western european, and asian languages spoken at my tiny local farmers market.

It's like the Frankish Greece, now they don't come as crusaders but as tourists, the result is the same, we still serve them.

you're getting severely off-topic for this thread, but maybe y'all should look at what spain is doing, then?

Ukraine is different, it's a big country with people that have been cultivated in a nationalist environment, the nationalist/anti-Russian element in Ukraine is huge, Ukrainians believe that the Russians are the absolute devil (see holodomor). Ukraine has a military culture overall and the people there can endure hardship because they have a history of being poor. Do you think the other westerners have the same willpower/morale to go in the trenches and die a pointless death when they have grown in a woke/anti-military environment enjoying a high quality of life? I doubt it, it's not only about military capabilities but also psychology.

let's break this down a bit -

ukraine is still not a "big" country, especially not in comparison to russia

they have a "nationalist" environment because they've been under active invasion for a decade, and much more active invasion for the past 3 years. easy to generate a lot of national fervor when the enemy is literally attacking you

see russia as "absolute devil"? i mean, have you missed all the war crimes and evidence of rape/torture and mass civilian graves? the kidnapping of children for indoctronation? yeah, that's a fair and accurate portrayal based on the behavior of the russian military/government's behavior

miss me with the glorification of the poor, i thought y'all were poor in greece so where's that same spirit/energy?

then you go on to complain about some "woke" shit and my dude what

Not many will go in the battlefield and sacrifice themselves the way Ukrainians do. The modern battlefield is terrifying with drones flying around and extreme amounts of fire power. Psychology is HUGE factor here. I believe if Ukraine lose, some of the rest countries will fall fast. NATO means USA intervention, it won't happen with Trump, not even the US want to face the Russians.

why on earth do you think we're talking about mass troop movements? air strikes, missile strikes, additional armor and artillery etc. are all significant contributions that don't risk masses of ground forces

the continued failure of imagination, intentional or not, is unfortunate.

I can actually see Germans doing something, they have also grown in a liberal/woke society with huge wages etc but they have a history of being disciplined and follow orders, so maybe if they still have this element, I can actually see a German going in the trenches and die if he is told to do it.

lmao what the fuck does woke even mean

[Belize]

It is incredible how a single person can spew so much shit in a single sitting.

What austerity measures do to a guy

[Timester]

It doesn't matter, we won't make any difference at all, we are not the Greece of ww1/ww2, back then the morale was high, now it's different, it's not even a country anymore. In the village that I live, a huge amount of property has been bought by Germans, it will soon be Germany. My neighbors (right next to my house) speak German. I hear them everyday. It's like the Frankish Greece, now they don't come as crusaders but as tourists, the result is the same, we still serve them. We can't afford to go to the same places as them, there are tourist only restaurants/hotels now. None here is going to fight for Europe or even for his/her own country. We don't care anymore. We are just space. We have a strong army in paper but only there.

Ukraine is different, it's a big country with people that have been cultivated in a nationalist environment, the nationalist/anti-Russian element in Ukraine is huge, Ukrainians believe that the Russians are the absolute devil (see holodomor). Ukraine has a military culture overall and the people there can endure hardship because they have a history of being poor. Do you think the other westerners have the same willpower/morale to go in the trenches and die a pointless death when they have grown in a woke/anti-military environment enjoying a high quality of life? I doubt it, it's not only about military capabilities but also psychology.

Not many will go in the battlefield and sacrifice themselves the way Ukrainians do. The modern battlefield is terrifying with drones flying around and extreme amounts of fire power. Psychology is HUGE factor here. I believe if Ukraine lose, some of the rest countries will fall fast. NATO means USA intervention, it won't happen with Trump, not even the US want to face the Russians.

I can actually see Germans doing something, they have also grown in a liberal/woke society with huge wages etc but they have a history of being disciplined and follow orders, so maybe if they still have this element, I can actually see a German going in the trenches and die if he is told to do it.

You hate Germans, we got it.

How does that even translate to the bullshit you invent about the Russian-Ukraine war?

