Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Vampiregenesis]

Not what the source says, and you provided literally nothing to counter it, so I have to presume you're just lying out your ass and thinking I'm stupid enough to just accept your word over verifiable sources.

Not gonna happen. You've got nothing but your personal agenda and an allergy to truth.

Ok, I pass, you know better than the one who is living in the country this takes place.

[Edge-]

Ok, I pass, you know better than the one who is living in the country this takes place.

he doesn't

which is why he's going to an official source with verifiable information

vs.

"i live here, trust me, there's no way i could be wrong on this (too)"

[Vampiregenesis]

he doesn't

which is why he's going to an official source with verifiable information

vs.

"i live here, trust me, there's no way i could be wrong on this (too)"

https://wearesolomon.com/mag/format/...ce=chatgpt.com

Apparently we declined the offer and choose to slaughter the sheep in order to maintain the sheeppox-free status due to feta cheese exports. This is the official excuse for this.

The Greeks love their sheep, some farmers suffered from strokes after their sheep got killed, it was pretty dramatic.

Funnily enough, the EU was trying to do the correct thing here and we declined. I would like to see a bit more federalization from Europe, more guarantees about specific services and investments, more control over politicians, more transparency.

[Deus Mortis]

Hey @Deus Mortis, does this explain those polling results?
4 years of russian disinformation, global inflation, general discontent, and hosting Ukrainian refugees.
Sadly, like Vampire here, they don't see how the alternative is so, so much worse.

It wouldn't surprise me if it is numerous factors including the ones you listed all coming together to get those numbers. Haven't really been paying close attention to general feelings towards the war in regards to Europeans which is why the numbers have surprised me so much as I just assumed that some of the countries polled would have had far better numbers than the US in favor of helping them.

The amount of propaganda that is getting pumped out from this war has been insane and it is not just Russia pumping it out even though I definitely see more from Russia's side as well as it being more egregious. I can easily see how so many people can fall victim to it during this war if they're just your average joe not really paying attention to it and not following all the daily movements in maps, etc. They hear how Ukraine is losing a village or two every week or two and think why should I pay more when they're losing. Not knowing that Ukraine has a ton of little villages and that even with the losses from the past 2 years Russia is still not close to where they were in 2022 before the first Ukrainian counteroffensive. I remember Ukraine during that first counteroffensive was getting back like 20-40 villages a week. Would love nothing more than to see a repeat of that but sadly with how the war has changed and the asshats in office I don't see it happening any time soon.

[Vampiregenesis]

Some rumors say that Putin has 360000 troops in Belarus

https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Kiesewet...d30149007.html

Anonymous said about 400K troops.

[Edge-]

https://wearesolomon.com/mag/format/...ce=chatgpt.com

Apparently we declined the offer and choose to slaughter the sheep in order to maintain the sheeppox-free status due to feta cheese exports. This is the official excuse for this.

The Greeks love their sheep, some farmers suffered from strokes after their sheep got killed, it was pretty dramatic.

Funnily enough, the EU was trying to do the correct thing here and we declined. I would like to see a bit more federalization from Europe, more guarantees about specific services and investments, more control over politicians, more transparency.

Ok so now we're at, "The EU offered solutions that many Greek farmers wanted but the Greek government declined the vaccines, requiring the culling of herds." which is a far cry from -

Tell that to the farmers who have made blockades on the entire country for many days now. I have never seen something like this before. They are unable to get the funds because those were given to cheaters and the ruling party's associates. Their sheeps were killed for no reason, they did so in order to make it harder to identify the cheaters. (the cheaters gave a fake number of their animals).

This is the EU for you, where are the mechanisms to protect the citizens from this?

Sheep were killed because of the Greek government, the rest of your nonsense about "cheaters" is unsubstantiated. Basically the whole article is detailing Greek government failures to contain sheep pox while highlighting how the EU keeps trying to help it contain it and figure out economic consequences. And that, generally, academics and farmers want access to it and see it as a superior solution to the mass cullings.

Again, it does seem like Endus, going to official sources with verifiable information, knows more about what's going on in your nation than you do.

