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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    it's also full of Russian protests against the war. Is that propaganda?
    the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person

    ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause
    The definition is quite vague, so technically, yes. However I'm glad to see the Russian people protesting, even as they know it can get them arrested or worse. That just proves how bad this is. Putin is using the Russian people as hostages, making it look like actions against him become actions against the Russian people. The person responsible for that, is Putin. If the lives of his people were that important, he wouldn't have invaded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker76 View Post
    "What would @Skroe do?" people keep asking. He would remind people that there was only one pro-NATO candidate in 2016.
    Here's one from his greatest hits collection:

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    I have said on many occasions that I believe that the main geopolitical struggle in the 21st Century will be between the United States and China. On the line is the right to dictate the world order as we know it. The United States has tremendous advantages in this fight as the incumbent and _will_ win it, so long as we think with our brains and not our balls. Case in point, with the EU in disarray, the US is not strong enough to take on Russia, Islamic terrorism, Iran, North Korea and China, simultaneously, and alone. We need to tread very carefully and pick our battles one and two at a time. China is the biggest problem of that list. It is also the most long term.

    North Korea will almost certainly have ballistic missile capability to strike the Western US next year. Unless we're going to drop a trillion dollars and invade and occupy North Korea, it will be China that we will pressure to clean up that mess.

    Iran's non-nuclear assertiveness continues to be a problem, thanks to the feckless and delusional Obama Administration. It needs to be put back in it's place.

    Russia is in a protracted, ruinous decline (don't let Putin's showmanship fool you). Rand Corp and STRATFOR identified the coming disruption in Russia and Central Asia as the key American geopolitical challenge of the 2020s. Don't be surprised if the Russian Federation goes the way of Yugoslavia in the next 10-15 years.

    At the end of this gauntlet we must run, is our confrontation with China that will be Cold War II with a less expansive, but much more technologically advanced and economically powerful rival than the USSR was.

    This is a key reason I voted for Hillary Clinton. She, as a member of the US foreign policy / security establishment KNEW this. Mattis knows this. Petraeus knows this. This is why the former head of Pacific Command described TPP as important to him as an Aircraft carrier. This is why the US Military is reluctant to do more than it is doing now versus ISIS, because every dollar spent hammering them is a dollar spent not modernizing the US military for conventional conflicts versus Russia and China, and potentially Iran and North Korea.

    We need to tread very, very carefully. The United States is still the most powerful country in the world. In many ways it's never been as powerful as it is today, though it's relative power has somewhat declined thanks to the Rise of China (that is to say, the gap between The US+China and everyone else has widened considerably). But these problems are far more complicated than at any time during the Cold War and America's allies, while more numerous, are weaker today than they were 30 years ago. That will not be the case a decade hence, but in 2016, that is where we standing.

    We think with our brains, we'll win the world. We think with our balls, and before the century is out, in all ways that matter, China will rule the Earth.

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    cmon lads he would be tweeting about the wuhan virus and making mueller part 7 threads where trump is doomed but somehow easily gets away from it, he was an american supremacist republican and his brain got smoothed so hard from posting he got perma'd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Am I reading this wrong or are you excusing war crimes?
    Dude finds a way to justify basically everything Israel does to the Palestinians, so it would be par for the course here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    Zelensky's social media game is so on point it will be historically noteworthy. Especially in contrast to the embarrassing social media propaganda of Russia.
    It is scary, even the Russians admit that Russia has no chance versus Ukraine and the rest of the West in the social media and propaganda front.

    Many Russians are being informed about Ukraine containing Nazi army/parties, as well as being a threat between the Russian borders and the EU. Apparently, a few of the protests reported by the west to be taking place in Russia are falsely flagged though; they aren't protesting against the decision of war but against the west due to the sanctions. Apparently, they all cheered when the Oligarchs were sanctioned but the little person pushes people to support Putin more in the end.

    It is scary when you are told what things are from other people on the other side of the border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    You're asking what's wrong with the GOP? The guys that thought Trump was sane enough to be President? lol
    Point taken lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gehco View Post
    It is scary, even the Russians admit that Russia has no chance versus Ukraine and the rest of the West in the social media and propaganda front.
    To be fair, it's pretty easy to admit that when you can't get on YouTube, FB or Twitter. At some point, Russia will be the best orator in an empty theater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    To be fair, it's pretty easy to admit that when you can't get on YouTube, FB or Twitter. At some point, Russia will be the best orator in an empty theater.
    Come to think of this. With all those payment methods being cut, can Russians even pay for WoW now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Come to think of this. With all those payment methods being cut, can Russians even pay for WoW now?
    The wording in ActiBlizzion's announcement seems to indicate that no subscriptions can be renewed; and as you said, the lack of available payment methods means that even if they could it'd be hard for them to do so.

