Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Wilian]

With in kind, I mean hit the governmental palace and the kremlin.
You know.
The actual legitimate targets

It's better they continue to deteriorate Russian oil refining capabilities. In any case, it was almoust comedically sad to hear yet again Europe strongly condemning the massive bombardment.

[Specialka]

With in kind, I mean hit the governmental palace and the kremlin.
You know.
The actual legitimate targets

You take the risks of having civilians as collateral damage. Poor political value.

[Elenos]

With in kind, I mean hit the governmental palace and the kremlin.
You know.
The actual legitimate targets

Any dual use infrastructure is a legitimate target. So bridges, oil sites, gas lines, rail lines, factories etc. etc.

Ukraine is doing that.

Bombing the Kremlin? Sure could I suppose be done, wouldn't achieve anything: Russian HQ isn't there, even Putin rarely operates from in there...and you know the massive cultural value of the Kremlin.

Doubt anyone would weep if Ukraine bombed Russia's White House ( their PM work place ).

[alach]

Oh, how I dread these bad news day.
Heres the headlines;

Russian aerial bomb kills at least 23 civilians in rural Ukrainian village, government says

All I have left is a slightest glimmer of hope that the feeble and perverted mind of the president of the United States decided that bombing Russia's military sites as a distraction from the Epstein card (that totally isn't from him,you guys, thats not even how he draws pictures of underage naked girls,) is a good idea.

But here we are, in a timeline where he would rather go to war with his own cities than a terrorist state and self-proclaimed enemy of the west and democracy.

Heres another one if one wants to pass some time;
Heroes and villains: Russia braces for eventual return of its enormous army

Some returning veterans have committed serious crimes
Kremlin is working to ensure any mass return is smooth
Putin wants to ensure society is not destabilised - sources
Views differ on potential scale of risk to society

LONDON, Sept 9 (Reuters) - For Russian wife killer Azamat Iskaliyev, the war was a one-way ticket out of jail.
The 37-year-old had served less than a third of a nine-year murder sentence - for stabbing his spouse to death in his car in the summer of 2021 because she wanted a divorce - when he was freed and pardoned by Russia in return for fighting in Ukraine.
After returning to civilian life, he knifed an ex-girlfriend more than 60 times in the shop where she worked in October last year after she rejected his advances. In July, he was jailed for more than 19 years for the frenzied murder.
Iskaliyev's case, pieced together from court records in the city of Saratov and local media reports from his hearings, is a shocking example of the social problems that could await Russia as hundreds of thousands of soldiers - some of them pardoned convicts - return home following an eventual end to the war.

Just wonderful. Putin can't end the war because his streets will be flooded with murderers that now have hardened military training. Maybe this is some sort of twisted cosmic justice, after all.

[Nymrohd]

Apparently several Russian drones entered Poland, some have been shot down. Will it matter? Nope.

[Corvus]

The Polish are confirming that multiple incursions were made into their airspace and that they shot them down. That's a big change, given previous times NATO airspace was violated by drones they were ignored and swept under the carpet.

Four airports were shut down as well.

There are reports that a follow up wave of missile strikes by the russians were cancelled after the incident.

[Wilian]

So Russia has essentially attacked Poland, a NATO country. Can't wait for the eventual strong condemnations.

[LeGin v4]

You wonder what’s been brushed under the carpet in the past, this certainly hasn't been.

Mayor of Lviv talking about a “wave of drones”. Is this hyperbole? [that far west]

I can’t find a report that says further Russian strikes were cancelled?

The mayor’s now posted:

“Air raid alert cancelled in Lviv and the region. We thank our air defence forces for getting us through this night!”

I wonder if someone’s been on the phone to him…

What’d’ve happened if there’d been casualties? [in Poland]

FFS - fucking Russian cunts: fuck off

Edit for clarity

[Gabriel]

You wonder what’s been brushed under the carpet in the past, this certainly hasn't been.

Mayor of Lviv talking about a “wave of drones”. Is this hyperbole? [that far west]

I can’t find a report that says further Russian strikes were cancelled?

The mayor’s now posted:

“Air raid alert cancelled in Lviv and the region. We thank our air defence forces for getting us through this night!”

I wonder if someone’s been on the phone to him…

What’d’ve happened if there’d been casualties? [in Poland]

FFS - fucking Russian cunts: fuck off

Edit for clarity

Calls for dIaLoGuE, condemnation of such actions (STRONG condemnations if we're lucky), calls for giving Russia what it wants, and overall bitch-made behaviour.

[Corvus]

The Poles say 19 drones entered Poland, mostly through Belarus.

The Kremlin is saying nothing but state media is saying 'unnamed Polish politicians' claim it was a false flag operation. Meanwhile Belarus is saying the drones lost their way after being jammed, contradicting russia's claim.

[Iphie]

The Poles say 19 drones entered Poland, mostly through Belarus.

The Kremlin is saying nothing but state media is saying 'unnamed Polish politicians' claim it was a false flag operation. Meanwhile Belarus is saying the drones lost their way after being jammed, contradicting russia's claim.

It's not entirely implausible...just highly unlikley (and no, I don't believe it but if you need an excuse not to invoke art. 5 then you can use this.). In any case I read that Belarus was also trying to take down drones going into Poland, so who knows what really was going on.

[alach]

Poland called for article 4 in Nato, which is.... having a meeting.
I don't know, one can hope that maybe this will finally galvanize people into some serious action, since at this point its foolish to expect trump to do anything than tweet while innocent lives continue to be lost.
In both places.

Under Article 4 of NATO's founding treaty, members can bring any issue of concern, especially related to the security of a member country, to the table for discussion within the North Atlantic Council. Since the Alliance's creation in 1949, Article 4 has been invoked seven times.18.07.2023.