Also, props for using chatgpt as a search engine I guess? (that's not what it is) What a weird detour we keep going on because you keep spouting Russian propaganda.

[KrayZ33]

Sheep were killed because of the Greek government, the rest of your nonsense about "cheaters" is unsubstantiated. Basically the whole article is detailing Greek government failures to contain sheep pox while highlighting how the EU keeps trying to help it contain it and figure out economic consequences. And that, generally, academics and farmers want access to it and see it as a superior solution to the mass cullings.

This is just extra funny to me now, especially since he is always on about how the EU is not giving his country enough freedom in doing things etc.
Now all of a sudden he says this...

I'm sure the EU is once again good enough for him when it comes to giving him and his peeps some money.

Don't tell me that you think that 22%+ of Germans who support AFD are idiots, these people see that these parties work, they keep their promises and offer higher quality of life for their citizens so they start to believe on them.

le-flipping-mao.
They are defacto all idiots, yes.
Their voters will suffer the most from their politics. They are entirely running on immigration issues.

The AFD has broken every promise except for the ones that are related to brown people (and that's mostly due to them thankfully not having any power, because they'd even mess that one up). Luckily enough, they had only very few possibilities to show this so far.
And btw... if a party gets 20-30% of the votes, and all other parties aren't pro russian, then that means Germany is not pro russian.

Even if they had 40% and they were the ruling party, 'Germany' in large would still not be pro russian because all the other parties that get more than 5% are on the side of Ukraine.


The AFD is a russian sponsored hostile agent.
Social media and misinformation campaigns is how they get their votes - entirely.


Here is what the AFD stand for:

They don't want to increase salaries of the working class that is living in poverty.
They are planning to exempt the rich from taxes
They want to remove unions.
They want to reduce the social state
They want to exit EU. (this should open up even your eyes, considering you are thinking that Germany is using the EU to enrich itself... so what would that mean if we leave it - and how would that lead to a better live for these idiots?)

These are stated goals.

All of this will literally *kill* the working folk that vote for them. (as they are the most poor and most uneducated, as studies have shown)
You can probably ask just about every single AFD voter and no one will even know this, because they just want brown people to go away.
Most people don't actually care about politics, so they are very susceptible to social media nonsense and fakenews, that's how republicans in the US stay alive too.


That being said, Germany has only the AFD on the right spectrum that can get any meaningful votes.
I could vote for The Greens or The Left if I wanted more left leaning policies, and perhaps even the SPD, and the CDU is central leaning with a nudge towards the right due to popularism and voter-fishing.
So obviously all the right wing idiots unite inside the AFD, while the rest of the spectrum has multiple choices and thus will have their votes divided.

[Vampiregenesis]

This is just extra funny to me now, especially since he is always on about how the EU is not giving his country enough freedom in doing things etc.
Now all of a sudden he says this...

I'm sure the EU is once again good enough for him when it comes to giving him and his peeps some money.




le-flipping-mao.
They are defacto all idiots, yes.
Their voters will suffer the most from their politics. They are entirely running on immigration issues.

The AFD has broken every promise except for the ones that are related to brown people (and that's mostly due to them thankfully not having any power, because they'd even mess that one up). Luckily enough, they had only very few possibilities to show this so far.
And btw... if a party gets 20-30% of the votes, and all other parties aren't pro russian, then that means Germany is not pro russian.

Even if they had 40% and they were the ruling party, 'Germany' in large would still not be pro russian because all the other parties that get more than 5% are on the side of Ukraine.


The AFD is a russian sponsored hostile agent.
Social media and misinformation campaigns is how they get their votes - entirely.


Here is what the AFD stand for:

They don't want to increase salaries of the working class that is living in poverty.
They are planning to exempt the rich from taxes
They want to remove unions.
They want to reduce the social state
They want to exit EU. (this should open up even your eyes, considering you are thinking that Germany is using the EU to enrich itself... so what would that mean if we leave it - and how would that lead to a better live for these idiots?)

These are stated goals.

