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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazza View Post
    At least yours won't have expired a decade ago
    If I recall they're more...chewy when they're that old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    All you're doing here is trying to shift the blame away from Russia's revanchist foreign policy for this war. Not everything that happens in the world is the "West's" fault. Leave it to Americans to be so narcissistic and self-centered that they have to make themselves the root of all problems in the world.
    No, I'm not. Nothing I said is blaming the West and certainly not more than the Russia. Obviously Russia is the aggressor and the invasion is beyond unjustified. I'm just telling people to be realistic about the West's interests here, because the West certainly doesn't care about Ukrainian sovereignty beyond what it can provide them materially.

    You've got a bunch of people here cheerleading for Ukraine to dismiss Russian demands and saying they're willing to pay more for gas, in favor of protracted conflict because they want to hurt Russia. And sure, it's nice to fantasize that Russia will get stuck in an unwinnable war and a revolution will happen that ousts the Putin regime, or even that the cost of war will be such that Russia spreads its forces too thin, can't supply them, and gets completely driven out.

    Unfortunately I think what's more likely is that Russia will continue ramping up brutality, resulting in a refugee crisis and thousands or tens of thousands more civilian deaths. And then they'll attempt to occupy Ukraine, and there will be an insurgency, and Ukraine will have a decade of war and instability and destroyed infrastructure and death.

    My sincere hope is that Ukraine can pressure Russia to cave on some of their demands. The NATO, Crimea, and autonomous separatist bits are probably non-starters, but they can probably get Russia to give up the demands to install a PM and leave open the possibility of joining the EU.

    And hopefully they'll get into the EU and will further increase their ties to the West, complete with an even further strengthened military that will make Russia think twice before doing this again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post
    Russia has 3 million military counting reserves. They can raise about another 50 million in the military-age population if they wanted. Just an FYI the US can match that just calling men and double it if they call up women.
    Right, I knew the 3 million figure includes the reservists, but in the scenario where they'd draft 50 million extra people they'd be bleeding dry in days due to no one doing any work. This isn't Valhalla or Cadia.

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    Personally, to me the loss of the food supply for the Middle Eastern and African countries is a more pressing issue than oil/gas. Lebanon, Yemen, Syria and Tunisia depend on grains from Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    Personally, to me the loss of the food supply for the Middle Eastern and African countries is a more pressing issue than oil/gas. Lebanon, Yemen, Syria and Tunisia depend on grains from Ukraine.
    To really help Yemen, Saudi Arabia just needs to be put under the same pressure that Russia is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Right, I knew the 3 million figure includes the reservists, but in the scenario where they'd draft 50 million extra people they'd be bleeding dry in days due to no one doing any work. This isn't Valhalla or Cadia.
    Krieg could do it. You'd have to stop them from making it 100 million.

    OT: They'd raise 50 million. Then you have deserters.
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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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    Seeing various reports on social media suggesting Russia just finished encircling Ukrainian forces in Dontestk and Luhansk region, creating a cauldron or being very close to doing so.

    If those reports hold up, it means a substantial number of Ukrainian forces are going to be encircled or they have to flee to Dnipro, which is a tall order over open fields targeted by Russian artillery and jets.

    Regardless Ukraine has a major problem on their hands. Russian forces are marching towards the Dnieper, and if they reach and secure access to the bridges there is no way for Ukrainian forces to retreat or be resupplied in sufficient numbers. Before the war started Ukraine had an enormous number of assets in the area of East Ukraine, including 2 of it's 5 tank brigades, several infantry and mechanized brigades. Their loss would be an enormous blow to Ukraine's military since they can't replace the lost vehicles and any troops they mobilize from now are going to be mainly infantry.
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    How tf does anyone even entertain the idea of Russia calling in its 3 million full time + reservist when they can barely feed/arm/supply less than 150K out in the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Right, I knew the 3 million figure includes the reservists, but in the scenario where they'd draft 50 million extra people they'd be bleeding dry in days due to no one doing any work. This isn't Valhalla or Cadia.
    Yeah, theoretical amount of men you can raise counts for very little. Besides, Russia might have mandatory military service, but that doesn't mean the 34 years old accountant in Moscow or the 45 year old farmer out in the Oblast can be expected to show up and be an effective, disciplined soldier on the spot. Modern warfare isn't about throwing dudes at the enemy. To say nothing of supplying such a humongous force, when Russia has proven it's got trouble supplying a couple hundred thousand men effectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    Yeah, theoretical amount of men you can raise counts for very little. Besides, Russia might have mandatory military service, but that doesn't mean the 34 years old accountant in Moscow or the 45 year old farmer out in the Oblast can be expected to show up and be an effective, disciplined soldier on the spot. Modern warfare isn't about throwing dudes at the enemy. To say nothing of supplying such a humongous force, when Russia has proven it's got trouble supplying a couple hundred thousand men effectively.
    And leaving aside how many of them are already deserting once they realize they're just slaughtering Ukrainians and annexing their country instead of liberating them from what turns out to be a fictional fascist dictatorship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    And leaving aside how many of them are already deserting once they realize they're just slaughtering Ukrainians and annexing their country instead of liberating them from what turns out to be a fictional fascist dictatorship.
    I'm always wary of assuming this is a large scale phenomenon due to fog of war and such. Certainly it's happened but who knows how often.

