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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Well, the ruble just hit a new low... again... this morning. It's down to 0.0072 USD (139 per USD). That's roughly half of what it was just prior to the Ukraine invasion, a quarter of what it was before the Crimea invasion in 2014, and one sixth of what it was before the Georgia invasion in 2008.

    Good job, Putler.
    As a reference for folks as to what this represents in consumer terms: last time I posted that a WoW token was worth the equivalent of 17% of Russian monthly minimum wage. This new drop has inflated that to 20% of Russian monthly minimum wage - compared to less than 2% of the American monthly minimum wage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    As a reference for folks as to what this represents in consumer terms: last time I posted that a WoW token was worth the equivalent of 17% of Russian monthly minimum wage. This new drop has inflated that to 20% of Russian monthly minimum wage - compared to less than 2% of the American monthly minimum wage.
    Ye, I just realized that I have not seen a single Cyrillic name in-game for entire week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Ye, I just realized that I have not seen a single Cyrillic name in-game for entire week.
    Kinda hard to afford a subscription based game if your currency is worth less than Robux.

    Due to international sanctions against Russia, the ruble has tumbled in value—so far, in fact, it’s now worth less than a Robux. That’s really bad news for the ruble, because the Robux is a video game currency that’s mostly meaningful only to children.

    Roblox, also known as “that game your kids play that looks like Minecraft but isn’t,” has been around for over a decade. But with an explosion of at-home players during the pandemic, it’s gone from fad to phenomenon, now boasting more than 100 million active players. It’s so popular that its virtual currency value, which can in fact be converted back into US dollars, is now worth approximately $.0125, which is more than the Russian Federation’s ruble.
    This article was written last week, mind you. It's only gotten worse.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Well, the last time Russia mobilized their army and started shelling a city, it was Stalin.
    Grozny begs to differ. What's left of them, anyway.

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    3rd round of talks confirmed today at 16.00 Kiev time. Additionaly - Lavrov will meet Kuleba in Turkey on Thursday.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Grozny begs to differ. What's left of them, anyway.
    Grozny is another example that there is nothing money can't fix (or buy).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    This article was written last week, mind you. It's only gotten worse.
    As of this morning, the ruble is now worth 0.007 dollars. It was 0.013 in the middle of February.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    As of this morning, the ruble is now worth 0.007 dollars. It was 0.013 in the middle of February.
    I hate to burst bubbles but Russia will survive this it takes a lot for an economy to crumble to pieces especially one where the government can do whatever it wants without checks or balances. The only people that can topple Putin are in his inner circle and unless something major changes I don't see them getting rid of him.
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    Clearly Putin wanted Russians to relive the 90's. Make Russia Poor Again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    I hate to burst bubbles but Russia will survive this
    Russia probably will.

    Putain's regime is a different story, especially when you remember that those keeping him in power are oligarchs. Money matters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    You would have been better off pointing to the fact that Putin speaks fluent German than that picture
    ....Germaphobe doesn't mean anti-German, dude.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Clearly Putin wanted Russians to relive the 90's. Make Russia Poor Again?
    Fuck, I can't wait until they're an isolated 3rd world shithole ala North Korea. That is 100% the path they're heading if Putler isn't removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Russia probably will.

    Putain's regime is a different story, especially when you remember that those keeping him in power are oligarchs. Money matters.
    Of course it does but Oligarchs have less power now than ever before Putin has seen to that, they aren't going to be the game changer people think they are.

    My fault I misread that as Germanphobe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Fuck, I can't wait until they're an isolated 3rd world shithole ala North Korea. That is 100% the path they're heading if Putler isn't removed.
    Not likely Russia has too much natural resources and frankly I don't think the world can last that long. The basic facts are humans tend to be very selfish and this is going to start hitting people's wallets all around the world too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    I hate to burst bubbles but Russia will survive this it takes a lot for an economy to crumble to pieces especially one where the government can do whatever it wants without checks or balances. The only people that can topple Putin are in his inner circle and unless something major changes I don't see them getting rid of him.
    Diff definitions of survival

    Venezuela survived but its not exactly a country other ppl want to emulate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    I hate to burst bubbles but Russia will survive this it takes a lot for an economy to crumble to pieces especially one where the government can do whatever it wants without checks or balances. The only people that can topple Putin are in his inner circle and unless something major changes I don't see them getting rid of him.
    Pretty much.

    I'm sure Putin/Russia bank on pulling out another Iran. Few years of pain and then some agreement where they get much of what they want and $$ for peanuts and promises.

    Any sort of putsch by elites will have to wait quite a bit until after "Russia stronk" moment chills a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Diff definitions of survival

    Venezuela survived but its not exactly a country other ppl want to emulate

    Russia is definitely not Venezuela by a mile not the same situation again the world isn't going to last long enough for it to get really bad.

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    Kremlin has put out a list of demands to end the war. Recognise Crimea as Russian, recognise the seperatists as independent and rewrite the constitution to ban joining any blocs (is NATO and EU).

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    Plane of the Yanukovich is about to arrive in Minsk. Please don't tell me he is one of the demands by Russia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Kremlin has put out a list of demands to end the war. Recognise Crimea as Russian, recognise the seperatists as independent and rewrite the constitution to ban joining any blocs (is NATO and EU).
    Yep, and missing "denazification" and "demilitarization", though those two were never really defined as to what exactly do they mean. I naively hope we are in the territory of actual deal happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Kremlin has put out a list of demands to end the war. Recognise Crimea as Russian, recognise the seperatists as independent and rewrite the constitution to ban joining any blocs (is NATO and EU).
    Nothing about denazification and demilitarisation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Kremlin has put out a list of demands to end the war. Recognise Crimea as Russian, recognise the seperatists as independent and rewrite the constitution to ban joining any blocs (is NATO and EU).
    I hope the Ukrainians wipe their ass with that document.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Kremlin has put out a list of demands to end the war. Recognise Crimea as Russian, recognise the seperatists as independent and rewrite the constitution to ban joining any blocs (is NATO and EU).
    Sad thing is, he'll probably get what he wants. As long as the west isn't willing to go to war Ukraine will, in the end, lose to Russia. It might be very costly for Russia (meaning even more than it already is), but they'll never be able to stop Russia indefinitly.

    And then there is the question of the country's future. With them being unable to join the EU and NATO, the threat of Russia simply doing the same shit again remains. A decent chunk of people who fled might not want to return, and more might follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Kremlin has put out a list of demands to end the war. Recognise Crimea as Russian, recognise the seperatists as independent and rewrite the constitution to ban joining any blocs (is NATO and EU).
    I think what could happen is that "republics" will get autonomy self-governance within Ukraine. Ukraine will agree to not make moves towards NATO specifically, but no guarantees about EU and Crimea might actually become Russian if Russia will be willing to pay reparations. Some sanctions will be lifted.

    It is pretty obvious that despite all the bluster Ukraine will have to give at least some candy to Russia to avoid further destruction. Above seems the most plausible.

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