Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Shalcker]

Talks between Lavrov and Kuleba in Antalya have started.

Since I see that our best friend Shalcker has returned and immediately went back to what he does best I would ask that you do not answer his propaganda with propaganda of your own. Be better, check your sources, do no be like him.

I got to commend you for being voice for sanity here despite all our disagreements.

...never expected Europe to drive itself into such self-destructive frenzy.

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Is it just me or does this underline how inhuman the russian government is (assuming that this is real)?

Wars are real; losses in wars are inevitable, soldier or civilian.

When you decide that war is your only remaining choice, you accept that whatever your are trying to do is worth those sacrifices.

[PhaelixWW]

...never expected Europe to drive itself into such self-destructive frenzy.

It's hardly Europe that's destroying Europe here. That's firmly on Putin's shoulders.

This is Europe supporting Europe.

So, like, exactly what Putin fears. Congrats.

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Wars are real; losses in wars are inevitable, soldier or civilian.

But wars are not inevitable. So the losses are avoidable, definitely soldier and especially civilian.

When you decide that war is your only remaining choice, you accept that whatever your are trying to do is worth those sacrifices.

Anyone pretending that war was Putin's "only remaining choice" is full of shit.

You've got almost worldwide agreement on that point.

[Vakna]

So Russia's Ministry of Defence has now confirmed using a 500kg Thermobaric Weapon on a maternity hospital yesterday. What kind of disgusting country uses a borderline illegal weapon just so they can maximise the amount of babies they kill?

What is the difference between the Russian government and Nazi Germany at this point, because I don't see one?

[zealo]

I got to commend you for being voice for sanity here despite all our disagreements.

...never expected Europe to drive itself into such self-destructive frenzy.

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Wars are real; losses in wars are inevitable, soldier or civilian.

When you decide that war is your only remaining choice, you accept that whatever your are trying to do is worth those sacrifices.

This war Russia started were anything but inevitable.

This happening is firmly rooted in Putin believing the dissolving of the USSR to have been a mistake, manoeuvring towards trying to "fix" that.

[XDurionX]

Wars are real; losses in wars are inevitable, soldier or civilian.

When you decide that war is your only remaining choice, you accept that whatever your are trying to do is worth those sacrifices.

I really hope all those griefing russian mothers will tear Putin a new one when he tells them their sons are mere pawns in a play to combat his impotence.

[Arrashi]

I really hope all those griefing russian mothers will tear Putin a new one when he tells them their sons are mere pawns in a play to combat his impotence.

Nah, they will all get 15 years each for spreading lies about glorious military operation.

Or if they are unlucky just packed in the planes and send as VDVs.

[Shalcker]

So Russia's Ministry of Defence has now confirmed using a 500kg Thermobaric Weapon on a maternity hospital yesterday. What kind of disgusting country uses a borderline illegal weapon just so they can maximise the amount of babies they kill?

Where did you get this from? Could you post your source?

As far as i see 500kg thermobaric weapon would create a lot more destruction then broken windows and a hole in the yard (with rooms even being mostly intact).

By Ukrainian claims literally noone was killed too; 17 people were reported as wounded.

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It's hardly Europe that's destroying Europe here. That's firmly on Putin's shoulders.

This is Europe supporting Europe.

Are those bills people posted here how "Europe supporting Europe" looks like?

So, like, exactly what Putin fears. Congrats.

Putin fears high energy prices? News to me.

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I really hope all those griefing russian mothers will tear Putin a new one when he tells them their sons are mere pawns in a play to combat his impotence.

What do you feel when people here say "Ukrainians should fight and die for their independence"?

[PhaelixWW]

Where did you get this from? Could you post your source?

Are those bills people posted here how "Europe supporting Europe" looks like?

No, that's what a side effect of Putin destroying Europe looks like.

It's telling, though, that you think cheaper natural gas is the epitome of "neighborly support".

[zorkuus]

Oh good, the russki troll is back.

[XDurionX]

What do you feel when people here say "Ukrainians should fight and die for their independence"?