    Not sure how that applies to people who pay for their subs through tokens, but it's likely a lot of Russian players will disappear from the servers within the month.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    can Russians even pay for WoW now?
    They can probably still use WoW tokens from the AH. That's a sealed system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    To be fair, it's pretty easy to admit that when you can't get on YouTube, FB or Twitter. At some point, Russia will be the best orator in an empty theater.
    They still have access to those sites as long as there is a connection to the internet. Problem is, Russia is not on the media and propaganda wagon further than the reasoning their people have already been told since 2014, unlike Ukraine and the west. I am not defending, I am just sharing the views that Russian friends of mine experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    The wording in ActiBlizzion's announcement seems to indicate that no subscriptions can be renewed; and as you said, the lack of available payment methods means that even if they could it'd be hard for them to do so.

    Not sure how that applies to people who pay for their subs through tokens, but it's likely a lot of Russian players will disappear from the servers within the month.
    They should have banned the whole lot in the first place, not just block payments.
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    They can probably still use WoW tokens from the AH. That's a sealed system.
    Fun Fact: One (1) WoW token is currently worth 2480 rubles or approximately 17% of your monthly wage if you're Russian.

    For reference, if you make the minimum wage in the US it amounts to less than 2% of your monthly income.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Come to think of this. With all those payment methods being cut, can Russians even pay for WoW now?
    My friends can only access the token at the auction. There is no method of buying a token with real money or even resubscribing for them, could be due to their bank or not, but their experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    They should have banned the whole lot in the first place, not just block payments.
    That makes no sense, I doubt Putin or his cronies play WoW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    That makes no sense, I doubt Putin or his cronies play WoW.
    Sure he doesnt??

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    That makes no sense, I doubt Putin or his cronies play WoW.
    Nor do they play competitive sports. But all these sanctions are also targeting normal Russians to create internal pressure. And also we reached an avalanche stage, when NOT banning Russians is now being perceived badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Sure he doesnt??
    He defo that belf pala that griefed me last week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Sure he doesnt??
    Last I heard he had a main called XxLegolaSxX

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    In the majority of cases the equipment losses by the Russians are verified, not just conjecture. Documented OSINT equipment losses don't just go off of simple paint (lol). These are confirmed losses matching unit designations, equipment models, etc. There has been *a lot* of T-80, Panstirs, etc. and other newer hardware destroyed and captured which is equipment that Ukraine does not and did not have. Writing them off as all old T-72Bs repainted is a fantasy that is easily disproven. In half of the cases we have the accompanying video of the Russian equipment or aircraft being destroyed as well. So it's important to at least level set on the situation there which has a lot of hard supporting evidence. Even if you go off the Russian MOD's admitted (and very likely low) losses they are still very high. Just writing Russia's situation off as 'media lies so I don't believe anything' is not really helpful to the discussion.

    Anyway, a concern now has to be Russia's state-of-mind and stability over the next coming months. Their losses in Ukraine are unsustainable. The economic impact of the sanctions are unsustainable. Global outrage and repercussions will only increase as civilian deaths mount. One report today mentioned June as likely the internal "deadline" for Russia to be able to withstand the pressure of the sanctions before shortages and the economy would bring things to near-collapse. Keep in mind also that Russia's official military doctrine includes justifying the use of tactical nukes to force negotiations if they begin to lose in a war. As unpredictable as Putin has been I don't think he would start a major WW3 nuclear attack unless it was an absolute last resort. The more likely danger though is that as this unwinnable war drags on and the (particularly food) shortages and economic situation in Russia deteriorates, we could see Russia do something horrible but more limited like an unconventional attack on 1 Ukrainian city to try to force a surrender or negotiations. Either way this doesn't seem to be a situation where Russia can afford politically, militarily, or economically to indefinitely occupy Ukraine, even if/when they manage to eventually defeat Ukraine's military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    That makes no sense, I doubt Putin or his cronies play WoW.
    Oh, is that what the sanctions are supposed to do? Make billionaires poor magically?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Fun Fact: One (1) WoW token is currently worth 2480 rubles or approximately 17% of your monthly wage if you're Russian.

    For reference, if you make the minimum wage in the US it amounts to less than 2% of your monthly income.
    Wow. Um, I mean, jeez. Hadn't thought of it like that before.

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