Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Corvus]

I lived through a war.
Don't bullshit, you'd love lower prices.

Who wouldn't love lower prices? But I'm willing to pay higher prices if it helps defeat a murderous nazi and his simps.

In other news, Turkey has rejected a Russian request to send navy ships through the Bosporus the Turkish FM has said.

[Azadina]

If there's even a remote chance it's not a bluff, then it's a risk not worth taking.
And the greater risk of escalation into spilling over into a larger conventional war involving NATO nations isn't worth it either.

And that's why they can use that card for anything at all. They know that there's people too afraid of calling their bluff.

[DarkAmbient]

To intervene militarily is to take the position that WW3 is a better option than leaving Ukraine to its fate. One can take the understandable view that an example ought to be made of any aggressor nation that invades another and tries to claim it for itself, but that is idealism. What about the comparative costs in human life? Is it better for a million to die doing the right thing, than it is for a hundred thousand to die while we do nothing? The pragmatic option for those of us outside Ukraine is to minimise any potential harm to ourselves. It's cold, but it makes sense.

[Jessicka]

And that's why they can use that card for anything at all. They know that there's people too afraid of calling their bluff.

When he talks regularly of a planet not being worth having without Russia on it. It sounds less like a bluff.

I’d probably rule out a mass launch, but I certainly wouldn’t rule out a tactical nuke on Kyiv just to press the point.

[Gaidax]

And that's why they can use that card for anything at all. They know that there's people too afraid of calling their bluff.

Potential of actual hot war in Europe between NATO and Russia is not just "anything at all".

Everyone's brave in gaming forums, not so brave when you're responsible for actual countries that may take a hit.

[StillMcfuu]

People are being mislead that Ukraine is winning because Russia isn't going full out with the invasion. As I mentioned before, they are not targeting civilians.
Putin went too far, but he's not a murdering maniac the west makes him out to be. Just because you live in the west doesn't mean you're being fed propaganda. Western propaganda machine is very active. Don't deceive yourself thinking that the west is good and the east is bad. They just might all be bad.

I'm going to tell you one thing. Russians are Orthodox and Ukraininans are Orthodox. That's a way bigger deal than you might think. The only people in danger is the government and the nazi Azov regiment.

Ohh i know this isn't a free fire invasion, all the videos of people driving by tank columns and fire bombing them while not being lit up makes it easy to see that not only has Russia kept the gloves on, they put on a few more.

Just as an example if this were Iraq/Afghanistan the US would number one not allow people that close, if they did get that close, probably get lit up, and if they ever threw fire bombs, they would be lit up.

Russian troops are clearly working with very tight rules of engagement and have been following them.

[Shadowferal]

And that's why they can use that card for anything at all. They know that there's people too afraid of calling their bluff.

We're Ukraine a NATO nation it'd be different...heck, we're they in the EU it'd be different.

[Elenos]

And that's why they can use that card for anything at all. They know that there's people too afraid of calling their bluff.

NATO made it very clear that they wouldn't fight a war to defend Ukraine. They also made it clear they would do so to defend NATO members.

If you care so much for Ukraine that you're willing to die for them, go ahead: Ukraine has asked for any and all western volunteers and Western Nations have stated they will allow them to go.

I for one, living in Romania which shares a border Ukraine, am not willing to see my country being sacrificed to save Ukraine, not that we'd save anything if we get WW3.

[Azadina]

To intervene militarily is to take the position that WW3 is a better option than leaving Ukraine to its fate. One can take the understandable view that an example ought to be made of any aggressor nation that invades another and tries to claim it for itself, but that is idealism. What about the comparative costs in human life? Is it better for a million to die doing the right thing, than it is for a hundred thousand to die while we do nothing? The pragmatic option for those of us outside Ukraine is to minimise any potential harm to ourselves. It's cold, but it makes sense.

Back in 1945 I'm sure a discussion was had, whether it's worth all the lives lost to deal with Soviets, or whether it's better to hope for the best. Yea.... How'd that turn out again. Imagine if they back then HAD dealt with soviets much akin to Germany and Japan. How are those two countries nowadays? How's Russia? Ah...being the same old hostile as ever.

You want the same mistake repeated forever? So, the question is, is million lives now better than 500 million later?

[Strawberry]

Keep pushing that Russian propaganda and keep pretending that demilitarization is an option here. IT'S NOT.

He's right. There's a propaganda war from both sides.
The only difference is you're on the west side, listening to western propaganda.

Jesus, open your fucking eyes people, anti-Russian propaganda is being ran by western media for decades, regardless if there's a conflict or not.

