Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Deus Mortis]

For the love of bacon and puppies, stop pulling your understanding of geopolitics off random cranks on goddamned Twitter. It's a Nazi-friendly site.

Twitter is not a source you should be pulling information from.

This is why no one takes anything you say seriously. It always boils down to "some nobody on Twitter said so!"

Yeah, pretty much the only info I get from twitter is from several mappers who have daily updates and have been consistent in their maps over the course of a year+. Pretty much any info from this war stated by some random person needs to be cross checked multiple times.

[Vampiregenesis]

Europe made a counter-plan which is unrealistic and will be rejected 100% by Russia. I guess the war will continue but what the US will do?

This is the EU plan: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comm...no_territorial

Well, we know a few things for sure:

Europe wants this war to continue and defeat Russia, it means they have at least a plan about how to achieve this otherwise they wouldn't make so unrealistic demands that they know they will be rejected.

The US is in this war for the profit, they don't care about Ukraine and they are ok to sacrifice Ukraine if it means more profit. They even asked for money from the Russian frozen funds. They desperately want to make something out of this so I don't think they will quit but I'm not sure if they will remain on Ukraine's side.

[LeGin v4]

Europe made a counter-plan which is unrealistic and will be rejected 100% by Russia. I guess the war will continue but what the US will do?

This is the EU plan: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comm...no_territorial

Well, we know a few things for sure:

Europe wants this war to continue and defeat Russia, it means they have at least a plan about how to achieve this otherwise they wouldn't make so unrealistic demands that they know they will be rejected.

The US is in this war for the profit, they don't care about Ukraine and they are ok to sacrifice Ukraine if it means more profit. They even asked for money from the Russian frozen funds. They desperately want to make something out of this so I don't think they will quit but I'm not sure if they will remain on Ukraine's side.

Ummm...

[Calfredd]

Well, we know a few things for sure

That you are a bad faith actor in these forums that repeatedly posts dubious sources to poison the discussion?

[alach]

Ummm...

It would be hilarious if it wasn't at the same time so utterly depressing.

[Makabreska]

Ummm...

This one of the best self-owns in this thread ever.

Unfortunately, this wont be obvious enough for vampire to show him that his sources have zero legitimacy.

[LeGin v4]

It would be hilarious if it wasn't at the same time so utterly depressing.

That's now a second monitor ruined on account of me having snorted my drink on it while reading this forum

But, yep, I agree - it's not hilarious. It's just depressing

[Saradain]

If only the russian 2nd class goon would stop "updating" us with his totally legit greek sources from Twitter. A reminder, he went for a long search for the russian point of view, as per his own words. Zero chance for any genuine discussion.

[Gorsameth]

If only the russian 2nd class goon would stop "updating" us with his totally legit greek sources from Twitter. A reminder, he went for a long search for the russian point of view, as per his own words. Zero chance for any genuine discussion.

Wonder what location those twitter sources are shown to be from when that feature got turned on...

[alach]

Heres the EU peace plan, which Rubio exclaimed was "very good progress!"

https://www.reuters.com/business/fin...an-2025-11-23/

I personally like 8. NATO agrees not to permanently station troops under its command in Ukraine in peacetime. It is a direct reponse to russia's initial complaint and one of the excuses they used to invade. If they don't approve of that, then that would mean the reason they invaded was a lie!

Anyways, its a good deal. I give it my stamp of approval, and needless to say, russia will never sign off on it, in fact I was pretty certain they weren't going to sign off on their own/trump's plan either. They have proven day after day they just want war and don't really care about the lives it takes to wage it. In russia, killing off your citizens is good for business.

[Elder Millennial]

Heres the EU peace plan, which Rubio exclaimed was "very good progress!"

https://www.reuters.com/business/fin...an-2025-11-23/

I personally like 8. NATO agrees not to permanently station troops under its command in Ukraine in peacetime. It is a direct reponse to russia's initial complaint and one of the excuses they used to invade. If they don't approve of that, then that would mean the reason they invaded was a lie!

Anyways, its a good deal. I give it my stamp of approval, and needless to say, russia will never sign off on it, in fact I was pretty certain they weren't going to sign off on their own/trump's plan either. They have proven day after day they just want war and don't really care about the lives it takes to wage it. In russia, killing off your citizens is good for business.

That one looks like it was actually written by an adult and it's not a bad copy paste and translation of a Russian wishlist.

So the US won't take it seriously and the Russians won't accept it.

[Vampiregenesis]

Not sure how is this relevant with the Ukraine-Russia conflict but it shows why this war happened in the first place.

b. The United States will enter into a long-term Economic Cooperation Agreement to pursue mutual development in the areas of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, AI, datacenters, rare earths, joint projects in the Arctic, as well as various other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities.

They can't even hide their intentions.

- - - Updated - - -

https://www.wsj.com/world/zelensky-u...t_id=592798861

In b4 some claim that even WSJ is a bad source.

[Mayhem]

Not sure how is this relevant with the Ukraine-Russia conflict but it shows why this war happened in the first place.

That sentence makes no sense, like, zero, none. IF you aren't sure how this is even relevant, it can't also show its relevancy.

oh and here's the WSJ archive link

[alach]

So, russia's response to the EU plan that let's them rejoin the G8, lifts sanctions, and let's them keep stolen land, is that it isn't constructive and doesn't fit them at all.
But they like the first one - you know, the one they wrote.

[Gorsameth]

US plants bombshell plan, EU rushes to defuse and turn it into something 'reasonable', spend days/weeks massaging it around the US to get them agree to it. Russia has to refuse cause they aren't looking for reasonable.
Reset, repeat.

I can't imagine how the EU diplomatic core must feel, rushing every few months to clear up a giant pile of shit that an orange manbaby has left in the living room. This isn't the sort of thing they signed up for I think.

[Muzjhath]

US plants bombshell plan, EU rushes to defuse and turn it into something 'reasonable', spend days/weeks massaging it around the US to get them agree to it. Russia has to refuse cause they aren't looking for reasonable.
Reset, repeat.

I can't imagine how the EU diplomatic core must feel, rushing every few months to clear up a giant pile of shit that an orange manbaby has left in the living room. This isn't the sort of thing they signed up for I think.

Looking at European defence dollars...
They aren't expecting to be able to trust the US for a generation or two

[Gorsameth]

Looking at European defence dollars...
They aren't expecting to be able to trust the US for a generation or two

They are in absolutely no position to replace the US. Its 'future spending' and reshuffling numbers mostly.

Arms production is scaling up but it will be a while before the EU could keep Ukraine up by themselves.

[Muzjhath]

They are in absolutely no position to replace the US. Its 'future spending' and reshuffling numbers mostly.

Arms production is scaling up but it will be a while before the EU could keep Ukraine up by themselves.

Yea, but it's a generational shift.

[Gorsameth]

Yea, but it's a generational shift.

I honestly doubt it.

Once Trump is gone the US becomes a more reliable ally again and when, eventually, the Ukraine war ends and Russia is licking its wounds governments are going to go back to cutting defense spending because its the easiest thing to cut.

[Muzjhath]

I honestly doubt it.

Once Trump is gone the US becomes a more reliable ally again and when, eventually, the Ukraine war ends and Russia is licking its wounds governments are going to go back to cutting defense spending because its the easiest thing to cut.

How can we Europe, be sure about that?