Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Vampiregenesis]

What are you talking about? Turks and Greeks are the same people and Greece isn't even a real country. It was Turkish for 450+ years and only gained illegitimate sovreignity because the Ottoman empire fell. Now that Turkey got a strong leader its time for Greece to come home again.

Why are you so adamant that a war has to be fought and lives lost over Turkish territory? Just surrender your fake nation and save lives. Save the lives dude.

What a hypocritical joke you are...

I don't get your point but the Turks never really cared about Greece, that's why unlike Anatolia, Greece didn't underwent Turkification and had a lot of autonomy in the empire. They only wanted us for the tax. Greece and Minor Asia and even Crimea existed under the same empires for more than 2100 years and the presence of Greeks in Minor Asia go back to 1000+BC, Greeks are probably the first group that inhabited Crimea too. Nevertheless, Greeks and Anatolians developed differently, there wasn't much relation between each other. Despite the freedom of movement inside the empires, the people mostly stayed in their lands and experienced a different history. It wasn't so easy to move.

It doesn't make sense to call Greece Turkish, this is like calling Romania/Hungary/East Germany Russian. Or calling the entire Balkans Turkish.

I don't support illegal invasions but the comparisons here do not make any sense.

[Neufab]

I don't get your point but the Turks never really cared about Greece, that's why unlike Anatolia, Greece didn't underwent Turkification and had a lot of autonomy in the empire. They only wanted us for the tax. Greece and Minor Asia and even Crimea existed under the same empires for more than 2100 years and the presence of Greeks in Minor Asia go back to 1000+BC, Greeks are probably the first group that inhabited Crimea. Nevertheless, Greeks and Anatolians developed differently, there wasn't much relation between each other. Despite the freedom of movement inside the empires, the people mostly stayed in their lands. It wasn't so easy to move.

It doesn't make sense to call Greece Turkish, this is like calling Romania Turkish or Russian.

Of course you don't get my point. Your salary depends on you not getting it.

[Edge-]

Is Denmark interested in the long term value of Greenland and are they capable to build the infrastructure that's required?

Required for what?

It's funny that here's another instance where you don't seem to think about what the people who actually live there may want.

How incredibly fucking weird.

[Wilian]

Of course you don't get my point. Your salary depends on you not getting it.

In all honesty, while there has been clearly malicious posters in here that you could even argue that they could be on a payroll, in Vampire's case I believe it's simple and plain lack of capacity for intelligence, process of thought, capability to rationalize or ability to formulate a complex thought.

In other words, under the saying of "Imagine how fucking dumb an average person is, and half of them are even dumber" Vampire would be perfect example of a person who drags down both median and average intelligence of entire human race down.

[Vampiregenesis]

Required for what?

It's funny that here's another instance where you don't seem to think about what the people who actually live there may want.

How incredibly fucking weird.

So, do you think that 57k people can deny others from harvesting resources on such resource heavy island especially with climate change around the corner?

The earth's resources belong to every human and denying them from being exported should be a crime.

The people there will eventually have to compromise and accept that there will be some big projects on their island and I guess they themselves don't have the means to pull it off so it will either be Denmark who already gives them 600 million per year or the US will take them.

Anyway, I never said that Denmark should give it for free to the US but it may worth working a deal with the people over there and the US if the gains outweigh the gains of keeping it. Many understood incorrectly what I said and made the comparison with Greece/Turkey. If we could sell an island to Turkey and the gains would outweigh the gains of keeping it then I would support such decision.

It seems that the Europeans are trying to create a plan about a potential US invasion so I guess Denmark has decided to fight back. It will be interesting. I don't believe that Trump is crazy enough to attack European armies. It's France that leads these initiatives, the rest of Europe is sleeping.

[Edge-]

So, do you think that 57k people can deny others from harvesting resources on such resource heavy island especially with climate change around the corner?

As noted: You don't seem to think about what the people who actually live there may want.

Seems you're of the same "might makes right" mentality as Putin, Stephen Miller, Donald, and NED Funded. Which is weird given all your crying about domestic weakness, but I digress.

The earth's resources belong to every human and denying them from being exported should be a crime.

This is, actually, genuinely, unhinged. Unless you're making a global communism argument, which you're not. So yeah, just unhinged nonsense.

The people there will eventually have to compromise and accept that there will be some big projects on their island and I guess they themselves don't have the means to pull it off so it will either be Denmark who already gives them 600 million per year or the US will take them.

Why? Because you don't give a shit about sovereignty? Why are all weirdo conservative actually just anarchists who don't understand what they believe, apparently?

[Endus]

So, do you think that 57k people can deny others from harvesting resources on such resource heavy island especially with climate change around the corner?

The earth's resources belong to every human and denying them from being exported should be a crime.

Nope. Wrong on every single count. Literally nothing you said here is true.

The population of Greenland "own" Greenland and its resources. No one else has any right to those resources. Arguing otherwise is a direct attack on national sovereignty even as a basic concept. Which is insane. I'm sure you'd be fine if Turks moved in and kicked all Greeks out of Greece because they want the resources in Greece, right? I don't think even you actually believe the utter bullshit you're spouting.

You're making arguments the Nazis used to justify their rapid expansion. Literal Nazi thinking.

[Gorsameth]

Clearly Vampire really wished that Germany just strait up annexed Greece during the Euro crisis because clearly those weak people are incompetent.
Much rather give all those resources to Germany so they can create ein tausendjähriges reich.
*cough* ehm, sorry about that. got a little carried away.

[Vampiregenesis]

Nope. Wrong on every single count. Literally nothing you said here is true.

