Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Collegeguy]

It was interesting early on the Russian military vehicles were painted with the letter Z, but now Russian state news hosts are using the same symbolism on shirts with the letter Z like a prideful Nazi movement.

[Vampiregenesis]

You do realize that every army in the world have a part of questionable people ? Even the russian army. The Azov battalion is what ? 2% of ukrainian force.

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Yeah but those are not allowed to act under their own will and if they commit a crime they go to jail. We are talking about criminal organizations here who were free to act based on their ideals without consequences. We are also talking about local authorities who oppressed some groups of people in several ways.

Does this make Putin right? Nope but it was really stupid anyway.

[Elegiac]

No, it is not. Stop using that word for everything you do not like.

It is literally run by a machismo-obsessed hypernationalist regime based on a cult of personality wherein freedom of expression and political dissidence are effectively outlawed, elections are largely a sham, and one where the state routinely engages in systematic oppression of minority demographics.

That's fascism.

Begs the question of why you're getting so defensive when people call out fascist politics for what they are. I suggest reading Umberto Eco sometime because y'all seem to be under the delusion that it's only fascism if it's speaking German and wearing a red armband.

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I didn't know much about this conflict, I read some stuff from legit sources.

RT and Sputnik are not "legit sources". You are repeating Kremlin propaganda pretty much verbatim at this point.

[Vampiregenesis]

It is literally run by a machismo-obsessed hypernationalist regime based on a cult of personality wherein freedom of expression and political dissidence are effectively outlawed, elections are largely a sham, and one where the state routinely engages in systematic oppression of minority demographics.

That's fascism.

Begs the question of why you're getting so defensive when people call out fascist politics for what they are. I suggest reading Umberto Eco sometime.

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RT and Sputnik are not "legit sources". You are repeating Kremlin propaganda pretty much verbatim at this point.

I saw it in a US documenter that was from Ukrainian POV and I read from neutral newspapers in my country that actually are pro-US and against Russia.

I don't know much about the Russian state but I have seen reports that Putin jails neonazis and that the state is Polyethnic, I have seen these reports from legit sources, not Russian ones, actually neonazis themselves have said that.

[Easo]

Microsoft joins, now that is going to be a real problem for Russia:

Microsoft (NASDAQ: MSFT) announced:
Like the rest of the world, we are horrified, angered and saddened by the images and news coming from the war in Ukraine and condemn this unjustified, unprovoked and unlawful invasion by Russia.
I want to use this blog to provide an update on Microsoft’s actions, building on the blog we shared earlier this week.
We are announcing today that we will suspend all new sales of Microsoft products and services in Russia.
In addition, we are coordinating closely and working in lockstep with the governments of the United States, the European Union and the United Kingdom, and we are stopping many aspects of our business in Russia in compliance with governmental sanctions decisions.

It was interesting early on the Russian military vehicles were painted with the letter Z, but now Russian state news hosts are using the same symbolism on shirts with the letter Z like a prideful Nazi movement.

Oh, there was something from a school where kids were asked to create some work regarding "Z" as the symbol for freeing/helping others, or something of the sort. Not gonna post it cause I don't have 146% confirmation it was not made up, but yeah, Z is appearing outside battlefield, expect idiots with that t-shirt in Europe very soon.

[Specialka]

It is literally run by a machismo-obsessed hypernationalist regime based on a cult of personality wherein freedom of expression and political dissidence are effectively outlawed, elections are largely a sham, and one where the state routinely engages in systematic oppression of minority demographics.

That's fascism.

Begs the question of why you're getting so defensive when people call out fascist politics for what they are. I suggest reading Umberto Eco sometime because y'all seem to be under the delusion that it's only fascism if it's speaking German and wearing a red armband.

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RT and Sputnik are not "legit sources". You are repeating Kremlin propaganda pretty much verbatim at this point.

How is that different from any other authoritarian state ? Unless every authoritarian state is fascist in your eyes.

[Elegiac]

I saw it in a US documanter and I read from neutral newspapers in my country that actually are pro-US and against Russia.

Then go ahead and link your sources.

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How is that different from any other authoritarian state?

Authoritarianism simply refers to a distribution of power focused on the top; most corporate workplaces are authoritarian, for example.

Fascism has specific ideological connotations to do with ultra-nationalism, ethnic supremacy, and reactionary politics.

[alkyd]

Then go ahead and link your sources.

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Authoritarianism simply refers to a distribution of power focused on the top; most corporate workplaces are authoritarian, for example.

Fascism has specific ideological connotations to do with ultra-nationalism, ethnic supremacy, and reactionary politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Russia

You can read the whole article.

or I just copy paste here:

Language and culture
Although the constitution of Russia recognizes Russian as the official language, the individual republics may declare one or more official languages. Most of subjects have at least two — Russian and the language of the "eponymous" nationality.[3] There is a lively minority language scene in most subjects of the country, with more than 1,350 newspapers and magazines, 300 TV channels and 250 radio stations in over 50 minority languages. Moreover, new legislation allows usage of minority languages in federal radio and TV broadcasting.[7]

In 2007, there were 6,260 schools which provided teaching in altogether 38 minority languages, and over 75 minority languages were taught as a discipline in 10,404 schools. Ministers of Council of Europe has noted efforts to improve the supply of minority language textbooks and teachers, as well as greater availability of minority language teaching. However, as Ministers has noted, there remain shortcomings in the access to education of persons belonging to certain minorities.[7]

There are more than 2,000 national minorities' public associations and 560 national cultural autonomies, however the Committee of Ministers has noted that in many regions amount of state support for the preservation and development of minority cultures is still inadequate.[7] There's a significant difference between "eponymous" ethnic groups and nationalities without their own national territory, as resources of the last are relatively limited.[3]

Indigenous peoples
Russia is also home of a particular category of minority peoples, i.e. small indigenous peoples of the North and Far East, who maintain very traditional lifestyles, often in a hazardous climatic environment, while adapting to the modern world.[3] After the fall of the Soviet Union, Russia passed legislation to protect rights of small northern indigenous peoples.[3]

Gil-Robles has noted agreements between indigenous representatives and oil companies, which are to compensate potential damages on peoples habitats due to oil exploration.[3] As Committee of Ministers of Council of Europe noted in 2007, despite some initiatives for development, the social and economic situation of numerically small indigenous peoples was affected by recent legislative amendments at the federal level, removing some positive measures as regards their access to land and other natural resources.[7]

In summary, Russia is going extra mile to protect minority ethnic groups, unlike its Western counterparts. That's not what a fascist state would do.

