Russian invasion of Ukraine

[fwc577]

Whatever the fuck happened in Alaska, it was the diplomatic equivalent of the offensive on Kyiv. Almost a touch down fumbled at the last yard.

Look. I'm no fan of Trump. My posts here make that obvious. And I'm prefacing with this because it might seem like I'm defending Trump or praising him, when I'm not. I'm just going to point out facts.

2016-2020, Trump was a total shill for Russia. Why? Because he knew he needed their support to get re-elected.

2020-2024, Trump was still a total shill for Russia. Why? Because he was running for President again.

2025-2028 Trump is a new era. He's not getting re-elected. He knows this. If he somehow retains the Presidency after 2028, it's not going to be because of an election. As a result, he doesn't need Russia anymore. And him and the people around him saw Russia struggling against Ukraine these last few years. They know Russia does not have the upperhand anymore when it comes to dealing with America.

Trump promised to end the war and he's been hit out a few times over his boastful claims of all wars ended on day 1.

At this point, like Putin, Trump is trying to secure himself a legacy.

It's why he was so made about not getting a Nobel Peace Prize. It's why he's talking about building that monument in Washington. It's why he's talking about continuing to serve after 2028.

He doesn't need Russia for that. And, if he can cause Putin/Russia to fail. All while keeping his promise to end wars.

That's a mighty shiny carrot for him to chase.

[Attackrabbit]

Apparently what happened in Alaska was that Trump somehow had some sort of face saving 'peace' deal in the works and Putin just instantly went 'Nah mate, don't think so' and went home and that hurt poor little Trumpet's feelings very badly.

[Elenos]

Look. I'm no fan of Trump. My posts here make that obvious. And I'm prefacing with this because it might seem like I'm defending Trump or praising him, when I'm not. I'm just going to point out facts.

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He doesn't need Russia for that. And, if he can cause Putin/Russia to fail. All while keeping his promise to end wars.

That's a mighty shiny carrot for him to chase.

Nice story. I suppose it's a good one to give people if they believed Trump-Russia one from 2016.

The truth is this: Trump has ALWAYS been about legacy. he ran for president for legacy, He engaged in Middle East from early 2017 for legacy, he met Kim for legacy and with Russia he thought he secure legacy by reaching some grand with him as far back as a decade ago.

What happened in Alaska isn't some guesswork: Putin demanded the Donbass to stop the war. Ukraine flat out refused, Trump can't change that.

[fwc577]

Nice story. I suppose it's a good one to give people if they believed Trump-Russia one from 2016.

The truth is this: Trump has ALWAYS been about legacy. he ran for president for legacy, He engaged in Middle East from early 2017 for legacy, he met Kim for legacy and with Russia he thought he secure legacy by reaching some grand with him as far back as a decade ago.

What happened in Alaska isn't some guesswork: Putin demanded the Donbass to stop the war. Ukraine flat out refused, Trump can't change that.

Nah, your take is actually retarded.

Trump was never about legacy. He was about money and power. He didn't expect to win in 2016 and was going to launch a media company after his failed Presidential bid and was using planning to use those candidate credentials to land credibility to his org. He's had so many quid pro quos (and continues to do so in many cases) to fill up the coffers so he no longer has to pretend to be a billionaire despite the red on the balance sheet.

His attempts at prestigious shit like Nobel Peace Prize is his attempt to secure that legacy. He knows when he dies (and in the last year, 2 assassination attempts + 1 stroke is going to make even the hardest narcissists start to realize they're not living forever.) if he doesn't do something truly amazing, then he's going to be a clown and laughing stock. I can assure you this probably keeps his ass up at night.

Hell, I'd go as far as to speculate that dude knows he won't be alive next December to receive a Nobel Peace Prize which is why he had a fucking conniption when someone else won it this year.

[En Sabah Nur]

I can assure you this probably keeps his ass up at night.

Not too long ago, I'd have said you were wrong on this.

But recently, he's been talking about how he wants to get into heave etc. Recently he's changed it to being about how he won't get into heaven. He seems actually worried about it. Or at least as much as you can say he seems worried about something.

[fwc577]

Not too long ago, I'd have said you were wrong on this.

But recently, he's been talking about how he wants to get into heave etc. Recently he's changed it to being about how he won't get into heaven. He seems actually worried about it. Or at least as much as you can say he seems worried about something.

All of this seems to have happened since he had the stroke. There is a noticeable change. I think he finally got the realization that his time is limited.

