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    https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/s...86096837849099

    FM #Lavrov: The goal of Russia’s special military operation is to stop any war that could take place on Ukrainian territory or that could start from there.


    Nice thinking, we start a war to avoid having a war :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapemask View Post
    NATO just re-iterated, for about the 43rd time now, that they will not establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine because this would effectively put them directly in combat with Russia.

    I really wonder how long it's going to be before Putin says directly, "If you're giving Ukraine weapons to fight me, you are in a war with me," because it really is kind of true. If I give you a weapon to kill someone with, knowing that you're going to kill them, and I intend to help you kill them, I go to jail for murder, too. It's only a matter of time before Putin drops the ultimatum, and I wonder if NATO is going to give him the appropriate "fight me bitch" response or just scurry out of Ukraine.
    That would pretty much defeat the purpose of international arms dealing which is a massive part of the military industrial complex and the world economy as a whole. Even the US imports arms from its allies.

    The Ukrainian military was largely supplied and trained by NATO nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker76 View Post
    Stoopid Yankees cannot comprehend our brilliant startergies! They have a connection with China that Westerners cannot comprhend...

    Russia Recognizes Taiwan as a country.

    The Kremlin has approved a list of countries who have been “unfriendly” to Russia. They include:

    Liechtenstein, San Marino
    Man, talk about a few countries I haven't even heard mentioned in like, forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Speaking of propaganda, Russia lines up children with terminal cancer in the shape of a Z to... Uh... Support(?) their troops abroad.

    How anyone thought that this was a good idea is beyond me, but I have a certain amount of morals, so maybe I'm just not built to get it.
    That's cool, turning kids with cancer into political props.

    Fuckin rad and totally what healthy countries do.

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    A lot of the 'boycotts' and :service bans' I see aimed at Russia are weird, might even be counterproductive.

    Large state-wide services make sense. Banks, enterprise level services, sanction/restrict all of that. Hit Putin and the government where it hurts.

    All this little shit, that only impacts the average Russian trying to make it through their day, stuff that amounts to marketing campaigns is annoying and counterproductive. Dumping vodka that probably wasn't even made in Russia, blocking Russia nationals from online platforms, uninviting your friend whose grandmother lived in Russia, boycotting McDonald's because a McDonald's exists in Russia, clown shit. Only makes it easier for Putin's propaganda machine to say to say all of Russia's problems are due to the the world and that the world is out to get, and thus they should be cold towards the world back - damned if you do, damned if you don't.


    People are unironically out here harassing anyone from Russia because Putin as if they have any say over that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    "I endorse and support a lot of genocides, globally" is certainly . . . a take.
    Then you aren't talking to me but the made up version you have in your head. I have already stated what I think should be done, Ukraine didn't just happen two weeks ago we had years to prevent this but didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Indeed. It's good to see that this isn't one of them.
    As long as Ukraine keeps the world attention, how long do you think that will be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Then you aren't talking to me but the made up version you have in your head. I have already stated what I think should be done, Ukraine didn't just happen two weeks ago we had years to prevent this but didn't.
    And so now that it's actually happening we should just, what, not give a shit because we didn't do anything earlier? Let the Ukrainian people suffer for our lack of foresight and the fact that Donald Trump's mouth was permanently affixed to Vladamir Putin's junk? Bemoaning what should have been done earlier does absolutely jack shit to fix the problem now.

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    I was expecting this. Still "Yikes."

    UBS Triggers Margin Calls as Russia Bond Values Cut to Zero

    The Swiss wealth manager is calling on some investors to add either cash or securities to their portfolio after cutting the lending value of some Russian bonds to zero, people with knowledge of the matter said. While the sovereign bonds still trade around 50 cents on dollar, and many Russian corporate bonds are well above that, UBS’s move signals it essentially will no longer accept them as collateral.