[Vampiregenesis]

lmao you listen to too much donald trump, dude



that's not how nations work, you simply live in what is becoming an immigrant neighborhood



ok...and?

i have neighbors that speak different languages at home as well, their native languages their comfortable in. i also have plenty of folks in my local, mostly white community that are immigrants and speak their various languages out and about. i hear all kinds of eastern european, western european, and asian languages spoken at my tiny local farmers market.



you're getting severely off-topic for this thread, but maybe y'all should look at what spain is doing, then?



let's break this down a bit -

ukraine is still not a "big" country, especially not in comparison to russia

they have a "nationalist" environment because they've been under active invasion for a decade, and much more active invasion for the past 3 years. easy to generate a lot of national fervor when the enemy is literally attacking you

see russia as "absolute devil"? i mean, have you missed all the war crimes and evidence of rape/torture and mass civilian graves? the kidnapping of children for indoctronation? yeah, that's a fair and accurate portrayal based on the behavior of the russian military/government's behavior

miss me with the glorification of the poor, i thought y'all were poor in greece so where's that same spirit/energy?

then you go on to complain about some "woke" shit and my dude what



why on earth do you think we're talking about mass troop movements? air strikes, missile strikes, additional armor and artillery etc. are all significant contributions that don't risk masses of ground forces

the continued failure of imagination, intentional or not, is unfortunate.



lmao what the fuck does woke even mean

You are an American, that's not how Europe works, most countries within Europe are based on common ethnicity. America is multicultural and was built on immigrants. So, having foreigners take over your country is a serious thing in Europe because it threatens the ethnicity. Since we are not truly united here in Europe, this type of movement also threatens the purchasing power of the locals, they can't rent houses, they can't go vacation to islands and so on. Many of us wonder for how long this will persist. If there is any type of resistance here, it will be this first.

Let's see how the Russian war goes, Russia produce more equipment than all of Europe combined (it is stated by many European Leaders) and enlist more men, they can certainly take out a few more countries if they end up winning in Ukraine. Of course they risk NATO response but I don't think they fear it at this point. Let's see what the baltics do when hundreds of thousands of men who have served in the battlefield for years therefore are "war-ready" show up in the border.

[Timester]

You are an American, that's not how Europe works, most countries within Europe are based on common ethnicity. America is multicultural and was built on immigrants. So, having foreigners take over your country is a serious thing in Europe because it threatens the ethnicity. Since we are not truly united here in Europe, this type of movement also threatens the purchasing power of the locals, they can't rent houses, they can't go vacation to islands and so on. Many of us wonder for how long this will persist. If there is any type of resistance here, it will be this first.

Let's see how the Russian war goes, Russia produce more equipment than all of Europe combined (it is stated by many European Leaders) and enlist more men, they can certainly take out a few more countries if they end up winning in Ukraine. Of course they risk NATO response but I don't think they fear it at this point.

Dude, your country is younger than the USA. What are you babbling about? You hate Germans, we already got it.

And before you even say anything, I'm Portuguese.

Let's see how the Russian war goes, Russia produce more equipment than all of Europe combined (it is stated by many European Leaders) and enlist more men, they can certainly take out a few more countries if they end up winning in Ukraine. Of course they risk NATO response but I don't think they fear it at this point. Let's see what the baltics do when hundreds of thousands of men who have served in the battlefield for 3 years therefore are "war-ready" show up in the border.

You keep ignore the fact that THEY ARE ON A 3 AND HALF YEARS STALEMATE against Ukraine, a nation that was disarmed before the war.

Stop giving head to Russia. We know you want Germany to lose.

[Kaleredar]

You are an American, that's not how Europe works, most countries within Europe are based on common ethnicity. America is multicultural and was built on immigrants. So, having foreigners take over your country is a serious thing in Europe because it threatens the ethnicity. Since we are not truly united here in Europe, this type of movement also threatens the purchasing power of the locals, they can't rent houses, they can't go vacation to islands and so on. Many of us wonder for how long this will persist. If there is any type of resistance here, it will be this first.

Let's see how the Russian war goes, Russia produce more equipment than all of Europe combined (it is stated by many European Leaders) and enlist more men, they can certainly take out a few more countries if they end up winning in Ukraine. Of course they risk NATO response but I don't think they fear it at this point. Let's see what the baltics do when hundreds of thousands of men who have served in the battlefield for 3 years therefore are "war-ready" show up in the border.

Someone from the Mediterranean going on about the “violation” of the supposed ethnic purity of their country is absolutely wild.

[Timester]

Someone from the Mediterranean going on about the “violation” of the supposed ethnic purity of their country is absolutely wild.

Vampiregenesis is pure Spartan ancestry, all the way to the 300.

