Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Barzotti]

Hope spring eternal, let's hope they handle the Ukrainians better than this invasion and we get more than just photo ops when it comes to feeding them.

Is there a possibility that these so called humanitarian trucks are disguised as ammunition trucks?

[Mihalik]

It really isn't the bleakest form of capitalism is about to show itself for anyone living in Russia.

The thing is, I see no way they could possibly reopen the stock market without triggering a complete bank run and watching the instantaneous collapse of every pension fund, investment fund, financial services company, bank and triggering a mass sell off of every imaginable stock for pennies on the dollar. Or kopecks on the ruble to be more exact.

This will not change as long as the sanctions stay in place. Even a military victory in Ukraine and the annexation of the country wouldn't change that, if possible it would actually make it worse.

[Gaidax]

Putler had another verbal vommit, this time about how more sanctions on Russia would be bad "for the situation".

I actually think it's quite important if that's the actual line he was pushing.

I do not really listen to his speeches, but if he legit went on with a more toned down speech laced with "we all need to be friends", then it's a signal that he's looking for an out of this and some sort of deal to mutually roll at least some stuff back.

It might be some sort of signal for his media dogs of war and so on to chill things down a tad, so public opinion can be prepped to some sort of deal while keeping up the appearances.

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Then of course it is IF that speech was that tame, I actually want to read the transcript now to try to understand where the wind is blowing.

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Meh, it hardly was a peace line push, so whatevs then.

[Shadowferal]

How the US is helping Ukraine fight Russia

[Belize]

I actually think it's quite important if that's the actual line he was pushing.

I do not really listen to his speeches, but if he legit went on with a more toned down speech laced with "we all need to be friends", then it's a signal that he's looking for an out of this and some sort of deal to mutually roll at least some stuff back.

It might be some sort of signal for his media dogs of war and so on to chill things down a tad, so public opinion can be prepped to some sort of deal while keeping up the appearances.

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Then of course it is IF that speech was that tame, I actually want to read the transcript now to try to understand where the wind is blowing.

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Meh, it hardly was a peace line push, so whatevs then.

Yeah, I scanned through the translation, and it's less of a "hey, let's wind this down, no need for sanctions" and more like "If you sanction us more, we'll step up the war crimes motherfuckers"

[Easo]

I already said it. Probably no.

Capitalism is functionally over in Russia for the foreseeable future.

Oh no, oligarchs are not going to go anywhere and capitalism is not going to die there anytime soon.
However, they have pretty much started mass nationalization, after Western investors and companies withdrew from Russian ones. I have a feeling mismanagement is gonna be a big problem.

I mean that Russia is selling tens of thousands of its relics to a lot of countries there, while it's "best" it keeps for itself are just upgraded relics.

Fewer than 1000 tanks is not what I'd call "a ton of tanks" when the top 3 have close to an order of magnitude more than that, especially in nations as populous as Japan, France, or even Poland - which is downsizing its own Tank legions in spite of its obvious geographical position of 'European Land War' ground zero. The UK runs 227 tanks that we freely admit suck and have little use for, but keep around almost out of nostalgia. It's an argument that comes up every few years here every time we decide to buy new drones and scrap tanks, the grey haired journalists get all upset.

They are buying newly built T-90M's, Armatas are coming, if late, plus there is a ton of newly built IFV"s and APC's (in hundreds). Remember, crapload of countries in NATO have the same issues and dillemas, like what to do with stuff like Leo 2A4's.

Thing with NATO is that not everyone needs 10k tanks, when USA provides the backbone, your units just add to them - together comparable to Russia, individually - not.
As for UK, yeah... the Challenger "3" project is a travesty and a very obvious example of lack of funds.

I certainly do not find them respectable.

Reason:

Look at the news.

We are talking about tanks. Therefore I was uttely confused as to what that word means in the context of creating new models, either respectable as the country itself is or is not respectable, or that their tank development schools are respected.

Hope spring eternal, let's hope they handle the Ukrainians better than this invasion and we get more than just photo ops when it comes to feeding them.

Nah, it will be fine...ish. And yeah, saw a video in Melitopol with one long group of people waiting in line for the aid, while another was blaming them for going to Russians.