All of this will literally *kill* the working folk that vote for them. (as they are the most poor and most uneducated, as studies have shown)
You can probably ask just about every single AFD voter and no one will even know this, because they just want brown people to go away.
Most people don't actually care about politics, so they are very susceptible to social media nonsense and fakenews, that's how republicans in the US stay alive too.


That being said, Germany has only the AFD on the right spectrum that can get any meaningful votes.
I could vote for The Greens or The Left if I wanted more left leaning policies, and perhaps even the SPD, and the CDU is central leaning with a nudge towards the right due to popularism and voter-fishing.
So obviously all the right wing idiots unite inside the AFD, while the rest of the spectrum has multiple choices and thus will have their votes divided.

I don't know about German politics but in my country when the people voted for leftist parties expecting that the working class will see a better day, the country was decimated. Literally, the left governments not only they failed to provide an improvement for the lower class, they destroyed the entire country by being very irresponsible and making crazy promises that they couldn't support. Now everyone is voting for the right just because they are more serious and stable but still far from great. The people don't see any difference between center-right and center-left. They consider them the same thing with the only difference that now they view the center-left as very dangerous, unstable and corrupt. The right party in Greece has some far right elements incorporated to it and a tough stance towards immigration, this is a plus for most.

The far right can offer solutions to problems even if it doesn't improve wages and prices, see El Salvador, how their far right leader made his country safe again, it was a living hell before that with gangs running unchecked, you could not move out safely, many were killed. See how Poland-Hungary are essentially immigration free. Orban is being voted since 2010 (I guess elections are still fair there?) and although Hungary is supposed to be poor, they seem to have more purchasing power than many other states and cheap energy.

So, the working class in Germany probably saw its status remaining the same since forever and now they think that it doesn't matter anymore, we at least want to have a safe and homogenous country again. Tbh, I have seen in the news some crazy things occurring in Germany from immigrants, killings, stabbings, terrorism, you don't see anything of this here, there are still problems but if we had something like this, the far right would be first here too.

The far right parties still have a higher chance to improve wages and prices since they tend to be more competitive, serious and stable, I don't think any country saw a decline in this with a far right party. Isolationist policies can also help in some cases. The people here using the nordic countries as an example of left governance forget that the governments on these countries tend to be coalitions with multiple parties, also a large part of their success is attributed to the absence of corruption and solid democracy. It has nothing to do with leftist policies. Despite this, Sweden now has a right party ruling it.

If the left truly delivered what it promises then everyone would vote for them except the entrepreneurs and the most skilled professionals, this isn't the case, they provide nothing, so you keep living in misery while having to deal with unchecked immigration. I wouldn't be surprised if AFD came first in Germany in the next elections and then Germany quit the EU, this is a very possible thing and the EU would end right there, it wouldn't survive this.

[Endus]

I don't know about German politics but in my country when the people voted for leftist parties expecting that the working class will see a better day, the country was decimated. Literally, the left governments not only they failed to provide an improvement for the lower class, they destroyed the entire country by doing the exact opposite of this. Now everyone is voting for the right just because they are more serious and stable but still far from great. The people don't see any difference between center-right and center-left. They consider them the same thing with the only difference that now they view the center-left as very dangerous, unstable and corrupt.

You're speaking for an entire country's worth of people as if they're a hive mind with one single opinion. You're just projecting your views onto your countryfolk. That's it. Again, you provide no basis whatsoever for anyone to take anything you claim seriously. It's all "trust me bro", even when we cite evidence that proves you incorrect.

The far right can offer solutions to problems even if it doesn't improve wages and prices, see El Salvador, how their far right leader made his country safe again, it was a living hell before that with gangs running unchecked, you could not move out safely, many were killed. See how Poland-Hungary are essentially immigration free. Orban is being voted since 2010 (I guess elections are still fair there?) and although Hungary is supposed to be poor, they seem to have more purchasing power than many other states and cheap energy.

Backing far-right authoritarians doesn't really help your claim that you're a reasonable person.

Hitler reduced crime rates, too, y'know. Ignoring all the other heinous abuses that arise from far-right ideologies doesn't actually constitute an argument.

