Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Belize]

You simply don't understand what he's trying to say. He is explaining to you how Russia ticks and how it did for hundreds of years. The expectations of it embracing genuine democracy is naïve at best, same as thinking that Putin is the actual problem - he's just a tip of an iceberg there.

Nobody here is justifying anything except for someone like Shalker, get a grip.

It's absolutely a shit take.

Japan had an emperor for hundreds of years and managed a amazingly graceful transition to democracy in record time. Germany went from emperor, to totalitarian dictator, to another totalitarian dictator for +-50% of the country to being accepted into the EU post USSR collapse.

The only thing holding Russia back is that the old regime is still in control of the government. It has nothing to do with "well things have always been that way". Replace Putin and his oligarch buddies with an actual elected government and I'd be willing to bet things would change.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

So after reading that Russian media article that got leaked and was supposed to come out after a quick occupation of Ukraine, it seems like this entire war comes down to Putin saying "I just want that country, if they say no, I want it anyway".

How can we be standing by and letting this happen in the 21st century? Last time this happened we all banded together and defeated the tyrant that tried the same thing in the 1940's, why not now?

So it's okay when the US conquers and vassalizes other countries, but wrong when Russia does it? Hm...

Anyway, Ukraine will be better off under the Russian flag in the long term. Putin will save Ukraine from the insidious Globalist Agenda.


Infracted.

[downnola]

You simply don't understand what he's trying to say. He is explaining to you how Russia ticks and how it did for hundreds of years. The expectations of it embracing genuine democracy is naïve at best, same as thinking that Putin is the actual problem - he's just a tip of an iceberg there.

Nobody here is justifying anything except for someone like Shalker, get a grip.

That's not how Russia ticks. If it was really that simple then there wouldn't be such low morale among Russian troops and they wouldn't need help from Chechnya and Belarus. Most Russians want to be left the hell alone and have no interest in fighting Ukrainians.

[Daymanmb]

Anyway, Ukraine will be better off under the Russian flag in the long term. Putin will save Ukraine from the insidious Globalist Agenda.

Holy fuck....

[Easo]

The current shape of the Russian state in geographical terms simply prohibits democracy - if given the choice and greater autonomy, that LEGO construction of a country would unravel.

Ok, I am going to be honest - I have no idea WTF you tried to say.

Yes yes, Russia STRONK. That's why they are still fucking bogged down fighting an enemy that was supposed to fold in 2 days. ACCORDING TO YOU.

The Russian military is a fucking joke, just as the rest of that fucking country. The only thing that makes them relevant is that they have nukes. Otherwise they are a literal third world tier power.

I see the str0nk in you. Good luck with that.

They don't, but they are also only 2 of 30+ countries in Europe. Europe has more troops than the US, and are largely professional. The major issue is that they're set up broadly defensively as NATO intended, which might hinder advances, but there is absolutely no way Russia would make any headway at all (in a conventional war).

Seeing that half of said states are using old ex-soviet equipment, have almost none to zero aviation and heavy weapons in general. Yeah... The biggest economy and most populous country in Europe has less armor units than Poland, which is kinda ironic.
Mobilization potential is not the same as actual army. Unless Europe get's together and moves forces to the east, good luck. We are leeching off USA, it's just how it is.

Instead of frikkin' speeches and memes, Europe should send planes, drones and heavy weaponry to Ukraine already.

That's what Zelensky literally telling a week already.

IIRC some things have reached the front lines. Supposedly. The rest, ehh, it's a problematic issue. He is right, but I am sure he understands the potential for something nasty, mostly regarding convoy interception and crewing...

[DarkTZeratul]

Anyway, Ukraine will be better off under the Russian flag in the long term. Putin will save Ukraine from the insidious Globalist Agenda.

Boy, you're really drinking the totalitarian dictator kool-aid sweetened with sparkling antisemitism today, aren't you?

[Elegiac]

So it's okay when the US conquers and vassalizes other countries

Just in case you missed it:

This thread is about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Says so right there in the title. Stop derailing it.

If your only argument starts with "What about...", you don't have any.

[Edge-]

Putin will save Ukraine from the insidious Globalist Agenda.