Sounds somewhat serious.

[Nymrohd]

You wonder what’s been brushed under the carpet in the past, this certainly hasn't been.

Mayor of Lviv talking about a “wave of drones”. Is this hyperbole? [that far west]

I can’t find a report that says further Russian strikes were cancelled?

The mayor’s now posted:

“Air raid alert cancelled in Lviv and the region. We thank our air defence forces for getting us through this night!”

I wonder if someone’s been on the phone to him…

What’d’ve happened if there’d been casualties? [in Poland]

FFS - fucking Russian cunts: fuck off

Edit for clarity

I mean, you are from the UK. Russia brazenly attacked people in your country and nothing happened

[Elder Millennial]

Poland called for article 4 in Nato, which is.... having a meeting..

The US will either be a no-show or will send Hegseth, who will promptly get drunk and start screeching about the Germans not being nice enough to the AfD or something.

[Wilian]

It's not entirely implausible...just highly unlikley (and no, I don't believe it but if you need an excuse not to invoke art. 5 then you can use this.). In any case I read that Belarus was also trying to take down drones going into Poland, so who knows what really was going on.

A drone, two are mistakes (unacceptable ones). A fleet of 20 and missile(s) that we know of thus far is hostile action. Probably a """"hybrid operation""" to check out NATO defenses and response&resolve, especially when they apparently came from multiple directions and closest landed mere 12km off of a NATO airbase.

This should warrant a strict, rapid response but watch it go to the typical rounds of lot of condemnations but little action. This was Russia imposing military on NATO, instigating the first direct NATO vs Russia airfight in history.

The ideal, not overly escalationary but effective response would be closure of Ukrainian airspace from Russian incursion with western air power, preventing them from operating there but avoids the whole shebang of striking Russian territorities, launch systems as target which should be step 2 if it continues.

[Iphie]

A drone, two are mistakes (unacceptable ones). A fleet of 20 and missile(s) that we know of thus far is hostile action. Probably a """"hybrid operation""" to check out NATO defenses and response&resolve, especially when they apparently came from multiple directions and closest landed mere 12km off of a NATO airbase.

This should warrant a strict, rapid response but watch it go to the typical rounds of lot of condemnations but little action. This was Russia imposing military on NATO, instigating the first direct NATO vs Russia airfight in history.

The ideal, not overly escalationary but effective response would be closure of Ukrainian airspace from Russian incursion with western air power, preventing them from operating there but avoids the whole shebang of striking Russian territorities, launch systems as target which should be step 2 if it continues.

I mean, you're not wrong, sadly technology does get it wrong and I'm not exactly spilling state secrets when I say russian tech is questionable. That's why I said: "It's not entirely implausible...", that little bit of doubt does a whole lot of prevention.

But otherwise I agree with you, but we kinda should have done that about 2,5 years ago.

[prwraith]

A drone, two are mistakes (unacceptable ones). A fleet of 20 and missile(s) that we know of thus far is hostile action. Probably a """"hybrid operation""" to check out NATO defenses and response&resolve, especially when they apparently came from multiple directions and closest landed mere 12km off of a NATO airbase.

This should warrant a strict, rapid response but watch it go to the typical rounds of lot of condemnations but little action. This was Russia imposing military on NATO, instigating the first direct NATO vs Russia airfight in history.

The ideal, not overly escalationary but effective response would be closure of Ukrainian airspace from Russian incursion with western air power, preventing them from operating there but avoids the whole shebang of striking Russian territorities, launch systems as target which should be step 2 if it continues.

This is probably the safest idea honestly. The problem is I think Trump will try and ignore this or hand waive it away. So it will pretty much be the european member of NATO on their own

[Mayhem]

This is probably the safest idea honestly. The problem is I think Trump will try and ignore this or hand waive it away. So it will pretty much be the european member of NATO on their own

Who knows, maybe he'll use it as another attempt to distract from the Epstein files.

[Gorsameth]

A drone, two are mistakes (unacceptable ones). A fleet of 20 and missile(s) that we know of thus far is hostile action. Probably a """"hybrid operation""" to check out NATO defenses and response&resolve, especially when they apparently came from multiple directions and closest landed mere 12km off of a NATO airbase.

This should warrant a strict, rapid response but watch it go to the typical rounds of lot of condemnations but little action. This was Russia imposing military on NATO, instigating the first direct NATO vs Russia airfight in history.

The ideal, not overly escalationary but effective response would be closure of Ukrainian airspace from Russian incursion with western air power, preventing them from operating there but avoids the whole shebang of striking Russian territorities, launch systems as target which should be step 2 if it continues.

Can't really close Ukraine airspace without coming within range of Russian AA stationed inside Russia, which then creates an unacceptable risk to NATO pilots if those AA sites are not removed and we arrive at ww3.

I'd much rather see a response targeting for example Russia's shadow fleet, aiming to cripple that as a means of avoiding sanctions with an added bonus of stopping them from sabotaging undersea cables.

[alach]

Can't really close Ukraine airspace without coming within range of Russian AA stationed inside Russia, which then creates an unacceptable risk to NATO pilots if those AA sites are not removed and we arrive at ww3.

I'd much rather see a response targeting for example Russia's shadow fleet, aiming to cripple that as a means of avoiding sanctions with an added bonus of stopping them from sabotaging undersea cables.

I'd rather something stronger, but that basically exactly what is in the EU's next sanction package they are working on getting through.

Trump on Russia’s incursion into NATO: ‘Here we go!’

“What’s with Russia violating Poland’s airspace with drones?” Trump asked in a short post on Truth Social. “Here we go!”

Do it, ya doofus, do it!