That whole heaven thing from that recent viral video was pretty telling.

[En Sabah Nur]

All of this seems to have happened since he had the stroke. There is a noticeable change. I think he finally got the realization that his time is limited.

That whole heaven thing from that recent viral video was pretty telling.

He's also recently seem to have finally realised he's not the perfect embodiment of a human male. I forget where I saw it, but he talks about how much bigger his body/limbs are compared to Biden's, and how maybe nobody wants to see that at the beach lol Sounds like nothing, but its actually his overly confident image of himself crumbling.

[alach]

Hey, speaking of that, did you catch Hegseth doing his best impression of the Ken doll still in its plastic package today?



He seems to be cosplaying a GI Joe from the 80s. Its funny.
But seriously, they did discuss getting some more "more firepower" for Ukraine and address some other poster's concerns about the future. Big meeting still coming up on Friday.

We had a wonderful dinner last night. We discussed a lot of things, obviously, defence spending. Clearly, we have to do more. We have to ramp up defence spending, because we know we cannot protect ourselves four or five years from now if we don't.

Also, we need to ramp up defence spending because it is clear that the US rightly requires us to do more here on the European side and the Canadian side of NATO.

It's only fair. It's only sensible.

[Elenos]

Trump was never about legacy. He was about money and power. He didn't expect to win in 2016 and was going to launch a media company after his failed Presidential bid and was using planning to use those candidate credentials to land credibility to his org.

Money? Sure a nice thing if he failed to win as everyone said he would back then. Because every single expert said he couldn't win.

Not the reason he ran in first place. Heck it's probably not even number 2 on list: That would be getting back at Obama for 2011. Although knowing Trump it might be number 1 by far.

So ease up on insults.

Trump's main clear motivations are: Legacy and Payback. Iran found out that one the hard way.

There's that saying: He wants to write his name in stone.

[Elder Millennial]

Hey, speaking of that, did you catch Hegseth doing his best impression of the Ken doll still in its plastic package today?

His posture has a lot to do with the incredibly shit tailoring of the suits he's wearing. His suit jackets are too tight and the armholes are too low.

Which causes this idiotic posture.

[Edge-]

His posture has a lot to do with the incredibly shit tailoring of the suits he's wearing. His suit jackets are too tight and the armholes are too low.

this is what happens when you're a homophobe. the good tailors don't want to work with you, not because they're all gay, though many are, but because they're likely mostly all allies

[Elder Millennial]

this is what happens when you're a homophobe. the good tailors don't want to work with you, not because they're all gay, though many are, but because they're likely mostly all allies

You can buy a perfectly decent off the rack suit for about 600 to 700 or so dollars even in the US and have if fitted by a tailor for less than 100, especially with his build and frame.

But he is actually buying "bespoke" ...cuz he has everything lined with stupid flag patterns. His suits are cut this fucking bad because he is this fucking tasteless.

It's not like he doesn't know how a suit should fit because he did serve in the military and he probably at some point had to a wear a dress uniform, which are always fitted well because they are fitted to specific standards. It's just that he is a tasteless piece of shit.

[fwc577]

Money? Sure a nice thing if he failed to win as everyone said he would back then. Because every single expert said he couldn't win. Not the reason he ran in first place.

There is a lot of money in politics and media. Trump knows this and Trump back in the early/mid-2010s was barely keeping his head above water, financially. He was on The Apprentice for years and the Money and Power which comes with running a media organization WAS his plan considering even he thought he was going to lose.

None of this is disputed fact. It's easily searchable.

Heck it's probably not even number 2 on list: That would be getting back at Obama for 2011. Although knowing Trump it might be number 1 by far.

And what do you think he's gonna do with a Media company? Again, dude worked on The Apprentice and had seen the POWER that media has. With a media company, he's free to criticize his opponents and trash their reputations, which, to Trump 2016, reputation was everything

So ease up on insults.

If you make a retarded argument. I'm going to call out your argument for being retarded. Quit taking it personally.

Trump's main clear motivations are: Legacy and Payback. Iran found out that one the hard way.

There's that saying: He wants to write his name in stone.

Welcome to 2025 where this is obvious of current day Trump who is finally realizing his time is coming to an end but this wasn't his original motivations back during his first term.

[Vampiregenesis]

I find that Russia tends to be somewhat of a blank slate that a whole lot of people East and West project their own ideas and ideals on. What Russia is, does or wants has very little to do with why they like it or support it.

