I wonder if the following agreement would appease all parties involved:
(1) Ukraine agrees to become a demilitarized zone.
(2) NATO extends Article 5 to apply to Ukraine for as long as (1) holds (without membership). Ukraine can become EU member but not a NATO member (and since UA would not be a NATO member they themselves would not be bound by Article 5 in case of attacks to other NATO countries).
I think this would be great for UA, kinda ok for Russia, maybe not so ok for NATO though.
1) No way Ukraine will agree to this unless Russia legit turns Kiev and other cities into Aleppo, which is something Putin can't really afford.
2) NATO and US/EU made it plainly clear they do not want to get involved and there is snowball's chance in hell Russia will agree to this.
It's a complete non-starter.
No.
This is not about the military status of Ukraine.
Putin's Lebensraum speeches and the various other stuff published by Russian state media, sometimes by accident, has made it clear that this is about the subjugation of Ukraine and the recreation of the Russian empire as imagined by Vladimir Putin.
The only compromise that could theoretically be reached here is Ukraine accepting the Russian annexation of Crimea and the Donbass combined with an ironclad promise not to join NATO. This, theoretically, would allow Putin to save face at home and to fulfill his ambitions of territorial gains.
Electricity prices in Sweden to spike some 60-70% more because of rising gas/electricity prices and Germany thanks to the conflict and sanctions.
I'm already paying €140/month electricity for a small as 67kvm two room apartment, which is a fucking insanity. So I can expect €200/month electricity only.
I wonder who's sanctioning who here.
Eh, why wouldn't Ukraine agree to (1)?? In this scenario they would gain security from NATO Article 5 without having to have a military of their own. Kinda like the Åland model but on a much larger scale. I know the ppl in Åland love the deal where the mainland Finland guarantees their safety while they themselves don't need to participate in military service.
Odd statement. Putin has never publicly claimed that his aims are at territorial gains; he's said exactly the opposite in fact. Therefore, not gaining any territory would not make him lose face at home.
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Sure, NATO/EU/US can continue to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. I'm just trying to think some agreement that would not result in massive loss of life and property.
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Putin wants Ukraine, he’s already breaking international law and committing war crimes, he’s been given inches over Georgia, Crimea, Donbas, and he’s continuing to take miles.
I’m normally a pacifist on this stuff, but sometimes people just want a fight and that’s the end of it.
Any kind of “agreement” would be kicking the can down the road while he regrouped and worked on his next move.
Fucking lol. The only compromise that needs to be reached is for Russia to fuck off. Ideally they could sweeten the deal by chopping Putin's head off, but that's up to them. This is an INVASION of a sovereign nation. There is no compromise. Get the fuck out and don't come back.
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Guys. You Ukraine soldiers. Yeah, you who got blown the fuck up too. Everyone get your giant sized balls over here and listen up. It's over. You can surrender to the Russians now, some girl in EU is inconvenienced. She has had enough of your wanting to live and be your own people fucking up their life.
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/brave-new-...on-of-ukraine/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ats-scrambling“Ukraine is an inalienable part of our own history, culture and spiritual space,” Putin said. “These are our comrades, those dearest to us – not only colleagues, friends and people who once served together, but also relatives, people bound by blood, by family ties.”
Ah! Parroting Russian propaganda I see. Why do I even bother?Sure, NATO/EU/US can continue to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. I'm just trying to think some agreement that would not result in massive loss of life and property.
"It is every citizen's final duty to go into the tanks, and become one with all the people."
~ Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang, "Ethics for Tomorrow"
I'm barely above minimum wage, got 2 kids to look after and already had a tight budget before all this but it's a price I'm willing to pay because at least my country isn't being invaded by a murderous fucking nazi. Just be glad you never had to live through the rationing of world wars or the great depression.