[Specialka]

Then go ahead and link your sources.

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Authoritarianism simply refers to a distribution of power focused on the top; most corporate workplaces are authoritarian, for example.

Fascism has specific ideological connotations to do with ultra-nationalism, ethnic supremacy, and reactionary politics.

And yet, still not fascism. Hardcore authoritarism for sure though.

[Gorsameth]

It was a fatal mistake from the Ukrainian government to let the nazis act without consequences or make them part of their army/police and the degradation of the Russian citizens or other minorities. Although one can say that Putin is the villain here, Ukrainians are not really good here. They would have much more leverage in the diplomacy stage if they acted with moderation. What they did goes against the values of the western world imo, they simply gave the right to the Russians to invade. I don't think the EU will accept them and I don't think USA will help either since they know very well these facts. Right now we have a big evil fighting a smaller evil, I don't think there is a good side here.

What in the actual fuck are you even talking about.

Ukraine invited invasion and gave Russia the right?

Are you for real?

[MCMLXXXII]

Then go ahead and link your sources.

Kind reminder that this is the same person asking for gore and horror clips from this war.

[Daymanmb]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Russia

You can read the whole article.

or I just copy paste here:

Theres got to be a point here some where. Can you articulate it for us?

In summary, Russia is going extra mile to protect minority ethnic groups, unlike its Western counterparts. That's not what a fascist state would do.

Oh there it is... and uh, yikes..

[Vampiregenesis]

Then go ahead and link your sources.

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Authoritarianism simply refers to a distribution of power focused on the top; most corporate workplaces are authoritarian, for example.

Fascism has specific ideological connotations to do with ultra-nationalism, ethnic supremacy, and reactionary politics.

I think it was this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMMXuKB0BoY&t=1120s

I can't link the newspapers because they are in a foreign language and you won't understand it however the foreign minister of our country who is ultra pro-US and Ultra anti-Russia said about the laws who were signed in Ukraine and it affected our minority there too besides the Russian one. They degraded some into secondary citizens.

[Barzotti]

Kind reminder that this is the same person asking for gore and horror clips from this war.

And the same person who says that Ukraine "gave the rights to the Russians to invade"

[Easo]

What in the actual fuck are you even talking about.

Ukraine invited invasion and gave Russia the right?

Are you for real?

What he is trying to say is that Ukraine is at fault for allowing nazis to roam freely too much. What he forgets is that Russia would have just used a different pretext instead.

[snebb]

Aeroflot has been ripped out of the 3 biggest GDS platforms used by travel agencies/management companies to access & sell flight availability. I know in a few weeks they would be struggling with plane maintenance anyway, but it will kill the aviation sector a little quicker..

Sabre, Amadeus and Travelport pull fares from Russian carrier Aeroflot following Ukraine invasion

There's a pun about sabre rattling in there somewhere.

[Poopymonster]

Microsoft joins, now that is going to be a real problem for Russia:

Microsoft (NASDAQ: MSFT) announced:
Like the rest of the world, we are horrified, angered and saddened by the images and news coming from the war in Ukraine and condemn this unjustified, unprovoked and unlawful invasion by Russia.
I want to use this blog to provide an update on Microsoft’s actions, building on the blog we shared earlier this week.
We are announcing today that we will suspend all new sales of Microsoft products and services in Russia.
In addition, we are coordinating closely and working in lockstep with the governments of the United States, the European Union and the United Kingdom, and we are stopping many aspects of our business in Russia in compliance with governmental sanctions decisions.



Oh, there was something from a school where kids were asked to create some work regarding "Z" as the symbol for freeing/helping others, or something of the sort. Not gonna post it cause I don't have 146% confirmation it was not made up, but yeah, Z is appearing outside battlefield, expect idiots with that t-shirt in Europe very soon.

OMG! Zanon inc!

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Aeroflot has been ripped out of the 3 biggest GDS platforms used by travel agencies/management companies to access & sell flight availability. I know in a few weeks they would be struggling with plane maintenance anyway, but it will kill the aviation sector a little quicker..

There's a pun about sabre rattling in there somewhere.

That kinda rocked me to be honest.

[Elegiac]

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That's nice, now do their anti-LGBT laws.

Or, better yet, Putain's stance on the ethnic identity of post-Soviet republics like Ukraine.

And yet, still not fascism.

"Because you say so" - sure, Jan. I don't see you providing a better alternative definition.

[MCMLXXXII]

That's nice, now do their anti-LGBT laws.

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"Because you say so" - sure, Jan. I don't see you providing a better alternative definition.

All those nazis are gay and also child -edited because it's against forum rules- . Like that?

[Breccia]

It was interesting early on the Russian military vehicles were painted with the letter Z

So they don't get shot by accident

but now Russian state news hosts are using the same symbolism on shirts with the letter Z like a prideful Nazi movement.

So they don't get shot on purpose. State news has to parrot the Putin message or they find you face-down in food poisoning under a window.