Vampire is a far right wing Greek weirdo nationalist who is annoyed with the rest of Europe, angry about real or perceived slights or disrespect. He hates "the West, NATO, IMF, EU, Germany, France etc etc etc" because austerity, because domestic political issues, because Turkey has a seat at the table etc etc. So his angst and anger makes him a natural sympathizer of the Russians because the Russians oppose and hate the same things he does.
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I worked with Ukrainians and Russians for years and I still do to some extend but not as much as before, 99% of services I will import from them, they offered very cheap labor and advanced skills for my market. They are not exactly "alien" to me. I heard many stories from the war. I supported some of them who were internal refugees. So unlike some here who are "pro-Ukrainian" in words, I have helped some war victims in the real world. I'd say I have never seen any hate between them, all that you see is TV propaganda. Russians generally don't like this war and hate Putin for it, that's my impression. Many Ukrainians due to power shortages outsource to their friends in Russia, they are like one thing. Where you find one, there is the other there. There is a lot of support between them.

Besides my job, I also know them because many of them live in Greece, their culture is not unknown to us. Greece has all kinds of Slavs and other Europeans ofc. No, I don't imagine Russia as a white Christian country and I don't care about either of these, I know that it's a multicultural giant that also has Muslims and a more Asiatic element into it. Nothing wrong with this.

You are saying that I don't like Europe because they gave a seat to Turkey. Let me tell you that I also have suppliers and friends from Turkey so I talk with people from there. I generally support Turkey joining the EU and becoming a predictable western/democratic nation. We are talking about an islamofascist nation that has jailed/killed/tortured tons of their citizens and the Turks themselves hate their government who are now experience extreme inflation, oppression and poverty because of it. They have invaded Syria and have armies on Libya and Cyprus. They bomb Iraq daily. They support global terrorism. They buy natural gas from Putin, they are in fact some of his best supporters. The Turks that I speak with hate Erdogan with passion because they used to grow in a secular/western state with decent living conditions which is slowly fading now. I said once to a Turk that Erdogan is better because despite him being terrible we have avoided going to war with each other and he told me that I hate the Turks and want them to suffer. Some people that I knew from there suddenly disappeared one day, I wouldn't be surprised if they were put in jail or killed because they supported the opposition.

So what does the EU do about this? oh let's help them create a carrier, let's sell them Eurofighters, let's add them to safe, we need the Turks!. These weapons will destabilize our region and have already forced some sort of an arms race which is hard for our small and indebted country, these weapons will KILL Greeks, they won't kill Germans, Spanish or Italian. I have no problem if a western/secular Turkey who is in the EU with no Ottoman empire ambitions gets weapons but we are talking about a completely different thing. When you put such people to the table and sell them this stuff, I'm sorry but you are trolling us hard. You are by no means an ally. Why should I support you against Russia when you yourself is ignoring my own 'Russia"? Russia can be the most terrible country ever, however it does not sell weapons to Turkey and it can never go to war with Greece, it can never be a geopolitical menace for us. Many Greeks find it unreasonable that we support Ukraine in this current situation when Europe is behaving like this.

The Europeans are not trying in the slightest to bring the Turks into the western sphere of influence and they essentially support the Ottoman Empire ambition, by doing this they don't only make life hard for Greeks but also Turks themselves. Turks suffer far more than Greeks, they are forcing these people back to deep Islam. Greeks may never suffer from these actions because luckily, there are other players in the region who don't want things to get out of control. Europe is NOT one of them, ironically our "allies". Europe is trying its best to create chaos and bloodshed.

Europe is a place with no vision and it's also toxic, I still remember how they stereotyped against us in 2015 by calling us cheaters/slackers and having anti-Greek posters/propaganda everywhere in an attempt to dehumanize and humiliate us, it was similar to what they did with the jews. Do you imagine Washington doing something similar against Texas? No, these things happen only in the "United" Europe. The vision of a united Europe has stagnated our foreign politics, it has turned our country into a plant waiting for something that will never happen. Our people see other players in the region like Turkey and Israel becoming stronger, more influential etc and getting equal or more support from the EU and they wonder, why the hell am I in Europe if I don't have any exclusive benefits? why the Turk, the Israeli, can enjoy the same or more benefits than me? why my politics are not moving towards anywhere? Everything else like inflated real estate prices, destroyed demographics, tourism colonization, brain drain, refugee unmanageable crisis and many others add to the toxicity of current Europe.

