Russian invasion of Ukraine

[alkyd]

That's nice, now do their anti-LGBT laws.

Not gonna google that. Just gonna type from my head what I know.

Cons:
-Being LGBT is not illegal
-LGBT bars/cafes/night clubs are not illegal and allowed

Pros:
-You can't publicly display you're LGBT such as holding arms or showing affection
-No LGBT content is allowed on TV or ads to protect underage

In summary, nothing different from the West except in the west these rules are unwritten, while Russia simply institutionalized them.

[snebb]

Microsoft joins, now that is going to be a real problem for Russia:

Microsoft (NASDAQ: MSFT) announced:
Like the rest of the world, we are horrified, angered and saddened by the images and news coming from the war in Ukraine and condemn this unjustified, unprovoked and unlawful invasion by Russia.
I want to use this blog to provide an update on Microsoft’s actions, building on the blog we shared earlier this week.
We are announcing today that we will suspend all new sales of Microsoft products and services in Russia.
In addition, we are coordinating closely and working in lockstep with the governments of the United States, the European Union and the United Kingdom, and we are stopping many aspects of our business in Russia in compliance with governmental sanctions decisions.

You know, I wondered if Microsoft would ever dare to do something bold, like setting photos of war-ravaged cities/building blocks within Ukraine as the backdrop from the Windows login screen. Clearly labelled as 'destruction caused by Russian war in Ukraine'.

Obviously, not gonna happen but it would be pretty impossible for Russia to censor.

[Elegiac]

I think it was this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMMXuKB0BoY&t=1120s

I can't link the newspapers because they are in a foreign language and you won't understand it however the foreign minister of our country who is ultra pro-US and Ultra anti-Russia said about the laws who were signed in Ukraine and it affected our minority there too besides the Russian one. They degraded some into secondary citizens.

So, basically a YouTube video from a tabloid and "newspaper articles that I can't link, just trust me".

[Specialka]

That's nice, now do their anti-LGBT laws.

Or, better yet, Putain's stance on the ethnic identity of post-Soviet republics like Ukraine.



"Because you say so" - sure, Jan. I don't see you providing a better alternative definition.

Authoritarism and conservative. There you go.

[Elegiac]

Not gonna google that. Just gonna type from my head what I know.

Cons:
-Being LGBT is not illegal
-LGBT bars/cafes/night clubs are not illegal and allowed

Pros:
-You can't publicly display you're LGBT such as holding arms or showing affection
-No LGBT content is allowed on TV or ads to protect underage

In summary, nothing different from the West except in the west these rules are unwritten, while Russia simply institutionalized them.

So... yes, they legally discriminate against LGBT people and have their laws structured in such a way as to facilitate hate crimes against them, as I said.

[MCMLXXXII]

Not gonna google that. Just gonna type from my head what I know.

Cons:
-Being LGBT is not illegal
-LGBT bars/cafes/night clubs are not illegal and allowed

Pros:
-You can't publicly display you're LGBT such as holding arms or showing affection
-No LGBT content is allowed on TV or ads to protect underage

In summary, nothing different from the West except in the west these rules are unwritten, while Russia simply institutionalized them.

This is rich. It's not illegal, you can practice it in the gulag.

[Elegiac]

Authoritarism and conservative. There you go.

A better definition of fascism. You still haven't provided one.

[Breccia]

Aluminium prices are on the rise. Man, Deripaska must be kicking himself right now. +30% and he's sanctioned.

[Specialka]

A better definition of fascism. You still haven't provided one.

Why should I ? We are talking about Russia here, not nazi germany.

[Poopymonster]

This is rich. It's not illegal, you can practice it in the gulag.

More likely practiced on you in the gulag.

[alkyd]

@Elegiac @Hansworst

I suggest you visit Moscow for some LGBT night scene after the war is over.

But maybe you're both too homophobic to accept it.

[downnola]

And yet, still not fascism. Hardcore authoritarism for sure though.

You have a poor understanding of what fascism actually is then. Putin's regime is probably the best example of modern-day fascism there is. What's the threshold between "hardcore authoritarianism" and fascism? Sounds like the use of euphemism on your part to me.

[Specialka]

Not gonna google that. Just gonna type from my head what I know.

Cons:
-Being LGBT is not illegal
-LGBT bars/cafes/night clubs are not illegal and allowed

Pros:
-You can't publicly display you're LGBT such as holding arms or showing affection
-No LGBT content is allowed on TV or ads to protect underage

In summary, nothing different from the West except in the west these rules are unwritten, while Russia simply institutionalized them.

To be honest, you can show that you are lgbt in the West (holding hands etc)

[Poopymonster]

You have a poor understanding of what fascism actually is then. Putin's regime is probably the best example of modern-day fascism there is. What's the threshold between "hardcore authoritarianism" and fascism? Sounds like the use of euphemism on your part to me.

Fascism has to be from the northmost part of Fascia, otherwise it's just Sparkling Authoritarianism.
/s

[alkyd]

To be honest, you can show that you are lgbt in the West (holding hands etc)

Unfortunately not in all parts of the West. You'd still be frowned upon and get aggressive reactions from passerbys.

[Specialka]

You have a poor understanding of what fascism actually is then. Putin's regime is probably the best example of modern-day fascism there is. What's the threshold between "hardcore authoritarianism" and fascism? Sounds like the use of euphemism on your part to me.

Then you would be wrong but I am not surprised. People tends to label anything authoritarian as fascism, it is the other way around.

[Elegiac]

Why should I ?

Because if you're going to insist that something isn't fascist, you need to establish what your criteria for exclusion is.

Though again, you clearly seem to think that it's only fascist if it's speaking German and wearing jackboots. Which is ironic because...

We are talking about Russia here, not nazi germany.

Fun fact: Umberto Eco was not discussing Nazi Germany when he wrote Ur-Fascism, either.

[Specialka]

Unfortunately not in all parts of the West. You'd still be frowned upon and get aggressive reactions from passerbys.

That is also true. Some society are more conservative than other.

[Elegiac]

Unfortunately not in all parts of the West. You'd still be frowned upon and get aggressive reactions from passerbys.

Key difference is that in most parts of the West, aggressive reactions border into illegality. In Russia, the law is designed to protect said reactions.

Nor, as I said, is it the only qualifier for what makes Russia a fascist state. Being homophobic does not automatically make you a fascist, but most fascists tend to be homophobes for Reasons™ related to aforementioned obsession with machismo:

12: Machismo and Weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”

[alkyd]

Key difference is that in most parts of the West, aggressive reactions border into illegality. In Russia, the law is designed to protect said reactions.

Nor, as I said, is it the only qualifier for what makes Russia a fascist state. Being homophobic does not automatically make you a fascist, but most fascists tend to be homophobes for Reasons™:

12: Machismo and Weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”

Russia is not a fascist state. You probably have never seen what actual racism is? May be you should travel a bit more.