Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Vampiregenesis]

with fucking turkey

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a) you're a Ruzzkie troll
b) you're justifiably pissed at Northern European hegemony but unable to direct your anger in anything other than a ultra-nationalistic, self-defeating, fucking farcical diatribes that will not in the least way help your country or its people

either fucking way, get a grip

Well, they are the 2nd strongest army in NATO with an incredible military industry, they are not a random country. They have already invaded in one country and have presence on others.

Is your Denmark ready to repel US attempts on Greenland? do they even invest enough to achieve this or they have given up already?

[alach]

Well, they are the 2nd strongest army in NATO with an incredible military industry, they are not a random country. They have already invaded in one country and have presence on others.

As usual, we thank you for your insight and enlightened ideas on this matter. We appreciate your invaluable opinion, and continue to be thankful to you that we do not share it.

[Gabriel]

Well, they are the 2nd strongest army in NATO with an incredible military industry, they are not a random country. They have already invaded in one country and have presence on others.

Is your Denmark ready to repel US attempts on Greenland? do they even invest enough to achieve this or they have given up already?

How about you go back to complaining about immigrants somewhere else and leave the threat alone.

[Lahis]

I can't believe I was so stupid thinking for 4 years that Putin was the enemy and biggest threat to peace on Earth.
Though trump never kept his disdain for NATO or his hatred of democracies secret, I was fooled by the whole "checks and balances" shtick that turned out to be meaningless.

Trump found the impeccable loophole in the system called "Nobody will fucking stop me."

European countries will hit US with unprecedented levels of Monitoring The Situation Very Carefully once the invasion of Greenland begins.

[Neufab]

Hope you are learning Mandarin, cause if racist ass trump takes Greenland that will be the end of NATO and the Western alliances. America would become a rogue nation and the world's only superpower.
My only hope is that the American troops refuse the, at this point, inevitable orders when the time comes.

The thing is...this complete idiot who complains every day about the top governed EU bureaucracy also happens to love the much much more top governed Chinese bureaucracy where nothing gets done without a bribe and the party owns your soul.

Words can not properly describe his ignorance and hypocrisy.

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Is your Denmark ready to repel US attempts on Greenland? do they even invest enough to achieve this or they have given up already?

Complete fucking fascist idiot strikes again.

How is any 6 million people nation going to defend anything against the US?

[Gorsameth]

The thing is...this complete idiot who complains every day about the top governed EU bureaucracy also happens to love the much much more top governed Chinese bureaucracy where nothing gets done without a bribe and the party owns your soul.

Words can not properly describe his ignorance and hypocrisy.

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Complete fucking fascist idiot strikes again.

How is any 6 million people nation going to defend anything against the US?

*literally no one in the world can defend against the US if they decided they want to invade you.
Most of the world combined couldn't.

[Vampiregenesis]

b) you're justifiably pissed at Northern European hegemony but unable to direct your anger in anything other than a ultra-nationalistic, self-defeating, fucking farcical diatribes that will not in the least way help your country or its people

either fucking way, get a grip

So you accept that there is a north European Hegemony in EU? also, you are saying that its ok if the Scandinavian countries rule the world since they are doing so well with their social democracies.

How is that different from Maga and Trump supporters?

If you see what they are saying, it's exactly the same, "we are the best and strongest so we must rule", "Venezuelans are happy that we will rule them since we are so good and we will upgrade their broken infrastructure which they couldn't do on their own". Everyone from his own perspective is the best and strongest so he should rule. This is a Hitler like mentality. The reality is that while Venezuela has been a brutal dictatorship with an incompetent leader, it was also under very tough sanctions which broke its economy.

*literally no one in the world can defend against the US if they decided they want to invade you.
Most of the world combined couldn't.

I disagree. This is a myth.

Denmark CAN make a US invasion very costly if it has the support of entire EU and Canada. First of all, they can start by placing some troops over there and expelling the Americans, it's not like they face pressure on other fronts, they can focus on Greenland if they want to. They can also ask for nuclear deterrence from France. All it takes is some political will to get it done.

But guess what, I bet they have already given up and probably they are willing to sell it to the US. Most of the north European states became vassals of the US after ww2, they view the US as their big brother, I doubt they are capable to view the US as an adversary despite what they are saying on public. They are conformist states living under US protection. They are way too dependent on the US on so many levels. This is also why that any project that aims to unite Europe will never progress.

We live in the age of European humiliation.

[Mayhem]

How is that different from Maga and Trump supporters?

Right? How is working for the people, and actively making their lives better, so much different from arresting your neighbors and looting the country while receiving bribes?

I mean, that's basically the same.

Just for shits and giggles, have you tried to use your brain, just once?

[diller]

I like how Denmark refused France offer to deploy EU troops in Greenland

Where exactly did it say that?

[Mayhem]

Where exactly did it say that?

In his mind, and that's what counts!

[Kumorii]

In his mind, and that's what counts!

French interview.
https://www.sudradio.fr/linvite-poli...an-noel-barrot

Granted I don't know french so I've translated it.
But yes, it seems like they were offering troops and Denmark refused it at the moment and rather increase their own military funding than relying on outside forces.
French is still there when needed though and it is indeed a refusal, but not in the sense that's it's impossible and will never happen if required. Just that it's not currently required or necessary.

Which is a diplomatic move at this stage.

