1. #5021
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Let me put it in terms you would understand, would you trust Chinese news outlets to shape your views of our politicians? I say given everything it's good news so many Russians do oppose Putin, we should also keep in mind that Russian polling is not exactly accurate.
    I understood just fine, I simply disagree with you.

    Russians have access to the outside world, and are not beholden to only state-backed news. This isn't some new phenomenon, Putin has been a murderous asshat for quite some time.

    So, let all those Russians who oppose him announce themselves right now. Also, what dictator did you grow up under?

  2. #5022
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    It's not apathy that gets people reported to the FSB. And that happens a lot. Plenty of them know, some of them are against it, but there's no shortage of those who support it.
    I am sure plenty support it , I am saying it's pretty darn hard bubble to get out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    I understood just fine, I simply disagree with you.

    Russians have access to the outside world, and are not beholden to only state-backed news. This isn't some new phenomenon, Putin has been a murderous asshat for quite some time.

    So, let all those Russians who oppose him announce themselves right now.
    You didn't answer the question would you trust the Chinese to get you out of the American bubble? you have access to the outside world too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Nice propaganda, comrade. You are literally pushing Russian state media crap and memes they were spamming for years. "Klichko got hit in the head a bit too many times and Zelensky is a clown" - stock Solovyev playbook crap. I heard that shit myself.
    It's ok, I bet you're one of those who heard "Ukraine got invaded by Russia" and got upset with no previous knowledge of the conflict, besides maybe hearing about Crimea and forgetting about it 1 month later.

  4. #5024
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    I am sure plenty support it , I am saying it's pretty darn hard bubble to get out of it.

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    You didn't answer the question would you trust the Chinese to get you out of the American bubble? you have access to the outside world too.
    I did answer the question, and wasn't really that short about it. You tried to be condescending, whilst avoiding the other poster's question about what country you grew up in.

    I read multiple foreign publications, so it's really not that damn difficult.

    Your turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawberry View Post
    It's ok, I bet you're one of those who heard "Ukraine got invaded by Russia" and got upset with no previous knowledge of the conflict, besides maybe hearing about Crimea and forgetting about it 1 month later.
    Yes, Ukraine did get invaded by Russia.

    You are aware that happened... right?

  5. #5025
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    I understood just fine, I simply disagree with you.

    Russians have access to the outside world, and are not beholden to only state-backed news. This isn't some new phenomenon, Putin has been a murderous asshat for quite some time.

    So, let all those Russians who oppose him announce themselves right now. Also, what dictator did you grow up under?
    Your used to a cosy Western nation where you can oppose the government without ending up in a literal gulag.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawberry View Post
    It's ok, I bet you're one of those who heard "Ukraine got invaded by Russia" and got upset with no previous knowledge of the conflict, besides maybe hearing about Crimea and forgetting about it 1 month later.
    I was born and raised in Ukraine, but I'm also ethnically Russian. Don't you worry, I know very well both sides of this shitshow much more than you do in your "Sweden/Yugoslavia".

  7. #5027
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Your used to a cosy Western nation where you can oppose the government without ending up in a literal gulag.
    They picked the guy who wants to throw them in gulags.

    And yet, look at what they have been doing in this very thread... pushing lies, misinformation, and simply shilling for that regime. I even said I understood them simply not saying anything, keeping their heads down, and hoping Putin simply disappears at some point.

  8. #5028
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    I did answer the question, and wasn't really that short about it. You tried to be condescending, whilst avoiding the other poster's question about what country you grew up in.

    I read multiple foreign publications, so it's really not that damn difficult.

    Your turn.
    I grew up under the Doc regime in Haiti, it's easy to say things like that when you don't have to worry about literal death squads kidnapping you in the middle of the night or grow up learning every caliber of gun by having them put you to sleep at night.

  9. #5029
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    They picked the guy who wants to throw them in gulags.

    And yet, look at what they have been doing in this very thread... pushing lies, misinformation, and simply shilling for that regime. I even said I understood them simply not saying anything, keeping their heads down, and hoping Putin simply disappears at some point.
    They didn't pick Putin lol. Russia hasn't had actual honest elections in forever.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  10. #5030
    Quote Originally Posted by Strawberry View Post
    It's ok, I bet you're one of those who heard "Ukraine got invaded by Russia" and got upset with no previous knowledge of the conflict, besides maybe hearing about Crimea and forgetting about it 1 month later.
    How about you respond to his arguments? because what you're doing now is laying on your belly with your hand on your head yelling at the person who's walking over you pretending that you're superiors while not even having ground to stand on.