The population of Greenland "own" Greenland and its resources. No one else has any right to those resources. Arguing otherwise is a direct attack on national sovereignty even as a basic concept. Which is insane. I'm sure you'd be fine if Turks moved in and kicked all Greeks out of Greece because they want the resources in Greece, right? I don't think even you actually believe the utter bullshit you're spouting.

You're making arguments the Nazis used to justify their rapid expansion. Literal Nazi thinking.

Sometimes I wonder if my English are so bad because you people seem to understand whatever you want from what I say.

Where did I say that these people should be kicked from the island or they should have their resources stolen?

All I said is that these people should be cooperative in the extraction of their resources if they can't pull it off themselves, both them and mankind will earn from this.

If the Greeks had natural resources and denied their extraction then sure, that would be wrong. The Greeks DO have natural resources and they cooperate for their extraction.

Of course, a fair deal should be worked with every player involved. Not a colonialist deal.

[tehealadin]

Sometimes I wonder if my English are so bad because you people seem to understand whatever you want from what I say.

Where did I say that these people should be kicked from the island or they should have their resources stolen?

All I said is that these people should be cooperative in the extraction of their resources if they can't pull it off themselves, both them and mankind will earn from this.

If the Greeks had natural resources and denied their extraction then sure, that would be wrong. The Greeks DO have natural resources and they cooperate for their extraction.

Of course, a fair deal should be worked with every player involved. Not a colonialist deal.

Why do other countries have a right/entitlement to another countries resources?

Edit: Like, I get if say country A was the only one capable of producing food, and country B has no means. It would be essential to the survival of B to gain access to those resources. However, this isn't what we are talking about.

[Endus]

Sometimes I wonder if my English are so bad because you people seem to understand whatever you want from what I say.

Where did I say that these people should be kicked from the island or they should have their resources stolen?

When you said that the resources "belong to every human".

Did you forget what you yourself wrote? I even quoted it, man. Stop gaslighting people.

All I said is that these people should be cooperative in the extraction of their resources if they can't pull it off themselves, both them and mankind will earn from this.

1> No, you fucking did not say that, and I quoted you exactly not saying that.
2> You are, again, denying the existence of sovereignty as a concept, here, and saying their resources should be stolen. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Your English is fine. Your problem is that you're a liar and a fascist.

[Vampiregenesis]

Clearly Vampire really wished that Germany just strait up annexed Greece during the Euro crisis because clearly those weak people are incompetent.
Much rather give all those resources to Germany so they can create ein tausendjähriges reich.
*cough* ehm, sorry about that. got a little carried away.

Again, this stupidity.

When did I say and these people should have their island annexed?

Whatever, since you mentioned it, Germany did in fact annexed Greece, the entire country has been bought by them. This was the goal all along. My country is actually occupied.

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Why do other countries have a right/entitlement to another countries resources?

Edit: Like, I get if say country A was the only one capable of producing food, and country B has no means. It would be essential to the survival of B to gain access to those resources. However, this isn't what we are talking about.

Well, without the resources we can't progress as a race? it's not any less important than food. Some countries don't have access to any resources.

If resources were not a serious problem then you wouldn't have the entire Europe buying oil from Putin.

[Edge-]

wait, damnit, vampire has us talking about something that's not russia or ukraine again

curious how that happens, innit?

[Endus]

Again, this stupidity.

When did I say and these people should have their island annexed?

Whatever, since you mentioned it, Germany did in fact annexed Greece, the entire country has been bought by them. This was the goal all along. My country is actually occupied.

Again, just an open and unapologetic lie.

Well, without the resources we can't progress as a race? it's not any less important than food. Some countries don't have access to any resources.

The resources still exist. You just don't get to steal them on the basis of "we want 'em". If your country doesn't have enough resources, buy 'em from those who do. Or deal with your internal problems.

Nothing entitles you to violate the sovereignty of others to take whatever the fuck you want against their will. If they wanted to trade with you, they would. If they don't, fuck off.

[Gabriel]

Of course, a fair deal should be worked with every player involved. Not a colonialist deal.

My man you said that refusing to share the resources should be a crime.

So how should the Greece islanders be punished for refusing to cede the islands to Turkey?

[tehealadin]

Well, without the resources we can't progress as a race? it's not any less important than food. Some countries don't have access to any resources.

If resources were not a serious problem then you wouldn't have the entire Europe buying oil from Putin.

Eh? None of that justifies the idea that country A has a right to the resources of country B, and can use force to take them.

[Endus]

wait, damnit, vampire has us talking about something that's not russia or ukraine again

curious how that happens, innit?

Well, he's just parroting the Russian "we'll just invade and take what we want" attitude where other nation's sovereignty is just an inconvenient hurdle. To bring it back to that topic, because Vampire's clearly a pro-Russia type even if they don't have the good conscience to admit it openly.

[Vampiregenesis]

When you said that the resources "belong to every human".

Did you forget what you yourself wrote? I even quoted it, man. Stop gaslighting people.



1> No, you fucking did not say that, and I quoted you exactly not saying that.
2> You are, again, denying the existence of sovereignty as a concept, here, and saying their resources should be stolen. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Your English is fine. Your problem is that you're a liar and a fascist.

Stolen =/= working a fair deal

[Endus]

Stolen =/= working a fair deal

You started with stealing. I'm rejecting your dishonest attempt to desperately shift goalposts once you realized you'd been a little too honest.

"Working a fair deal" does not start with insisting you have a right to those resources. That's where you started.

[Edge-]

Stolen =/= working a fair deal

ok and if the other party doesn't want to make a deal there's no deal

congrats welcome to reality now let's get back to russia's failed invasion of ukraine and how they're running generations of men through the meatgrinder to service their weird dictators whims