On El Salvador, specifically;
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/202...rs/el-salvador

"A state of emergency adopted in March 2022 that suspended basic rights remains in force. Authorities have committed widespread human rights violations, including mass arbitrary detention, enforced disappearances, ill-treatment in detention, and due process violations."
"Human rights challenges include high levels of poverty and social exclusion, limited transparency and accountability, and violence against women and lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people."

Cool. It's an authoritarian brutality-driven nightmare. But hey, crime's down. You're deeply unserious.

So, the working class in Germany probably saw

I'm gonna cut you off right there, because that word in bold means you're making shit up again, and if you're making shit up, I don't have to entertain it as an argument, because it isn't one.

If the left truly delivered what it promises then everyone would vote for them except the entrepreneurs and the most skilled professionals, this isn't the case, they provide nothing, so you keep living in misery while having to deal with unchecked immigration.

Yeah, Canada and the Nordics are doing so terribly with our largely left-leaning governments. Such misery. Better elect an authoritarian who'll brutalize scapegoats while tearing apart human rights protections, like your heroes.

You don't have an argument. All you have is imaginary bullshit you can't defend or support.

[Vampiregenesis]

Backing far-right authoritarians doesn't really help your claim that you're a reasonable person.

Hitler reduced crime rates, too, y'know. Ignoring all the other heinous abuses that arise from far-right ideologies doesn't actually constitute an argument.

On El Salvador, specifically;
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/202...rs/el-salvador

"A state of emergency adopted in March 2022 that suspended basic rights remains in force. Authorities have committed widespread human rights violations, including mass arbitrary detention, enforced disappearances, ill-treatment in detention, and due process violations."
"Human rights challenges include high levels of poverty and social exclusion, limited transparency and accountability, and violence against women and lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people."

Cool. It's an authoritarian brutality-driven nightmare. But hey, crime's down. You're deeply unserious.

According to what I have read, the situation on EL-Salvador was much more serious than this. I was reading that people could not get out at all. You went out with a friend and you were killed. It's far from having high crime rates, it was an unhabitable hell and most had to leave their country. Most people there praise their government for doing this, many have returned back to their country.

Not every far right party is authoritarian. Saying that far right is bad because El-Salvador is authoritarian is like saying that the left is terrible using Cuba/Venezuela as your examples.

[Endus]

According to what I have read, the situation on EL-Salvador was much more serious than this.

No sources? No argument, no data, literally just you making shit up.

You're not going to convince anyone if you can't back your claims up. "I totally read some things, bro, trust me" isn't backing anything up. It's bullshitting.

I was reading that people could not get out at all. You went out with a friend and you were killed. It's far from having high crime rates, it was an unhabitable hell and most had to leave their country. Most people there praise their government for doing this, many have returned back to their country.

And yet, that's the case now, because of Bukele's harsh brutality.

When the party you're praising is actually, factually doing the shit you're claiming was the status quo before his reign, you're not making an argument. You're revealing your own personal bad faith.

Not every far right party is authoritarian. Saying that far right is bad because El-Salvador is authoritarian is like saying that the left is terrible using Cuba/Venezuela as your examples.

Oh, you mistake me. You can have authoritarian left-leaning views too. I take issues with authoritarianism and far-right ideologies.

But every example you have brought up; Bukele's El Salvador, Orban's Hungary, and the AFD in Germany, they are all far-right authoritarians. That you applaud and support. You are, yourself, a far-right authoritarian. I'm attacking your position and who you support, not drawing the equivalence between authoritarianism and far-right views you're falsely claiming I've made. All three examples are bad because they're authoritarian. And they're all bad because they're far-right. Both are abominable ideologies made no better when combined together.

[Vampiregenesis]

No sources? No argument, no data, literally just you making shit up.

You're not going to convince anyone if you can't back your claims up. "I totally read some things, bro, trust me" isn't backing anything up. It's bullshitting.



And yet, that's the case now, because of Bukele's harsh brutality.