    Credit Suisse just joined UBS.
    Last edited by Rasulis; 2022-03-07 at 09:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    And so now that it's actually happening we should just, what, not give a shit because we didn't do anything earlier? Let the Ukrainian people suffer for our lack of foresight and the fact that Donald Trump's mouth was permanently affixed to Vladamir Putin's junk? Bemoaning what should have been done earlier does absolutely jack shit to fix the problem now.
    Where did I say any of this in what I stated should be done now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    It'd be complete bullshit on the part of Russia to do that, too.

    There's a very extensive precedent of a country supplying arms to another not making them an actual active belligerent in that conflict.
    This really don't hold up either tbh because western countries are accusing iran for doing exactly this.
    Regardless though. Outside of acting though and trying to scare the west there is really no point in saying this because Russia isn't any better. AH well, given how much Russian army is struggling I honestly doubt that Putin is ready to go to war against Nato.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    how long do you think that will be?
    I mean, the US has been waiting for a good fight with Russia since at least the 80's. So...indefinitely?

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    This is interesting. Normally when bond get this low, there will be vultures picking off the dead body. According to Bloomberg, there are zero trade of Russian bond right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    I mean, the US has been waiting for a good fight with Russia since at least the 80's. So...indefinitely?
    That's mostly the establishment and the government remember China we were grrr at them a few weeks ago too. The American public gets exhausted rather quickly. The midterms, gas prices and inflation will take the focus If oil goes to $200+ per gallon like predicted that will be people's main worry not Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    It'd be complete bullshit on the part of Russia to do that, too.

    There's a very extensive precedent of a country supplying arms to another not making them an actual active belligerent in that conflict.
    The real problem here is that Putin needs this to stop before his country crumbles to dust. Although at this point I don't think even lifting sanctions and ending western aid would fix Russia's problems - good luck convincing private companies to go back into Russia, at least while the general public is paying so much attention to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Not even close, my point was Europe will hurt too and that will have some die effects. The sanctions should not be the sole focus the other options have been slow going or not moving at all it's mostly been about sanctions.
    The projected damage on european countries is 0,2-0,5% GDP. For russia, it will be ~10 % yearly. Bring it on i say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XDurionX View Post
    The projected damage on european countries is 0,2-0,5% GDP. For russia, it will be ~10 % yearly. Bring it on i say.
    Those numbers seem to be on the low side for both the SWIFT change alone was a projected 5% GDP loss for Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XDurionX View Post
    The projected damage on european countries is 0,2-0,5% GDP. For russia, it will be ~10 % yearly. Bring it on i say.
    And what's the damage to Ukraine? If you're willing to use them as a sacrificial pawn, so be it. I'm sure the West is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    And what's the damage to Ukraine? If you're willing to use them as a sacrificial pawn, so be it. I'm sure the West is.
    A pawn presumes that the west would control Ukraine, or has control over them now. It's a shitty, awful, no-good situation, but are you gonna go sign up to fight in the war?

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    Zelenskyy is going to address the UK parliament tomorrow via video link. I can't remember something like this happening before. He's probably going to ask for a no-fly zone, and he won't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    Zelenskyy is going to address the UK parliament tomorrow via video link. I can't remember something like this happening before. He's probably going to ask for a no-fly zone, and he won't get it.
    Hopefully if the Ukrainian ambassador requests MP's don't share images from the meeting that they actually don't. And that Zelensky doesn't have to stop in the middle of his speech to ask one of them to mute their damned mics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    A pawn presumes that the west would control Ukraine, or has control over them now. It's a shitty, awful, no-good situation, but are you gonna go sign up to fight in the war?
    If you don't think that Western powers will try to push this situation in whatever direction benefits them the most, regardless of harm to Ukraine, I think you're pretty naïve.

    All these people who saying "bring it on" who want to prolong this conflict for the sake of damaging Russia further, just need to be aware that it's the Ukrainian people who are actually bearing the burden. Your higher gas prices or wheat shortages are nothing compared to the cost of war in Ukraine.

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