[Gaidax]

Back in 1945 I'm sure a discussion was had, whether it's worth all the lives lost to deal with Soviets, or whether it's better to hope for the best. Yea.... How'd that turn out again. Imagine if they back then HAD dealt with soviets much akin to Germany and Japan. How are those two countries nowadays? How's Russia? Ah...being the same old hostile as ever.

You want the same mistake repeated forever? So, the question is, is million lives now better than 500 million later?

It's not some kind of game.

It's the difference between what will happen and what may or may not happen.

[Jessicka]

He's right. There's a propaganda war from both sides.
The only difference is you're on the west side, listening to western propaganda.

Jesus, open your fucking eyes people, anti-Russian propaganda is being ran by western media for decades, regardless if there's a conflict or not.

I dunno man, all the Brexit folks over here were (apparently still are) very very pro Russia. There’s even a Conservative Party “Friends of Russia” group.

If there’d been that much anti-Russian sentiment in Europe, we’d have never got involved with their gas and oil.

[Shadowferal]

Back in 1945 I'm sure a discussion was had, whether it's worth all the lives lost to deal with Soviets, or whether it's better to hope for the best. Yea.... How'd that turn out again. Imagine if they back then HAD dealt with soviets much akin to Germany and Japan. How are those two countries nowadays? How's Russia? Ah...being the same old hostile as ever.

If you recall, the US did much to provoke attacks from Nazi Germany by providing protection to British ships. And that's what I'm waiting to see; something similar. But I don't believe Russian troops will do anything so provocative.

[Jessicka]

It's not some kind of game.

It's the difference between what will happen and what may or may not happen.

The Russian war machine has shown no sign of stopping since Georgia, regardless of how many sanctions or bits of paper Putin were made to sign.

How long do you think another agreement would last?

[Vampiregenesis]

Could the international legion volunteers be used as a trojan horse to send nato troops to ukraine?

[Azadina]

NATO made it very clear that they wouldn't fight a war to defend Ukraine. They also made it clear they would so to defend NATO members.

If you care so much for Ukraine that you're willing to die for them, go ahead: Ukraine has asked for any all western volunteers and Western Nations have stated they will allow them to go.

I for one, living in Romania which shares a border Ukraine, am not willing to see my country being sacrificed to save Ukraine, not that we'd save anything if we get WW3.

Considering you were praying for swift Russian victory, I'm certain you are indeed not willing to sacrifice anything for Ukraine. You'd have Romania added to Russian Glorious Empire no doubt.

[Saradain]

He's right. There's a propaganda war from both sides.
The only difference is you're on the west side, listening to western propaganda.

Jesus, open your fucking eyes people, anti-Russian propaganda is being ran by western media for decades, regardless if there's a conflict or not.

No amount of western propaganda justifies a WAR of INVASION against sovereign Ukraine. By an INVADER Russia who spares no effort in avoiding civilian casualties while bombing the living shit out of civilians which is a FACT.

[Jessicka]

Could the international legion volunteers be used as a trojan horse to send nato troops to ukraine?

That is exactly what they’re there for.

[Azadina]

If you recall, the US did much to provoke attacks from Nazi Germany by providing protection to British ships. And that's what I'm waiting to see; something similar. But I don't believe Russian troops will do anything so provocative.

Of course they won't, because THEY know their nukes bluff is horseshit, and would lose immediately should anyone else step in to help Ukraine. So they do everything to avoid provoking west that is sitting idle. How that isn't obvious to people shaking in fear of putlers nukes, I can't even tell.

[Elenos]

Considering you were praying for swift Russian victory, I'm certain you are indeed not willing to sacrifice anything for Ukraine. You'd have Romania added to Russian Glorious Empire no doubt.

You confuse a desire to avoid weeks/months of brutal bloodshed that will kill tens of thousands of people, leave millions of people refugees, devaste the entirety of Ukraine with them still losing the war ( and they will lose the war ) with support for Russia.

One word: Lunacy.

Unlike you I actually know what modern weaponry can and will do: I've spent years following Libya, Syria, Iraq. I do NOT wish the fate of Mosul or Aleppo on anyone. What I pray for daily is that this ends as quickly as possible. I do not see any other outcome then Russia winning and conquering Ukraine however. The sanctions and weapon shipments will not change that.

I welcome you to come to Romania to our border of Ukraine to see the throngs of refugees swarming in daily. War isn't an online forum game.

I say again: The way to Ukraine is open if you care to fight. No one is stopping you.