Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Edge-]

A reality is that through history very few political leaders did that even those we remember as greats. You know what's the greatest irony about Trump? He's basically following Obama's late 2014 foreign policy objectives: The style and the things he's doing are vastly different but the goals are literally the same: Reduce US involvement in Europe, push them to do more on their own defense and autonomy, contain the Middle East and pivot towards Asia.

The US has been doing this for over a decade and a half now. How it's been these are different but the end goal is the same.

i don't think the end goal is the same at all but ok.

[Mayhem]

A reality is that through history very few political leaders did that even those we remember as greats. You know what's the greatest irony about Trump? He's basically following Obama's late 2014 foreign policy objectives: The style and the things he's doing are vastly different but the goals are literally the same: Reduce US involvement in Europe, push them to do more on their own defense and autonomy, contain the Middle East and pivot towards Asia.

We're slowly getting off-topic, but can you name examples of Obama pushing Europe to do more on their own defense and autonomy?

[Kaleredar]

A reality is that through history very few political leaders did that even those we remember as greats. You know what's the greatest irony about Trump? He's basically following Obama's late 2014 foreign policy objectives: The style and the things he's doing are vastly different but the goals are literally the same: Reduce US involvement in Europe, push them to do more on their own defense and autonomy, contain the Middle East and pivot towards Asia.

The US has been doing this for over a decade and a half now. How it's been these are different but the end goal is the same.

Trump’s goal is to make money.

And if he were “shifting concerns towards Asia” he wouldn’t be abandoning us hegemony to China and driving away American allies in the region like Japan and South Korea.

[Milchshake]

Weird how they went from concern trolling every Biden move for four years, then suddenly shifting to "Mistah Trump" is totally acting in good faith.


I mean the Trump admin is diverting assets <away> from INDOPACOM towards Yemen and his other projects in the Middle East. Most english speakers would see this as the opposite as a "piVOt tO AsIA".

[Dontrike]

wait so donald is holding "peace talks" with putin in alaska...but zelensky isn't coming? don't you like, need to have both parties to discuss peace?

or is this just cover for an in-person meeting without any american translators, again?

It's an employee review and Putin has to laugh at Trump for the 50 days...wait, 10 days, and how it meant utterly nothing.

[postman1782]

wait so donald is holding "peace talks" with putin in alaska...but zelensky isn't coming? don't you like, need to have both parties to discuss peace?

or is this just cover for an in-person meeting without any american translators, again?

He did this with Afghanistan, which is why the pullout was shit.

[DarkTZeratul]

He did this with Afghanistan, which is why the pullout was shit.

The big difference is that the US was a party to the conflict in Afghanistan. They aren't part of the conflict in Ukraine, so instead of a shit pullout this exercise is just a big pointless circle jerk between Trump and Putin.

[postman1782]

The big difference is that the US was a party to the conflict in Afghanistan. They aren't part of the conflict in Ukraine, so instead of a shit pullout this exercise is just a big pointless circle jerk between Trump and Putin.

So was the Afghani Government that instantly crumbled when they weren't told we released the 5000 Taliban we had in prison.

[Kaleredar]

wait so donald is holding "peace talks" with putin in alaska...but zelensky isn't coming? don't you like, need to have both parties to discuss peace?

or is this just cover for an in-person meeting without any american translators, again?

“If you aren’t at the table, you’re on the menu”

[Edge-]

He did this with Afghanistan, which is why the pullout was shit.

i mean the us was a player in that

ukraine can, as they have, just say with all the energy of bugs bunny "no" and the deal is kaput. so it's just donald playing pretend world leader and negotiator and thing to show man of action doing action man things

[alach]

I have my doubts...
Ukrainian ambassador to US: US will negotiate with Russia from position of strength

Oksana Markarova, Ukraine's Ambassador to the United States, believes that the "US will be coming from the position of strength" during talks with Russia.
Markarova said "all Ukraine prays" for US President Donald Trump to "have great results" in the talks through his effectiveness.

Quote: "So yes, we want Putin to stop, and we really are hopeful that this push from President Trump, and the sanction packages which are on the table, and secondary sanctions which are already implemented against those who help Russia, will convince President Putin that this is time for him to finally stop his aggression." [N.B. Ukrainska Pravda does not recognise Putin as president – ed.]