I actually think it's quite important if that's the actual line he was pushing.

I do not really listen to his speeches, but if he legit went on with a more toned down speech laced with "we all need to be friends", then it's a signal that he's looking for an out of this and some sort of deal to mutually roll at least some stuff back.

It might be some sort of signal for his media dogs of war and so on to chill things down a tad, so public opinion can be prepped to some sort of deal while keeping up the appearances.

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Then of course it is IF that speech was that tame, I actually want to read the transcript now to try to understand where the wind is blowing.

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Meh, it hardly was a peace line push, so whatevs then.

Might be. He is playing the long game, he knows that plan did not work as expected. The fact that talks with Ukraine are happening shows that as well.
Or we are all just wrong and it is nothing but a ruse xD

[Poopymonster]

Is there a possibility that these so called humanitarian trucks are disguised as ammunition trucks?

Geneva Convention says you're not supposed to open fire on shit like Red Cross (Or Red Crescent in Muslim areas) or things providing humanitarian aid.
Dressing up as a military vehicle makes you a target. Unless you're trying to instigate war crimes, is counterproductive to what humanitarian aid is all about.

[Barzotti]

Geneva Convention says you're not supposed to open fire on shit like Red Cross (Or Red Crescent in Muslim areas) or things providing humanitarian aid.
Dressing up as a military vehicle makes you a target. Unless you're trying to instigate war crimes, is counterproductive to what humanitarian aid is all about.

Oh wait, I'm retarded and mistyped. I wanted to say "is that a possibility that ammunition trucks are disguised as humanitarian aid?"

[Easo]

Well, there is this side of the conflict too... Not that NSFW, as opposed to the way too many NSFW ones.

Supposedly, a marauder:
https://t.me/stranaua/28807

Also, humanitarian trucks are real. You have to take a bit more realistic look at things.

[Slant]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com..._of_charities/

If you want to donate, there is a bigass list of charities and even a link to the Ukrainian National Bank, where you can donate directly to the military. Which is what I did. Fuck Putin.

[Jessicka]

They are buying newly built T-90M's, Armatas are coming, if late, plus there is a ton of newly built IFV"s and APC's (in hundreds). Remember, crapload of countries in NATO have the same issues and dillemas, like what to do with stuff like Leo 2A4's.

Thing with NATO is that not everyone needs 10k tanks, when USA provides the backbone, your units just add to them - together comparable to Russia, individually - not.
As for UK, yeah... the Challenger "3" project is a travesty and a very obvious example of lack of funds.

IFVs and APCs are important, we came up ridiculous short on them in Afghanistan and had to borrow a load from America. IFVs are not MBTs though.

We still have to consider national defence and individual interests outside of American support, so it's not really about 'adding to'. That's been the major tug of war over a European Defence Force, integration, and the bloat in terms of duplication in capability. Everyone basically does what they want first, and whatever they committed to NATO second, maybe. For Britain that means force projection and rapid deployment.

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Oh wait, I'm retarded and mistyped. I wanted to say "is that a possibility that ammunition trucks are disguised as humanitarian aid?"

That itself would be a warcrime.

[jonnysensible]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com..._of_charities/

If you want to donate, there is a bigass list of charities and even a link to the Ukrainian National Bank, where you can donate directly to the military. Which is what I did. Fuck Putin.

its: https://www.saintjavelin.com/ for me

[Barzotti]

That itself would be a warcrime.

Putin doesn't seem to be keen on respecting the Geneva convention, so doing that wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

[Vampiregenesis]

It was a fatal mistake from the Ukrainian government to let the nazis act without consequences or make them part of their army/police and the degradation of the Russian citizens or other minorities. Although one can say that Putin is the villain here, Ukrainians are not really good here. They would have much more leverage in the diplomacy stage if they acted with moderation. What they did goes against the values of the western world imo, they simply gave the right to the Russians to invade. I don't think the EU will accept them and I don't think USA will help either since they know very well these facts. Right now we have a big evil fighting a smaller evil, I don't think there is a good side here.