[Vampiregenesis]

Dude, your country is younger than the USA. What are you babbling about? You hate Germans, we already got it.

And before you even say anything, I'm Portuguese.



You keep ignore the fact that THEY ARE ON A 3 AND HALF YEARS STALEMATE against Ukraine, a nation that was disarmed before the war.

Stop giving head to Russia. We know you want Germany to lose.

The state is young but the nation is 4000 years old. In Europe it's the nation that matters. I don't know anything about the history of your country though so I don't understand your view.

I don't really hate the Germans, it's not their fault, in the end, Greeks are migrating en masse to Germany too, I hate those more than I hate the Germans themselves. It's not Germany's fault that the people here decided to take this path. I belong to a small minority of anti-European Greeks, however the above problems are expressed by most in the state, although the majority is not anti-European.

They are not in a stalemate, the Russians keep getting ground and they are facing a country that has the support of the entire West while themselves are sanctioned by it, Ukraine receives intelligence, training, equipment, mercenaries etc. Let's not pretend this is a one on one. Ukraine is the west's proxy, they offer the meat and receive everything else.

At this state the Russians will be at kramatorsk in few months. People underestimate Ukraine, Ukraine is a very tough player and built this up for years, this is not the case with the other countries. See Germans on ww2, they took France very fast while failing miserably against Soviet Union, France was one of the best equipped states in ww2, yet they lost so fast, war is weird, you can't apply logic the way you do in this. If Ukraine falls, some of the other countries will be eaten alive much faster, they don't have the will and build up for this, the west will be less willing to support them after watching Ukraine falling.

[Kaleredar]

Vampiregenesis is pure Spartan ancestry, all the way to the 300.

They managed to duck any of that uncouth, tainted Muslim blood from when Greece was ruled by the Ottoman Empire for… *checks notes* …400 years.

[Timester]

The state is young but the nation is 4000 years old. In Europe it's the nation that matters. I don't know anything about the history of your country though so I don't understand your view.

Greece is a young nation (no, there was no Greek nation in ancient history) built upon countless generations of different ethinical tribes and colonizers, perhaps one of the most ethnical mixed nation in the world.

You really need to study more about your own nation before going with nationalistic anti-germany tirades.

[Vampiregenesis]

Someone from the Mediterranean going on about the “violation” of the supposed ethnic purity of their country is absolutely wild.

Not sure what you mean by "ethnic purity" and how this relates to Mediterranean people. Almost all the countries of Mediterranean are ethnically homogenous, this of course change fast with the influx of north africa muslims.

[Timester]

They managed to duck any of that uncouth, tainted Muslim blood from when Greece was ruled by the Ottoman Empire for… *checks notes* …400 years.

Yep. Muslim, Macedonian, Roman, Gothic, Hun, Bulgar, Slav, Italian... I could stay here all day.

[Kaleredar]

Not sure what you mean by "ethnic purity" and how this relates to Mediterranean people. Almost all the countries of Mediterranean are ethnically homogenous, this of course change fast with the influx of north africa muslims.

They should feel right at home in Greece, seeing as the ottomans controlled it for the better part of four centuries.

[Timester]

Not sure what you mean by "ethnic purity" and how this relates to Mediterranean people. Almost all the countries of Mediterranean are ethnically homogenous, this of course change fast with the influx of north africa muslims.

Oh, for the love of... Go back to primary school and relearn History, please.

Mediterranean countries are the LESS ethinically homogenous because of their millenia history of seafaring and invasions and empire building.

[Vampiregenesis]

Greece is a young nation (no, there was no Greek nation in ancient history) built upon countless generations of different ethinical tribes and colonizers, perhaps one of the most ethnical mixed nation in the world.

You really need to study more about your own nation before going with nationalistic anti-germany tirades.

There was obviously a Greek nation in ancient history, the Greek city states called themselves "Hellenes" and understood very well that they are part of the same ethnicity (not state with borders). Our language is a continuation of our ancient language so we didn't lose that and our blood is still linked to our ancestors as many modern dna researches have proven. There were invaders so modern Greeks have some influx of them in their genes but the amount it's very low and Greeks are mostly linked to their ancestors. The invaders who stayed here were few and even fewer had offsprings with natives. The Ottomans almost had no presence in Greece, they were very few, Greece was unimportant to them compared to Anatolia who underwent turkification. Most Turks in Greece were actually converted Greeks but these ones were expelled later on. Only slavs had some notable presence in Greece due to medieval migrations so there is some slavic influx in some Greeks but still unimportant.