So as Breccia has said over in the wrong thread, neither side are willing to give up anything. As we have reported many times over the years, russia's economy cannot afford to stop the war, and its illegal, unethical, and unjust for Ukraine to surrender land. So we are at an impasse the same as always. Unless someone (trump) puts some serious leverage on putin this will not end. TACOing some "ceasefire or else" just aint going to cut it.
I predict after the meeting with putin you will hear trump swearing to reporters as he gets on his helicopter after being spoonfed a dose of reality.

• What’s in the plan: European leaders have been scrambling this week to gain a better read on what Putin told Trump’s foreign envoy Steve Witkoff during talks in Moscow. The way the Europeans understand it, the plan put forward by Putin would give Russia control of Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region.

Basically rewarding the bully. The butchers of Bucha, the kidnappers of children, the rapists and pillagers of the East and opening the door wide open for China to take Taiwan while arguing in the halls of the UN, "Well, you let russia do it!"

[Kaleredar]

I have my doubts...
Ukrainian ambassador to US: US will negotiate with Russia from position of strength


So as Breccia has said over in the wrong thread, neither side are willing to give up anything. As we have reported many times over the years, russia's economy cannot afford to stop the war, and its illegal, unethical, and unjust for Ukraine to surrender land. So we are at an impasse the same as always. Unless someone (trump) puts some serious leverage on putin this will not end. TACOing some "ceasefire or else" just aint going to cut it.
I predict after the meeting with putin you will hear trump swearing to reporters as he gets on his helicopter after being spoonfed a dose of reality.



Basically rewarding the bully. The butchers of Bucha, the kidnappers of children, the rapists and pillagers of the East and opening the door wide open for China to take Taiwan while arguing in the halls of the UN, "Well, you let russia do it!"

I’d imagine they’re just trying to fluff up Trump; at this juncture I find it very hard to believe Ukraine is actually debating ceding any land or believing any assurances from Russia.

Their best bet is to keep fighting, toss token words of praise at Trump to keep as many weapons flowing and hope that someone responsible eventually takes charge of the US’ side in the future.

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I have my doubts...
Ukrainian ambassador to US: US will negotiate with Russia from position of strength


So as Breccia has said over in the wrong thread, neither side are willing to give up anything. As we have reported many times over the years, russia's economy cannot afford to stop the war, and its illegal, unethical, and unjust for Ukraine to surrender land. So we are at an impasse the same as always. Unless someone (trump) puts some serious leverage on putin this will not end. TACOing some "ceasefire or else" just aint going to cut it.
I predict after the meeting with putin you will hear trump swearing to reporters as he gets on his helicopter after being spoonfed a dose of reality.



Basically rewarding the bully. The butchers of Bucha, the kidnappers of children, the rapists and pillagers of the East and opening the door wide open for China to take Taiwan while arguing in the halls of the UN, "Well, you let russia do it!"

I’d imagine they’re just trying to fluff up Trump; at this juncture I find it very hard to believe Ukraine is actually debating ceding any land or believing any assurances from Russia.

Their best bet is to keep fighting, toss token words of praise at Trump to keep as many weapons flowing and hope that someone responsible eventually takes charge of the US’ side in the future.

[Gorsameth]

or is this just cover for an in-person meeting without any american translators, again?

Think you hit the nail on the head.

Donald is getting a little to rowdy towards Putin as of late, so the later needs to come over and remind Trump about his kompromat.
Put the dog back on his leash.

[Neufab]

You don't need to be Nostradamus to foretell that come friday mango mussolini will piss on the graves of Viktoriia Roshchyna and all the other Ukranians which has been tortured and murdered by the fascist war criminals in Moscow.

[Vampiregenesis]

Krotevych: Most fronts are about to fall and Russians are advancing towards Kramatorsk.

https://x.com/Archer83Able/status/1955000141099729275

There have been some massive breaches on areas ahead of Pokrovsk. The situation is chaotic and Ukrainians do not have a clear plan about it.

It will be funny if Putin accepts the Trump deal and then say, "I tried for peace but Europe and Ukraine rejected it", it will be even more funny if sanctions are lifted.