[Slant]

its: https://www.saintjavelin.com/ for me

Haha, that's funny. Good, whatever helps the Ukrainians fuck that dictator up.

[Elegiac]

I don't think there is a good side here.

Gee, I wonder if this is a function of you being waist deep in Kremlin propaganda.

Ukraine's far-right problem is vastly overstated and a hypocritical complaint coming from Russia which is an actual fascist state.

[Slant]

It was a fatal mistake from the Ukrainian government to let the nazis act without consequences or make them part of their army/police and the degradation of the Russian citizens or other minorities. Although one can say that Putin is the villain here, Ukrainians are not really good here. They would have much more leverage in the diplomacy stage if they acted with moderation. What they did goes against the values of the western world imo, they simply gave the right to the Russians to invade. I don't think the EU will accept them and I don't think USA will help either since they know very well these facts. Right now we have a big evil fighting a smaller evil, I don't think there is a good side here.

You know what you can do with your Russian propaganda?

Ukraine is literally fighting for survival, you don't get to blame them now.

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Be sure to vet any charity before donating. With bigass lists like this some are bound to be shite.

I agree. I donated to the Ukrainian National Bank. I hope it really exists. It looked official enough to me.

[Specialka]

It was a fatal mistake from the Ukrainian government to let the nazis act without consequences or make them part of their army/police and the degradation of the Russian citizens or other minorities. Although one can say that Putin is the villain here, Ukrainians are not really good here. They would have much more leverage in the diplomacy stage if they acted with moderation. What they did goes against the values of the western world imo, they simply gave the right to the Russians to invade. I don't think the EU will accept them and I don't think USA will help either since they know very well these facts. Right now we have a big evil fighting a smaller evil, I don't think there is a good side here.

You do realize that every army in the world have a part of questionable people ? Even the russian army. The Azov battalion is what ? 2% of ukrainian force.

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Gee, I wonder if this is a function of you being waist deep in Kremlin propaganda.

Ukraine's far-right problem is vastly overstated and a hypocritical complaint coming from Russia which is an actual fascist state.

No, it is not. Stop using that word for everything you do not like.

[Vampiregenesis]

Gee, I wonder if this is a function of you being waist deep in Kremlin propaganda.

Ukraine's far-right problem is vastly overstated and a hypocritical complaint coming from Russia which is an actual fascist state.

I didn't know much about this conflict, I read some stuff from legit sources. Ukrainians clearly fight for survival, I'm not saying that Russians are good here, however based on my sources, the Ukrainians left the nazi battalions free to act with heavy equipment for 8 years and they signed a law that degrades some minorities and the Russians of Ukraine. These are real facts that happened, it's not propaganda or lies. No this doesn't mean that Putin is the good guy here but seriously, why would Ukraine act in this manner?

In my state, we had nazis too who were far more moderate than Ukrainian nazis (didn't kill nearly as much) and we put them in jail. Ukrainians acted without moderation, it was stupid what they did, not sure how you can't see that.

[Easo]

Putin's speech itself was fascistic almost per definition of the word, but the country is de facto autocratic only, without fascism in general. As for that speech - it was a pretext, not the real reason, just like with Crimea where the 2 million local Russians were secondary (and a big expense...) to the naval base and blocking Ukraine.

No need to mix everything together.

I didn't know much about this conflict, I read some stuff from legit sources. Ukrainians clearly fight for survival, I'm not saying that Russians are good here, however based on my sources, the Ukrainians left the nazi battalions free to act with heavy equipment for 8 years and they signed a law that degrades some minorities and the Russians of Ukraine. These are real facts that happened, it's not propaganda or lies. No this doesn't mean that Putin is the good guy here but seriously, why would Ukraine act in this manner?

In my state, we had nazis too who were far more moderate than Ukrainian nazis (didn't kill nearly as much) and we put them in jail. Ukrainians acted without moderation, it was stupid what they did, not sure how you can't see that.

Azov was moved to sidelines after Ukraine's army got itself together. The issue is overblown. Sure there are problems, sure some important people in Ukraine should shut up but issue is not widespread and certainly not what Putler's propaganda says it is.