When the party you're praising is actually, factually doing the shit you're claiming was the status quo before his reign, you're not making an argument. You're revealing your own personal bad faith.



Oh, you mistake me. You can have authoritarian left-leaning views too. I take issues with authoritarianism and far-right ideologies.

But every example you have brought up; Bukele's El Salvador, Orban's Hungary, and the AFD in Germany, they are all far-right authoritarians. That you applaud and support. You are, yourself, a far-right authoritarian. I'm attacking your position and who you support, not drawing the equivalence between authoritarianism and far-right views you're falsely claiming I've made. All three examples are bad because they're authoritarian. And they're all bad because they're far-right. Both are abominable ideologies made no better when combined together.

Then why Orban is voted since 2010? Since he is so bad? Don't tell me that you need sources for this too?

A friendly reminded, Hungary is in the EU.

There are other far right countries too.

Poland is far right, Sweden has a coalition of right and far right. Guess why? How is it possible for a country like Sweden, the most leftist country in Europe with great living standards to choose a right party? Immigrants + Gang Problem, that is. Italy is far right too although it has failed to deliver (still very popular there)
Israel has a far right party too. Japan has a far right/isolationist mentality since forever.

But let me guess, the far right is bad and always fascist.

I'm personally liberal since I'm a freelancer and benefit from lower taxes but I approve of some far right/protectionism policies. I'm not full far right though like hating someone for his skin color or nationality, for me this is wrong assuming that the person is willing to integrate into our society. However if someone from a different country/culture with a criminal record and/or unwillingness to integrate is trying to come to my country illegally then yes, I believe we should be harsh with them. I also dislike those foreigners who inflate the local real estate market, not sure if this is considered far right or leftist.

[alach]

What have you done to this thread?!

Orbán: The Art of Eroding a Democracy
In 2010, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán came to power. Since then, he and his party, Fidesz, have systematically dismantled the country’s legal system and changed the election system to ensure future election victories. It is becoming harder and harder to criticise the government’s actions due to increasing restrictions by the government on the freedoms for media and civil society. It is not surprising that Fidesz won two-thirds of the seats in parliament 2014 and 2018, despite receiving less than 50 per cent of the votes in the 2014 and 2018 parliamentary elections.

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The answer in most those cases simply is lying and cheating. Just like the Republicans are trying to do in the States or farage did in the UK.

Sorry, but please, no more.

[Endus]

Then why Orban is voted since 2010? Since he is so bad? Don't tell me that you need sources for this too?

Why did people vote for the Nazis?

Hate is often popular. Doesn't make it justifiable.

A friendly reminded, Hungary is in the EU.

There are other far right countries too.

Poland is far right, Sweden has a coalition of right and far right. Guess why? How is it possible for a country like Sweden, the most leftist country in Europe with great living standards to choose a right party? Immigrants + Gang Problem, that is. Italy is far right too although it has failed to deliver (still very popular there)
Israel has a far right party too. Japan has a far right/isolationist mentality since forever.

Why would any of this matter? You're just making an appeal to popularity fallacy on a grand scale here.

You're also being explicitly racist, so that's fun.

But let me guess, the far right is bad and always fascist.

Nah. You're putting words in my mouth. That's "making shit up", again.

I'm personally liberal since I'm a freelancer and benefit from lower taxes but I approve of some far right/protectionism policies. I'm not full far right though like hating someone for his skin color or nationality, for me this is wrong assuming that the person is willing to integrate into our society. However if someone from a different country/culture with a criminal record and/or unwillingness to integrate is trying to come to my country illegally then yes, I believe we should be harsh with them. I also dislike those foreigners who inflate the local real estate market, not sure if this is considered far right or leftist.

Yeah, there's the open racism again.

And before you misinterpret; expecting "integration" to any degree beyond "abiding by civic duties like paying taxes and obeying the laws of their new country" is racism. If you're expecting cultural integration, you're expecting the extermination of their own culture to adopt your own. And that's one of many things that falls under "racism".

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What have you done to this thread?!

Y'know, you're right. I'm gonna leave it here, we really should be talking about Ukraine and Russia.