  11. #5031
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    I grew up under the Doc regime in Haiti, it's easy to say things like that you when you don't have to worry about literal death squads kidnapping you in the middle of the night or grow up falling learning every caliber of gun by having them put you to sleep at night.
    Ad yet, tey come on here to shill for those literal death squads.

    Did you shill for death squads, or did you want nothing more than to get out from under a fucking tyrant?

    I know plenty about tyrants, and have seen their handiwork firsthand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    They didn't pick Putin lol. Russia hasn't had actual honest elections in forever.
    And yet, they shill for him in these forums, as well as all the others.

    I certainly don't hate all Russians, I simply despise blind allegiance to tyrannical asshats.

  12. #5032
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Ad yet, tey come on here to shill for those literal death squads.

    Did you shill for death squads, or did you want nothing more than to get out from under a fucking tyrant?

    I know plenty about tyrants, and have seen their handiwork firsthand.
    Do you think Russians that come here to post are free citizens shilling for Russia? or represent the country? seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    I am sure plenty support it , I am saying it's pretty darn hard bubble to get out of it.

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    You didn't answer the question would you trust the Chinese to get you out of the American bubble? you have access to the outside world too.
    A hard bubble it may be, but that’s because of sufficiently wide enough spread support of Putin. Or if not Putin, his hard right strong man policies- which isn’t surprising given how popular that angle is in the US for example.

    I feel like your argument would hold more sway with regards to China, but Russia is not China. Outside information is more readily accessible if they want it. Truth is they don’t.

  14. #5034
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    A hard bubble it may be, but that’s because of sufficiently wide enough spread support of Putin. Or if not Putin, his hard right strong man policies- which isn’t surprising given how popular that angle is in the US for example.

    I feel like your argument would hold more sway with regards to China, but Russia is not China. Outside information is more readily accessible if they want it. Truth is they don’t.
    Outside information is aplenty in the US but how many Americans let is sway their world view let alone domestic ones? if it did we would have universal health care already. The average person lives in a self imposed bubble regardless of where they are outside information barely gets in.

  15. #5035
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    And yet, they shill for him in these forums, as well as all the others.

    I certainly don't hate all Russians, I simply despise blind allegiance to tyrannical asshats.
    So now the few trolls here represent all Russians?
    Come on dude. I know you don't believe that. Its ok to be wrong on the internet. You don't need to keep digging that hole.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Outside information is aplenty in the US but how many Americans let is sway their world view let alone domestic ones? if it did we would have universal health care already. The average person lives in a self imposed bubble regardless of where they are outside information barely gets in.
    Exactly my point.

  17. #5037
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I think there is a bit of copium going on with this.

    Sanctions that are put up can be eroded and bypassed overtime or partially lifted with various behind-the-curtains deals that are bound to happen.

    Right now there is a lot of kneejerk reactions going on, but will it actually last any sort of significant time or become Crimea 2.0 - only time will tell.


    And heck when you look at the sanctions themselves - they are far from being AS comprehensive as one would hope. Russian source of their wealth and gall is not very touched.
    You can only do so much within a relatively short period of time.
    Again you can't just go and change the structure of your entire economy overnight, if you can't sell your goods in Europe/US anymore you really won't find a new customer elsewhere that can replace the one you just lost.
    Which is what we seen with the stupid Trump trade wars.

    Crimea was a slap on the wrist from the beginning, it hurt Russia to some degree but we never saw a bankrun because of those sanctions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I was born and raised in Ukraine, but I'm also ethnically Russian. Don't you worry, I know very well both sides of this shitshow much more than you do in your "Sweden/Yugoslavia".
    So your opinion is biased. Good to know.

  19. #5039
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Exactly my point.
    I get your point but looking at the history of Russia, it's hard to see a reference point where Russian would go we've had much better this guy sucks let's do something about it. The younger generations is more plugged into the outside so they are more likely but the average Russian has no catalyst to think that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P for Pancetta View Post
    How about you respond to his arguments?
    There's no argument.

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