Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Edge-]

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukra...a-tanks-2022-2

Grains of salt, but it looks like Turkish-made drones are doing some serious damage to the invading Russian forces.

[PhaelixWW]

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukra...a-tanks-2022-2

Grains of salt, but it looks like Turkish-made drones are doing some serious damage to the invading Russian forces.

Well, they have a 40-mile-long convoy of fresh targets, headed their way.

Happy hunting.

[Gaidax]

The current situation shows how lack luster the Russian army is. If NATO was going for force them to return what they stole, Russian army wouldn't be able to do anything about it. They don't have the upper hand on the ground when dealing with modern force. Trading a partial withdraw for sanctions reductions really isn't likely to worth either as most nations wouldn't follow through with it.

I think it's a lot of wishful thinking.

Right now Russia still shows a lot of restraint, they could legit bomb the shit out Ukraine if they wished for it and Ukrainian army would do little to stop that.

I explained already why the restraint, numerous times. Yes, they made a lot of amateur and embarrassing mistakes, but what they lost so far is not significant and what they got in return is being on the outskirts of major cities few days in already. People seem to forget that little detail.

I REALLY hope I won't get to say "I told you so" in a week from now, if Russia decides to pull the gloves off.

Russia has already stated it's intentions if they attempt to join but given Russia's current conduct, that would be stupid NOT to join and fast as they know they can't stand up to Russia on their own and will be bullied by them otherwise.

Things are not quite simple - the risks are there. Heck, part of the reason Putin is doing what he's doing in Ukraine is a show for surrounding states with hidden "you may be next, if you get too cocky" message there. It can make people sweat a tad there.

And you forget how more options are popping up due to fracking and renewables taking off with most car manufacturers even planning on phasing out gas vehicles within the next 10 years. Sorry, but I don't see what you predict happening.

Bruh... This shit will take another 2 decades to even materialize in a capacity that can actually replace Russian gas. Even besides that - there is this figure of "40% of gas" in Europe being sourced from Russia, but it's not telling the whole story. But what is not told very often is that it reaches almost 100% for many Balkan and Eastern Europe states - something that is irreplaceable in near future simply because there is no infrastructure in place to even try to replace it.

You just had Germany and the like declare gas as "clean energy" to try and stall the whole clean energy switch. Be real.

Each country kinda has to go on their own on that to my knowledge. But this for showing on this one just how you think and why your logic can't be trusted to be entirely accurate.

What's not to be trusted there? The reality of partial SWIFT disconnection or that Gazprom will keep getting all them billions just fine, because EU made heroic efforts to not sanction it directly? You know... because they need it.

It's simply the reality. To take Russia down financially - you need to do quite A LOT more than what EU is ready to do.

[Magnagarde]

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukra...a-tanks-2022-2

Grains of salt, but it looks like Turkish-made drones are doing some serious damage to the invading Russian forces.

The Turkish Bayraktar drones were decisive in the conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia, as well as the partially-succesful Idlib offensive of the SAA in Syria.

They are apparently pretty cheap in comparison to their alternatives. On top of that, Turkey is using an even newer version that can carry 18 projectiles and cruise missiles.

[Corvus]

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukra...a-tanks-2022-2

Grains of salt, but it looks like Turkish-made drones are doing some serious damage to the invading Russian forces.

Experts seem to agree these are legit. The astonishing thing is that they are taking out Buk anti-air units which are meant to be defending against htem.

Canada has announced it will ban all oil imports from Russia. First country to do so. And per the BBC Algeria is offering to increase gas supply to Europe to make up for Russian gas.

[Edge-]

Experts seem to agree these are legit.

Good shit. I imagine they have a target rich environment with the incoming convoy.

[beanman12345]

My family on both my parents' sides fought the nazis and their collaborators, while keeping a human perspective on life and instilling the same into their offspring . Your post - and the link - is inane.

Oh the irony.

[Gaidax]

What are you talking about? He could just claim it was to remove the last bit of leadership and top level resistance to eliminate fighting and speed up Ukraine surrendering. If he can justify invading the ukraine in the first place he can do the same for nuking its capital and leadership. You seem to not understand the paranoi and leaps of logic that russian leadership are capable of making and having.

The one who does not understand is you, because you're simply not Russian and you don't understand how Russia really works.

Putin is not a god almighty. He is vulnerable to public opinion flare ups. The story with "Kursk" submarine showed how much when he was sweating buckets before "Soliders' Mothers" explaining how this happened and what he does now.

That is why after "Kursk" he worked REAL hard to try and bolster media control to keep these stories getting out of hand like wildfire.