[Mayhem]

See, that's the issue I have with these far-right loons. They kind of deep down in their little black hearts know that their culture is actually shitty. After all, if it were as superior as they tell it is, they wouldn't need people to be integrated forcefully; immigrants would adopt the "better" culture by themselves over time, because it is "better". It's also telling when the actual suggested policy is "make life worse here so they don't want to come" which is just so pants-on-head stupid I can't believe people would vote for that.

Also, protectionism isn't a far-right policy; it's the opposite of far-right policy, far-right policy is take for yourself, sell for profit, don't give a shit about population, and go to war because you ruined everything. Protectionism was typically a left-wing policy aimed at protecting worker rights and shielding against international competition and worse labour laws.

[Vampiregenesis]

See, that's the issue I have with these far-right loons. They kind of deep down in their little black hearts know that their culture is actually shitty. After all, if it were as superior as they tell it is, they wouldn't need people to be integrated forcefully; immigrants would adopt the "better" culture by themselves over time, because it is "better". It's also telling when the actual suggested policy is "make life worse here so they don't want to come" which is just so pants-on-head stupid I can't believe people would vote for that.

Also, protectionism isn't a far-right policy; it's the opposite of far-right policy, far-right policy is take for yourself, sell for profit, don't give a shit about population, and go to war because you ruined everything. Protectionism was typically a left-wing policy aimed at protecting worker rights and shielding against international competition and worse labour laws.

Well, this is what the far-right aims to offer, social security and cohesion. Some countries have a far-right mentality by default, they don't need a far-right party to do all of these, as I said Poland, Israel and Japan are some examples of this. Also, some cultures such as Islam (from ultra religious states) are incompatible with European secularism, they don't like us eating pork, they don't like how our women dress, they want us to build them mosques to pray, they want to be taught in arabic, they attack israeli tourists, they come over here to promote the sharia law over the secular law. When your culture is on an open conflict with mine then we have a problem. Not every culture is equal. I have no problem with cultures who can coexist with mine. Integration mean learning the language, participate in the economy, be happy being part of the country and accept it as your own. When integration is lacking, you get ghettos, social exclusion and high crime rates. There is nothing more humane than wanting someone to integrate in one's country.

I always though that protectionism is more of a far-right policy because it promotes nativism. I thought the left is supposed to be globalist/internationalist. Anyway, I guess in this regard, I can be leftist, some markets should be regulated.

Back to the topic

Some believe that Russia is training 350k+ troops in Belarus to invade Europe when the Ukraine conflict is starting to freeze. This is interesting, not sure what they have in their minds and why they would do that but the number is really big if true.

Here is a source: https://x.com/paulmasonnews/status/2001336422599659740

I guess that's a bot too?

[Gabriel]

Well, this is what the far-right aims to offer, social security and cohesion. Some countries have a far-right mentality by default, they don't need a far-right party to do all of these, as I said Poland, Israel and Japan are some examples of this. Also, some cultures such as Islam (from ultra religious states) are incompatible with European secularism, they don't like us eating pork, they don't like how our women dress, they want us to build them mosques to pray, they want to be taught in arabic, they attack israeli tourists, they come over here to promote the sharia law over the secular law. When your culture is on an open conflict with mine then we have a problem. Not every culture is equal. I have no problem with cultures who can coexist with mine. Integration mean learning the language, participate in the economy, be happy being part of the country and accept it as your own. When integration is lacking, you get ghettos, social exclusion and high crime rates. There is nothing more humane than wanting someone to integrate in one's country.

I always though that protectionism is more of a far-right policy because it promotes nativism. I thought the left is supposed to be globalist/internationalist. Anyway, I guess in this regard, I can be leftist, some markets should be regulated.

Back to the topic

Some believe that Russia is training 350k+ troops in Belarus to invade Europe when the Ukraine conflict is starting to freeze. This is interesting, not sure what they have in their minds and why they would do that but the number is really big if true.

Here is a source: https://x.com/paulmasonnews/status/2001336422599659740

I guess that's a bot too?