[diller]

But yes, it seems like they were offering troops and Denmark refused it

I think it's the wording is the problem here, "refused" is a loaded word, and I don't think it's the correct term.

[Kumorii]

I think it's the wording is the problem here, "refused" is a loaded word, and I don't think it's the correct term.

Sounded like you guys wanted a source tbh, not that the wording was the issue. Think I gave more context as well that it wasn't a permanent and definitive refusal that would stand forever in all circumstances. Just at the moment.
We can say turn down as well, doesn't matter to me. I simply just gave a source of current events.

[Mayhem]

French interview.
https://www.sudradio.fr/linvite-poli...an-noel-barrot

Granted I don't know french so I've translated it.
But yes, it seems like they were offering troops and Denmark refused it at the moment and rather increase their own military funding than relying on outside forces.
French is still there when needed though and it is indeed a refusal, but not in the sense that's it's impossible and will never happen if required. Just that it's not currently required or necessary.

Which is a diplomatic move at this stage.

Oh, we went over this already. It's the context he tries to present it as. As if Denmark basically flinched before anything even happened.

It's weird when basic diplomacy is already somehow outlandish.

[alach]

I too agree with the brain using idea.

[LeGin v4]

So you accept that there is a north European Hegemony in EU? also, you are saying that its ok if the Scandinavian countries rule the world since they are doing so well with their social democracies.

How is that different from Maga and Trump supporters?

If you see what they are saying, it's exactly the same, "we are the best and strongest so we must rule", "Venezuelans are happy that we will rule them since we are so good and we will upgrade their broken infrastructure which they couldn't do on their own". Everyone from his own perspective is the best and strongest so he should rule. This is a Hitler like mentality. The reality is that while Venezuela has been a brutal dictatorship with an incompetent leader, it was also under very tough sanctions which broke its economy.

Hmmms. Let's see.

Scandinavian democracies enjoy: the strong rule of law & high social trust. They are socially liberal (tick) and benefit from low corruption / high human development.

vs

US: a democracy under strain due to the, frankly, fucking unfathomable actions of demented, narcissistic, buffoon and his clusterfuck of arse-lickers & selfish, moronic supporters who have eroded democratic norms, politicised institutions, and widened inequality at the same time as celebrating racial and social injustices.

vs

Russia: centralised authoritarian governance under a sociopathic tyrant who has sent 1.2m of his weakest, poorest citizens to their death or injury in the Ukraine meat-grinder. Russia is the absolute epitome of oligarchic crony capitalism. Weak rule of law, constrained civil liberties, "justified' by aggressive & destructive ultranationalism.

Which one would I pick to fight for... take a wild fucking guess.

You carry on fighting Turkey. All good.

[Poopymonster]

I think it's the wording is the problem here, "refused" is a loaded word, and I don't think it's the correct term.

Declined is probably the word that should have been used.

[alach]

Big story from yesterday, all those meetings show some results.
Zelensky, UK, France sign declaration on multinational force in Ukraine post-war

President Volodymyr Zelensky, French President Emmanuel Macron, and British Prime Minister Keir Starmer on Jan. 6 signed a declaration of intent for a post-war deployment of a multinational force in Ukraine.

The news comes as Zelensky met with European leaders and U.S. envoys in Paris to discuss security guarantees for Kyiv, part of Washington's renewed efforts to broker a peace deal with Moscow.

The summit, held within the Coalition of the Willing framework, saw the partners agree on "robust" and "legally binding guarantees" to ensure Ukraine's post-war security.

It may not sound like much, but security guarantees were pretty important.

And another one, a rumor, because nothing the trump administration can be believed at face value.
Russia offered to 'swap' Venezuela for Ukraine in 2019, Trump adviser testimony claims

During U.S. President Donald Trump's first term, Russian officials signaled they would be willing to let Washington pursue its interests freely in Venezuela if the U.S. let Moscow do the same in Ukraine, former Trump adviser Fiona Hill said in a 2019 congressional hearing.

Hill's comments have gained widespread attention in the aftermath of Trump's Jan. 3 attack on Venezuela and capture of dictator Nicolas Maduro, a Kremlin ally.

Years before the Venezuela attack, and before the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the Kremlin in April 2019 floated the possibility of giving up its influence in Venezuela for unimpeded control of Ukraine, according to Hill, then a senior adviser to Trump.

Russian officials "were signaling very strongly that they wanted to somehow make some very strange swap arrangement between Venezuela and Ukraine," Hill told lawmakers during a hearing in November 2019.

I don't know if I believe this.

[Gorsameth]

Big story from yesterday, all those meetings show some results.
Zelensky, UK, France sign declaration on multinational force in Ukraine post-war

It may not sound like much, but security guarantees were pretty important.

And another one, a rumor, because nothing the trump administration can be believed at face value.
Russia offered to 'swap' Venezuela for Ukraine in 2019, Trump adviser testimony claims


I don't know if I believe this.

It doesn't sound like much and it isn't much because security guarantees for after a war that has no end in sight are easy to make.

[Vampiregenesis]

Is Denmark interested in the long term value of Greenland and are they capable to build the infrastructure that's required? If not then I can see them selling it to the US and working a deal with them. It seems Greenland cost them money atm. I doubt there will be a war over it. Of course, a serious united Europe with ambitions would want to keep Greenland for itself. it will be very valuable in the future.