I don't think people know the history of my country. Btw, ethnicity is not about genes/blood but the other stuff, language/nationality/culture and so on, no country is homogenous purely by blood. Ethnically the mediteranean IS homogenous.

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Yep. Muslim, Macedonian, Roman, Gothic, Hun, Bulgar, Slav, Italian... I could stay here all day.

Macedonians were Greeks and Romans were very close relatives, like cousins. Muslims were mostly converts, no serious presence in Greece and they were all expelled. Slavs are probably the only ones in the list that had "some" effect to the native makeup. Greeks are still largely homogenous by genes too, it doesn't matter though, when I say ethnicity I don't mean blood/genes, I mean the other stuff.

[Mayhem]

There was obviously a Greek nation in ancient history, the Greek city states called themselves "Hellenes" and understood very well that they are part of the same ethnicity (not state with borders). Our language is a continuation of our ancient language so we didn't lose that and our blood is still linked to our ancestors as many modern dna researches have proven. There were invaders so modern Greeks have some influx of them in their genes but the amount it's very low and Greeks are mostly linked to their ancestors. The invaders who stayed here were few and even fewer had offsprings with natives. The Ottomans almost had no presence in Greece, they were very few, Greece was unimportant to them compared to Anatolia who underwent turkification. Most Turks in Greece were actually converted Greeks but these ones were expelled later on. Only slavs had some notable presence in Greece due to medieval migrations so there is some slavic influx in some Greeks but still unimportant.

Explains how their blood and genes show the relation to their ancient ancestors to prove how homogenous Greece is.

I don't think people know the history of my country. Btw, ethnicity is not about genes/blood but the other stuff, language/nationality/culture and so on, no country is homogenous purely by blood. Ethnically the mediteranean IS homogenous.

Follows up with blood and genes don't show how homogenous a country is.

/chefskiss

[Vampiregenesis]

Explains how their blood and genes show the relation to their ancient ancestors to prove how homogenous Greece is.



Follows up with blood and genes don't show how homogenous a country is.

/chefskiss

Well, the American showed up and said that because we are Mediterranean (south European is more accurate), we are not homogenous since we mixed with a lot of other cultures, for him, ethnicity means race and skin colour, that's how this is defined in the US, he is incorrect in both, the Greeks moved a lot but that didn't affect much those who stayed behind and the invaders/migrants although they left their mark, they didn't delete the Greek genes of the natives, nor had any significant impact to the native make up although sure their influx can be found on it. He is wrong twice because ethnicity is not about blood and genes. Yes the Greeks have mixed with others so they are not 100% identical to their ancestors just like all the people of this world. Ethnicities were never based on blood and genes because that's not possible. We have white nationalists in Greece too, guess what, those would never whine about Germans taking over their village, in fact they would promote it.

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So, having foreigners take over your country is a serious thing in Europe because it threatens the ethnicity.

lmao this is just nativist bullshit detached from reality.

Since we are not truly united here in Europe

the irony of the guy who can't stop shit-talking the rest of europe writing this

this type of movement also threatens the purchasing power of the locals, they can't rent houses, they can't go vacation to islands and so on. Many of us wonder for how long this will persist. If there is any type of resistance here, it will be this first.

again, wrong thread to cry about domestic issues and again, look at what spaniards are doing to the tourists in barcelona and shit.

Let's see how the Russian war goes, Russia produce more equipment than all of Europe combined (it is stated by many European Leaders) and enlist more men, they can certainly take out a few more countries if they end up winning in Ukraine.

again, in what reality do you think russia, having burned through hundreds of thousands of soldiers and a fair amount of modern equipment already, is ready to take on the broader EU, which would include NATO? remember, they now have multiple NATO members on their border as a result of their attempt to take over Ukraine and prevent them from joining NATO (which isn't working super well)

Of course they risk NATO response but I don't think they fear it at this point.

Because the last three years of their three day special operation have gone so swimmingly?

like, this is so divorced from reality that, and this is not medical advice, i think you should probably speak with some kinda professional. i say this as a fellow human

Let's see what the baltics do when hundreds of thousands of men who have served in the battlefield for years therefore are "war-ready" show up in the border.

war weariness isn't a thing! soldiers can just fight forever!

the secret russian super soldiers have been in reserve all this time! or something, i dunno how you work this out in your head