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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    That's nice, now do their anti-LGBT laws.

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    "Because you say so" - sure, Jan. I don't see you providing a better alternative definition.
    All those nazis are gay and also child -edited because it's against forum rules- . Like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Collegeguy View Post
    It was interesting early on the Russian military vehicles were painted with the letter Z
    So they don't get shot by accident

    Quote Originally Posted by Collegeguy View Post
    but now Russian state news hosts are using the same symbolism on shirts with the letter Z like a prideful Nazi movement.
    So they don't get shot on purpose. State news has to parrot the Putin message or they find you face-down in food poisoning under a window.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    That's nice, now do their anti-LGBT laws.
    Not gonna google that. Just gonna type from my head what I know.

    Cons:
    -Being LGBT is not illegal
    -LGBT bars/cafes/night clubs are not illegal and allowed

    Pros:
    -You can't publicly display you're LGBT such as holding arms or showing affection
    -No LGBT content is allowed on TV or ads to protect underage

    In summary, nothing different from the West except in the west these rules are unwritten, while Russia simply institutionalized them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Microsoft joins, now that is going to be a real problem for Russia:

    Microsoft (NASDAQ: MSFT) announced:
    Like the rest of the world, we are horrified, angered and saddened by the images and news coming from the war in Ukraine and condemn this unjustified, unprovoked and unlawful invasion by Russia.
    I want to use this blog to provide an update on Microsoft’s actions, building on the blog we shared earlier this week.
    We are announcing today that we will suspend all new sales of Microsoft products and services in Russia.
    In addition, we are coordinating closely and working in lockstep with the governments of the United States, the European Union and the United Kingdom, and we are stopping many aspects of our business in Russia in compliance with governmental sanctions decisions.
    You know, I wondered if Microsoft would ever dare to do something bold, like setting photos of war-ravaged cities/building blocks within Ukraine as the backdrop from the Windows login screen. Clearly labelled as 'destruction caused by Russian war in Ukraine'.

    Obviously, not gonna happen but it would be pretty impossible for Russia to censor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    I think it was this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMMXuKB0BoY&t=1120s

    I can't link the newspapers because they are in a foreign language and you won't understand it however the foreign minister of our country who is ultra pro-US and Ultra anti-Russia said about the laws who were signed in Ukraine and it affected our minority there too besides the Russian one. They degraded some into secondary citizens.
    So, basically a YouTube video from a tabloid and "newspaper articles that I can't link, just trust me".
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    That's nice, now do their anti-LGBT laws.

    Or, better yet, Putain's stance on the ethnic identity of post-Soviet republics like Ukraine.



    "Because you say so" - sure, Jan. I don't see you providing a better alternative definition.
    Authoritarism and conservative. There you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alkyd View Post
    Not gonna google that. Just gonna type from my head what I know.

    Cons:
    -Being LGBT is not illegal
    -LGBT bars/cafes/night clubs are not illegal and allowed

    Pros:
    -You can't publicly display you're LGBT such as holding arms or showing affection
    -No LGBT content is allowed on TV or ads to protect underage

    In summary, nothing different from the West except in the west these rules are unwritten, while Russia simply institutionalized them.
    So... yes, they legally discriminate against LGBT people and have their laws structured in such a way as to facilitate hate crimes against them, as I said.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alkyd View Post
    Not gonna google that. Just gonna type from my head what I know.

    Cons:
    -Being LGBT is not illegal
    -LGBT bars/cafes/night clubs are not illegal and allowed

    Pros:
    -You can't publicly display you're LGBT such as holding arms or showing affection
    -No LGBT content is allowed on TV or ads to protect underage

    In summary, nothing different from the West except in the west these rules are unwritten, while Russia simply institutionalized them.
    This is rich. It's not illegal, you can practice it in the gulag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Authoritarism and conservative. There you go.
    A better definition of fascism. You still haven't provided one.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Aluminium prices are on the rise. Man, Deripaska must be kicking himself right now. +30% and he's sanctioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    A better definition of fascism. You still haven't provided one.
    Why should I ? We are talking about Russia here, not nazi germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    This is rich. It's not illegal, you can practice it in the gulag.
    More likely practiced on you in the gulag.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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    @Elegiac @Hansworst

    I suggest you visit Moscow for some LGBT night scene after the war is over.

    But maybe you're both too homophobic to accept it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    And yet, still not fascism. Hardcore authoritarism for sure though.
    You have a poor understanding of what fascism actually is then. Putin's regime is probably the best example of modern-day fascism there is. What's the threshold between "hardcore authoritarianism" and fascism? Sounds like the use of euphemism on your part to me.
    Populists (and "national socialists") look at the supposedly secret deals that run the world "behind the scenes". Child's play. Except that childishness is sinister in adults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alkyd View Post
    Not gonna google that. Just gonna type from my head what I know.

    Cons:
    -Being LGBT is not illegal
    -LGBT bars/cafes/night clubs are not illegal and allowed

    Pros:
    -You can't publicly display you're LGBT such as holding arms or showing affection
    -No LGBT content is allowed on TV or ads to protect underage

    In summary, nothing different from the West except in the west these rules are unwritten, while Russia simply institutionalized them.
    To be honest, you can show that you are lgbt in the West (holding hands etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    You have a poor understanding of what fascism actually is then. Putin's regime is probably the best example of modern-day fascism there is. What's the threshold between "hardcore authoritarianism" and fascism? Sounds like the use of euphemism on your part to me.
    Fascism has to be from the northmost part of Fascia, otherwise it's just Sparkling Authoritarianism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    To be honest, you can show that you are lgbt in the West (holding hands etc)
    Unfortunately not in all parts of the West. You'd still be frowned upon and get aggressive reactions from passerbys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    You have a poor understanding of what fascism actually is then. Putin's regime is probably the best example of modern-day fascism there is. What's the threshold between "hardcore authoritarianism" and fascism? Sounds like the use of euphemism on your part to me.
    Then you would be wrong but I am not surprised. People tends to label anything authoritarian as fascism, it is the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Why should I ?
    Because if you're going to insist that something isn't fascist, you need to establish what your criteria for exclusion is.

    Though again, you clearly seem to think that it's only fascist if it's speaking German and wearing jackboots. Which is ironic because...

    We are talking about Russia here, not nazi germany.
    Fun fact: Umberto Eco was not discussing Nazi Germany when he wrote Ur-Fascism, either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alkyd View Post
    Unfortunately not in all parts of the West. You'd still be frowned upon and get aggressive reactions from passerbys.
    That is also true. Some society are more conservative than other.

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