Top kek, Putin seems too terrified to let anyone withing 50 feet of him, who the fuck is he saving?

[Vakna]

So it's okay when the US conquers and vassalizes other countries, but wrong when Russia does it? Hm...

Anyway, Ukraine will be better off under the Russian flag in the long term. Putin will save Ukraine from the insidious Globalist Agenda.

First of all, I don't remember mentioning the US.

Secondly, it doesn't matter whether it's you or Putin that thinks Ukraine will be better off under a Russian flag, if Ukraine says no, then it's a no.

[Ivanstone]

You simply don't understand what he's trying to say. He is explaining to you how Russia ticks and how it did for hundreds of years. The expectations of it embracing genuine democracy is naïve at best, same as thinking that Putin is the actual problem - he's just a tip of an iceberg there.

Or, you know, he’s just another Kokolums or YUPPIE who did a little reading and then proceeded to misinterpret what he read because what he actually wants is to see more dead people.

[Voidwielder]

It's absolutely a shit take.

Japan had an emperor for hundreds of years and managed a amazingly graceful transition to democracy in record time.

The only thing holding Russia back is that the old regime is still in control of the government. It has nothing to do with "well things have always been that way". Replace Putin and his oligarch buddies with an actual elected government and I'd be willing to bet things would change.

A transition to democracy overseen (and enforced) by the US which guaranteed the security of the maritime shipping lanes on which Japan entirely depends on and which was the reason why they went to war in the first place.


Learn your history, kids. And don't just stare at the maps, think about them.

[Gaidax]

It's absolutely a shit take.

Japan had an emperor for hundreds of years and managed a amazingly graceful transition to democracy in record time. Germany went from emperor, to totalitarian dictator, to another totalitarian dictator for +-50% of the country to being accepted into the EU post USSR collapse.

The only thing holding Russia back is that the old regime is still in control of the government. It has nothing to do with "well things have always been that way". Replace Putin and his oligarch buddies with an actual elected government and I'd be willing to bet things would change.

Russia is not Japan.

Heck, USSR went away... and 30 years down the road you have it back exactly like that episode of Simpsons meme.

Stop believing in some fairy tales. Just ask yourself this question - where did Putin come from and how he literally out of nowhere became president and dictator. The system is real and if you think it's some one guy holding it all together - you're funny.

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Frankly - we're in this mess exactly because some romanticists rushed to believe Russia changed back in 90s. The shop just changed the name and put some fresh coat of paint.

[uuuhname]

So it's okay when the US conquers and vassalizes other countries, but wrong when Russia does it? Hm...

who said it is? who the fuck are you talking to?

[Makabreska]

Holy fuck....

Ye, Russian stans are coming back from the ban.

[Traveler Voltin]

So it's okay when the US conquers and vassalizes other countries, but wrong when Russia does it? Hm...

Anyway, Ukraine will be better off under the Russian flag in the long term. Putin will save Ukraine from the insidious Globalist Agenda.

what drugs are you on?

[Belize]

Anyway, Ukraine will be better off under the Russian flag in the long term. Putin will save Ukraine from the insidious Globalist Agenda.

That's a yikes from me.

Maybe stick to having shit takes on Pokemon and don't spread your godawful ideas to other topics.

[Voidwielder]

That's not how Russia ticks. If it was really that simple then there wouldn't be such low morale among Russian troops and they wouldn't need help from Chechnya and Belarus. Most Russians want to be left the hell alone and have no interest in fighting Ukrainians.

Once again, you focus on the macros.

[Daymanmb]

Stop believing in some fairy tales. Just ask yourself this question - where did Putin come from and how he literally out of nowhere became president and dictator. The system is real and if you think it's some one guy holding it all together - you're funny.

I thought the argument was:

The current shape of the Russian state in geographical terms simply prohibits democracy

You two need to get your shitty takes in line..

[Ivanstone]

Anyway, Ukraine will be better off under the Russian flag in the long term. Putin will save Ukraine from the insidious Globalist Agenda.

This is the 4th time in 30 years that Ukraine told Russia to fuck off.

Globalism is also fantastic. Masturbating over arbitrary territorial divisions, not so much.

[XDurionX]

Holy fuck....

He even spelled (((globalists))) wrong.