Europe is all talk but no action, all rules for Ukraine have been lifted now, Europe can send personnel and critical equipment in order to help stabilize the front, yet they do nothing. I don't understand, are they passively wait for America to take action? they can't act on their own? How can they say that Europe will not concede land to Putin but do nothing about it?

In b4 the "Ukraine is winning" forces here say that Krotevych is pro Russian.

[Dontrike]

You can always tell when Russia got hit hard when one of their underpaid interns comes around and starts going on about them winning nearly 4 years after this "3 day special operation." Hopefully you earned your turnips and vodka rations.

[diller]

I don't understand...

That seems to be a recurring thing with you.

[Saradain]

https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainia...-source-claims

Ukrainian military intelligence (HUR) drones on Aug. 11 struck the Orenburg Helium Plant, a key Russian facility lying some 1,200 kilometers from the front line in Ukraine, a source in the agency told the Kyiv Independent.

"This is the only facility in Russia that produces a critically important component used in rocket manufacturing, the space industry, and the aviation sector," the source claimed.

Local residents reportedly heard drones flying overhead and a series of explosions near the plant. At 8 p.m. local time on Aug. 11, Russian authorities closed off a section of the M-5 Ural highway near Perevolotsky and Kholodnye Klyuchi, where the factory is located.

The extent of potential damage to the plant remains unclear.

Orenburg Oblast Acting Governor Yevgeny Solntsev reported that two drones were shot down over the region on the evening of Aug. 11. The official did not comment on any possible damage or casualties. A drone raid alert was also issued on the morning of Aug. 12.

The Kyiv Independent could not verify the claims.

Orenburg Oblast lies at Russia's southern border with Kazakhstan, while the helium facility is located roughly 1,200 kilometers (750 miles) from the front line in Ukraine.

The intelligence source described the helium plant as "Russia's sole helium production facility and one of the largest in Europe, with an annual capacity to process around 15 billion cubic meters of natural gas."

However, Russian media report that while the Orenburg Helium Plant was the country's only helium producer before 2021, Russia also operates Gazprom's Amur Gas Processing Plant in the Far East and another helium plant in Irkutsk Oblast as of 2025.

The noble gas can be used, among other applications, to pressurize and purge rocket propulsion systems.

The HUR source told the Kyiv Independent that the plant is one of the key facilities of the Russian military-industrial complex and is directly involved in Russian aggression against Ukraine.

Kyiv has escalated long-range drone strikes against Russian military and industrial targets deep in the rear, aiming to undermine Moscow's ability to wage war.

Another wave of Ukrainain drones reportedly targeted Russia overnight on Aug. 12, with drone strikes reported at a plant producing synthetic sapphires in Stavropol.

Coincidental timing for russian goons shitposting when news like this appear.

[alach]

Unfortuately, he's not wrong.

Russian forces breach Ukrainian defences in eastern Donetsk region, reports claim

Russian forces have intensified their push in eastern Ukraine, pushing towards the Dobropillia–Kramatorsk highway in Ukraine's Donetsk region, as Volodymyr Zelenskyy warns that Russia is redeploying its troops in preparation for a new offensive.
Russian forces have intensified their offensive in eastern Ukraine, pushing towards the Dobropillia–Kramatorsk highway in the Donetsk region, according to reports.

Ukraine’s open-source intelligence project DeepState said that Moscow troops have probably seized nearby settlements to support further offensive operations as they are trying to pierce Ukrainian defences.

This wasn't unexpected. Russia is pushing hard to try and take whatever they can if there is some sort of ceasefire coming in the next few days. I doubt there is, but it still puts a clock over them where there wasn't one before.

[Saradain]

Unfortuately, he's not wrong.

Russian forces breach Ukrainian defences in eastern Donetsk region, reports claim


This wasn't unexpected. Russia is pushing hard to try and take whatever they can if there is some sort of ceasefire coming in the next few days. I doubt there is, but it still puts a clock over them where there wasn't one before.

He's not "wrong" but he sure words things in a manner that strongly implies "all fronts are collapsing, everywhere" while in fact the actual tweet is about that village area.