Ahhhh there we go. Finally you told us the real reason you hate the EU.

[Attackrabbit]

Also, some cultures such as Islam (from ultra religious states) are incompatible with European secularism, they don't like us eating pork, they don't like how our women dress, they want us to build them mosques to pray, they want to be taught in arabic, they attack israeli tourists, they come over here to promote the sharia law over the secular law.

Had to dig out firefox again to quote this motherfucker ^^
I live in an area that is probably close to 50% muslim residents. My experience has told me they are very accepting of most things, don't try to push their religeon on others, always happy to chat on the street, love the english speaking schools with good performance metrics - some even prefer to send their kids to the Welsh language schools. This is far better than the fucking Christians in the area (I live a couple of doors down from an Evangelical church) who are always putting leaflets through the door about why we need to join their church or are we going to hell, won't actually talk to anyone who isn't a member of their church and cause all sorts of chaos with events taking up all the parking in the area that is meant to be for residents, loud as fuck music blasted over speakers past acceptable times at night etc.

On the attacking Israeli tourists bit, well Israel made it's bed, maybe they should stop attacking Muslim countries? I don't agree with attacking israeli tourists but it's certainly not something that keeps me up at night.

[Vampiregenesis]

Had to dig out firefox again to quote this motherfucker ^^
I live in an area that is probably close to 50% muslim residents. My experience has told me they are very accepting of most things, don't try to push their religeon on others, always happy to chat on the street, love the english speaking schools with good performance metrics - some even prefer to send their kids to the Welsh language schools. This is far better than the fucking Christians in the area (I live a couple of doors down from an Evangelical church) who are always putting leaflets through the door about why we need to join their church or are we going to hell, won't actually talk to anyone who isn't a member of their church and cause all sorts of chaos with events taking up all the parking in the area that is meant to be for residents, loud as fuck music blasted over speakers past acceptable times at night etc.

On the attacking Israeli tourists bit, well Israel made it's bed, maybe they should stop attacking Muslim countries? I don't agree with attacking israeli tourists but it's certainly not something that keeps me up at night.

I would actually like to have christians in my area like the ones you describe, although I'm agnostic, not christian. Many years ago, I was living next to the American embassy of my country where massive protests tend to take place from leftists. Those were fun times, I could see the crowd from my balcony or my bathroom's window. I like living in an alive area and I like noise too. Tbh, western christians are more social, they organize events etc, orthodoxy is boring.

I wouldn't feel comfortable living in an area with 50% muslims and eventually becoming the minority and be ruled by them one day. There are some areas like this here and they have a very bad name. Several content makers have made a career advertising how horrific they are. Also, most of the muslims in Greece are illegally here and they only entered the country recently, they are not for many generations here. Most of them want to leave and go to Germany, they don't care about Greece.

[Azadina]

Well, this is what the far-right aims to offer, social security and cohesion. Some countries have a far-right mentality by default, they don't need a far-right party to do all of these, as I said Poland, Israel and Japan are some examples of this. Also, some cultures such as Islam (from ultra religious states) are incompatible with European secularism, they don't like us eating pork, they don't like how our women dress, they want us to build them mosques to pray, they want to be taught in arabic, they attack israeli tourists, they come over here to promote the sharia law over the secular law. When your culture is on an open conflict with mine then we have a problem. Not every culture is equal. I have no problem with cultures who can coexist with mine. Integration mean learning the language, participate in the economy, be happy being part of the country and accept it as your own. When integration is lacking, you get ghettos, social exclusion and high crime rates. There is nothing more humane than wanting someone to integrate in one's country.

Shit, so that's what it was! When the muslim neighbors (downstairs apartment) one time complained about us having run the washing machine too early in the morning, we took it to mean we ran the washing machine too early in the morning, and promised to pay closer attention to the time since then. But now you're saying it was actually them forcing sharia law on us! Damn, thanks for opening my eyes to the truth!

Or....maybe it was about the noise from the washing machine too early in the morning, and they were being respectful neighbors? And you're just spouting horseshit? That might be it, actually.