Much of Putin's power comes from several sources - his elite friends and enablers, church and public. Public gives him a pass because he massively improved Russian livelihoods in his 2 decades of reign.

But if stories and pictures from Ukraine start creeping up from relatives and friends who call - shit can get bad for him VERY fast. It's much easier to obfuscate this when he does not go full Aleppo on Kiev, but if he will and there will be tens of thousands dead and pictures of Kiev being rubble - public will turn on him.

He can jail 5k protesters, but he can't jail 1 million of them. And that is when both his elite pals will start thinking that it might be better to put someone else at helm.

It's that simple.

[Breccia]

Many of the Russian soldiers in Ukraine are innocents sent to the grinder for a grand ambition of an individual.

Grains of salt, but it looks like Turkish-made drones are doing some serious damage to the invading Russian forces.

Footage from the ground appears to show the aftermath, with charred, smoking metal strewed along a highway.

It'd be nice if the innocent soldiers heard/saw this and re-evaluate their life choices. I can't imagine morale was good when they were ordered to kill their non-aggressive neighbors. Now, they're being ordered to kill their non-aggressive neighbors but some of them are exploding.

Defect.

[Gaidax]

It'd be nice if the innocent soldiers heard/saw this and re-evaluate their life choices. I can't imagine morale was good when they were ordered to kill their non-aggressive neighbors. Now, they're being ordered to kill their non-aggressive neighbors but some of them are exploding.

Defect.

It's not easy to just throw away your families, everything and "defect" to hell knows where into unknown. Especially not if you think this is going to be over soon and your team is about to win anyway.

[Logwyn]

Imagine if Ukraine and Poland pulled a 5head and had Ukraine “surrender” to Poland thus becoming a member of NATO for the short term while they work it out so it can be its own full member as an independent State,

Doesn't work that way. Poland has to accept the annexation of Ukraine.

[Corvus]

I've heard people saying that the reason that the Russians are sticking to the main roads is that the thaw has started early in Ukraine and they can't go offroad for fear of bogging down. Any confirmation of that?

[Khaza-R]

The Turkish Bayraktar drones were decisive in the conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia, as well as the partially-succesful Idlib offensive of the SAA in Syria.

Hmmm. Genocide redux and the cancer of the cancer of Syria. Quite a success story to cheer at.

[Torched]

In these dark times that is going on, I have found some small joy in it, and that is to watch videos of Ukrainian farmers stealing Russian tanks, APC´s and other military gear. It's pretty funny to think about.

[PC2]

You should check the news, they’re already targeting civilians.

For killings? That's probably hyperbole, Russians are there for imperialism and not terrorism.

[Elegiac]

For killings? That's probably hyperbole, Russians are there for imperialism

Why on earth do you think imperialism doesn't involve brutalizing civilians.

Stop carrying water for fascists. It's beyond cringe.

[Belize]

I've heard people saying that the reason that the Russians are sticking to the main roads is that the thaw has started early in Ukraine and they can't go offroad for fear of bogging down. Any confirmation of that?

*Looks at multiple videos of Russian tanks stuck in the mud*

Well...

[PACOX]

I've heard people saying that the reason that the Russians are sticking to the main roads is that the thaw has started early in Ukraine and they can't go offroad for fear of bogging down. Any confirmation of that?

I don't know if that is the reason but it is a factor. Hell one reason thought there wouldn't have been an Invasion was b the thaw was approaching.

[Fugus]

I think it's a lot of wishful thinking.

Right now Russia still shows a lot of restraint, they could legit bomb the shit out Ukraine if they wished for it and Ukrainian army would do little to stop that.

I explained already why the restraint, numerous times. Yes, they made a lot of amateur and embarrassing mistakes, but what they lost so far is not significant and what they got in return is being on the outskirts of major cities few days in already. People seem to forget that little detail.

I REALLY hope I won't get to say "I told you so" in a week from now, if Russia decides to pull the gloves off.

No one has said that Russia couldn't take out Ukraine, just the fact that they are struggling this much with them is telling and the fact that you are talking about giving an "I told you so" if they decide to start full on committing war crimes doesn't help your case either.

[Azadina]

My family on both my parents' sides fought the nazis and their collaborators, while keeping a human perspective on life and instilling the same into their offspring . Your post - and the link - is inane.

Many of the Russian soldiers in Ukraine are innocents sent to the grinder for a grand ambition of an individual.

False. That boat sailed the second they crossed the border with full intent to go murder some Ukrainians, as well as loot and pillage the country, and terrorize it's citizens.

There isn't a single innocent Putlerbro in Ukraine.