Hopefully, something big happens and force us to change directions because this isn't working and Imo, it will never win. Europe and the remnants of the collaborators of ww2 who rule this country only hold us back and corrupt this place. Europe will never become like the US, a truly united place.

[Elenos]

Welcome to 2025 where this is obvious of current day Trump who is finally realizing his time is coming to an end but this wasn't his original motivations back during his first term.

Cut the rubbish and actual be a grown up. You want to talk about motivations and insult people for them calling out you're wrong? Be an actual man and own up to it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...a-lago/671510/

At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. “The question I get asked more than any other question: ‘If you had it to do again, would you have done it?’” Trump said of running for president. “The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.” He then went on to talk about how much easier his life would have been had he not run. Yet there it was: Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame

Or NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/u...-campaign.html

In an interview on Friday, Mr. Trump acknowledged that he had encountered many who doubted or dismissed him as a political force before now. “I realized that unless I actually ran, I wouldn’t be taken seriously,” he said.

or Politico

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/...running-121553

Donald Trump has two reasons for why he decided to run for president this time rather than past cycles: his business and himself.

“So it was really important that I do it, for myself … I mean I really considered it strongly last time. Before that I thought about it. But I never even had any staff. My secretary was my staff,” Trump said in an interview with Time published Thursday. “But the time I looked at it was [last] time. But I was very busy, I was doing tremendous developments which are now completed and very successful. Because we’re all over the world. And I had a signed contract with ‘The Apprentice.’ I would have had to break it.”

“The other reason,” Trump said, is that he “wanted to do this for myself. I didn’t want to look back in ten years and say I could have done that or I could have done that,” Trump said. “My family would look at me and say, ‘Ugh, stop.’ I had to do it for myself.”

Do you want MORE? Cause I have thousands more articles on this written over a damned DECADE, or are you such a pathetic little man that you can't admit you're wrong and must insist on insults just to 'prove' you aren't wrong.

So yeah he made a pretty penny from it.

But it was not about the money, he took advantage yes ( how smart saying that really ), but that's janitor level IQ about politics: It's ALL about money.

It's not, money to people who are that rich is a tool, a status, a statement. It is not the end all be all.

It's power, it's status, it's legacy, it's his name written in books.

That's why ran. He was damned clear about it too! Melania literally told him to his face: Stop being a bitch and run or shut up. You've annoyed ALL of us for years about it.

EDIT: Or if that's too nuanced I'll write it for Warhammer Greenskins

“I got enough teef, don’t need no more. Wot I want is ta be da biggest an’ da baddest, so every git ‘round ‘ere remembers my name!

REMEMBER TRUMP!"

[fwc577]

Do you want MORE? Cause I have thousands more articles on this written over a damned DECADE, or are you such a pathetic little man that you can't admit you're wrong and must insist on insults just to 'prove' you aren't wrong.

You resort to ad hominem, you've lost.

The rest of your retarded post isn't worth the read. Calling your post or your argument retarded is not an attack or insult to you personally yet you take it that way and attack me personally because you've lost this one. Suck it up.

Glad you felt to link a bunch of interviews about what a known and profuse liar has publicly said and think you've won an argument, however. Whatever makes you feel better at the end of the day.

[alach]

So, it's looking like nothing good is coming from this. More talk no action from trump because he is Taco. Hungary will be Alaska 2.0 and Trump will define insanity yet again.
Fuck you, you fat, dumb, shambling, steaming pile of the worst part humanity.

[LeGin v4]

So, it's looking like nothing good is coming from this. More talk no action from trump because he is Taco. Hungary will be Alaska 2.0 and Trump will define insanity yet again.
Fuck you, you fat, dumb, shambling, steaming pile of the worst part humanity.

Yeah. Not looking good. It's a humbling 180°

Wonder what Putin said to him

[Edge-]

Yeah. Not looking good. It's a humbling 180°

Wonder what Putin said to him

"i still have the pee pee tapes"

[alach]

"i still have the pee pee tapes"

I honestly doubt the pee pee tapes would make the slightest difference to the average trump supporter at this point. It's all just "locker room".
Also, love how every time he has one of these meetings, the numbers of wars he has solved magically increases by one. Today it was 9.
Unlike whatever is happening with Prince Andrew at the moment, apparently shame and accountability still exists in some corners of the world, just not the US.