    That said, to be sure random conscripts torn away from their families and livelihood and told to go stamp on a people most of them consider a kindred nation certainly aren't going to make for the most motivated and loyal of troops. This isn't WW2 where the Soviet's constituent nations were blatantly fighting for their survival against an enemy who wanted to exterminate them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    To really help Yemen, Saudi Arabia just needs to be put under the same pressure that Russia is.
    Saudis couldn't give less of a flying fuck about Yemen or Lebanon for that matter. Hell, they've been starving Yemen intentionally.

    Add to that that OPEC was asked to pump more oil to stabilize markets. They roundly refused. They are fucking making a bank on this.

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    https://www.reddit.com/r/blackpeople..._form_of_news/

    After watching this, I finally feel informed on this war.

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    So the russian comms are fucked. The SBU is intercepting all thier calls because they are having to use insecure phones with local sims.

    'Russian forces had no choice but to use the insecure line because Era — the highly secure cryptophone system implemented last year by the Russian Ministry of Defense which is supposedly guaranteed to work "in all conditions" — is down. And the reason the system is down is that Russian forces on the front destroyed all of the nearby 3G and 4G cell towers required for the system to establish a connection.'

    The best one ive heard so far is a russian soldier calling up his wife and telling her he pillaged 2 fur coats and asking if he has her size right (he does!)

    keep seeing the russian soldiers looting stores and safes/atm machines. rumors of rapes too.

    on the plus side that trapping them in the lift, was some classic home alone shit we can all enjoy, and the woman knocking a drone out the sky with a can of pickled vegetables a real classic move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    How tf does anyone even entertain the idea of Russia calling in its 3 million full time + reservist when they can barely feed/arm/supply less than 150K out in the field.
    That does sound like a common sensical question.

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    So, on the talk of Ukraine taking out another Major General - his name was Vasiliy Gerasimov. He also happened to be the nephew of 5 Star General Gerasimov, one of the two generals seen when Putin was ordering the nuclear forces to increase their readiness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    'Russian forces had no choice but to use the insecure line because Era — the highly secure cryptophone system implemented last year by the Russian Ministry of Defense which is supposedly guaranteed to work "in all conditions" — is down. And the reason the system is down is that Russian forces on the front destroyed all of the nearby 3G and 4G cell towers required for the system to establish a connection.'
    Jesus, I guess Russia is committed to ensuring that nobody views their standard military as an actual threat or something, this is god-damned hilarious. And here I thought that the US was a shitshow with our excursions into the middle east/southwest Asia

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post

    The best one ive heard so far is a russian soldier calling up his wife and telling her he pillaged 2 fur coats and asking if he has her size right (he does!)

    keep seeing the russian soldiers looting stores and safes/atm machines. rumors of rapes too.
    Russian military doing war crimes is basically a core tradition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    How tf does anyone even entertain the idea of Russia calling in its 3 million full time + reservist when they can barely feed/arm/supply less than 150K out in the field.
    They'll just have them live off the land. Eat all the Ukrainian's food, animals, pets.

    Looks like causing mass starvation in Ukraine has become a once every century tradition for Russia.

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    Dunno if you guys saw it yet, but an Irishman apparently rammed his truck through the gates of the Russian embassy in Ireland due to being enraged by images coming out of Ukraine.

    Without a shred of self-awareness, the Russian embassy whined about the unprovoked attack on its territory.

    I imagine the driver is going to be getting free drinks for a while at any bar he goes to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    Dunno if you guys saw it yet, but an Irishman apparently rammed his truck through the gates of the Russian embassy in Ireland due to being enraged by images coming out of Ukraine.

    Without a shred of self-awareness, the Russian embassy whined about the unprovoked attack on its territory.

    I imagine the driver is going to be getting free drinks for a while at any bar he goes to.
    Fuck, I'll buy him a beer if he comes to Germany, too.
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