It's not Ukrainians who started this. You are the pawn for a mass murderer and should feel ashamed. I really hope you will be able to assess the truth to this situation sometime.

[Fuiking]

It's not Ukrainians who started this. You are the pawn for a mass murderer and should feel ashamed. I really hope you will be able to assess the truth to this situation sometime.

He wont be able to do that.

[Jessicka]

Where did you get this from? Could you post your source?

As far as i see 500kg thermobaric weapon would create a lot more destruction then broken windows and a hole in the yard (with rooms even being mostly intact).

By Ukrainian claims literally noone was killed too; 17 people were reported as wounded.

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Are those bills people posted here how "Europe supporting Europe" looks like?

Putin fears high energy prices? News to me.

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What do you feel when people here say "Ukrainians should fight and die for their independence"?

3 people including a child were killed in the hospital attack according to the BBC and anyone not tied to the Soviet Ministry of Propaganda/Enlightenment or whatever you call it now.

What do you say to the suggestion that your lot will (or indeed should) keep killing them until they’re compliant?

[Vakna]

What do you feel when people here say "Ukrainians should fight and die for their independence"?

I would rather die defending my independence than be ruled over by a Russian dictator who is campaigning to be the next Hitler. "We only make precision strikes on military targets" LOL

Especially given that Russia is now fully embracing being a censorship state and rapidly devolving into being basically as bad as China when it comes to personal freedoms.

Russia is going to be reduced to a shell of it's former self after this war, and I for one am here for it.

[Shalcker]

That's not FOAB, that's TOS1 "Buratino".

Those launchers were reported in Ukraine quite early; certainly they weren't there just for show.

But clearly neither of the two matches bomb that fallen near Mariupol hospital.

No, that's what a side effect of Putin destroying Europe looks like.

A side effect of Russian war is Europe destroying their economy by their own hand.
And some Europeans cheering for it.
Quite unexpected.

It's telling, though, that you think cheaper natural gas is the epitome of "neighborly support".

My entire bill for 40 m2 flat in February comes down to 5484 roubles (~43 Euro).

With gas at 14.28 roubles/m3 (~0.11 Euro) and electricity at 2.43 roubles/kWh at night / 5.16 roubles/kWh during daytime (~0.019 Euro and ~0.04 Euro respectively).

[Jessicka]

That's not FOAB, that's TOS1 "Buratino".

Those launchers were reported in Ukraine quite early; certainly they weren't there just for show.

But clearly neither of the two matches bomb that fallen near Mariupol hospital.

A side effect of Russian war is Europe destroying their economy by their own hand.
And some Europeans cheering for it.
Quite unexpected.

My entire bill for 40 m2 flat in February comes down to 5484 roubles (~43 Euro).

With gas at 14.28 roubles/m3 (~0.11 Euro) and electricity at 2.43 roubles/kWh at night / 5.16 roubles/kWh during daytime (~0.019 Euro and ~0.04 Euro respectively).

Destroying our economy, is that what you call it? At least European nations will still be able to borrow money to cover it. Unlike Russia.

Furthermore, the UK economic policy is to generate economic crashes.

[Crispin]

That's not FOAB, that's TOS1 "Buratino".

Those launchers were reported in Ukraine quite early; certainly they weren't there just for show.

But clearly neither of the two matches bomb that fallen near Mariupol hospital.

A side effect of Russian war is Europe destroying their economy by their own hand.
And some Europeans cheering for it.
Quite unexpected.

My entire bill for 40 m2 flat in February comes down to 5484 roubles (~43 Euro).

With gas at 14.28 roubles/m3 (~0.11 Euro) and electricity at 2.43 roubles/kWh at night / 5.16 roubles/kWh during daytime (~0.019 Euro and ~0.04 Euro respectively).

A price hike in gas/diesel arent going to destroy the european economy. You'll be in breadlines while we skip the "let's have a sunday drive for fun".

If anything this is great to push for CO2 free alternatives. EV owners arent hit by this in my country anyhow. So it's a push to further ditch the only worthwhile product Russia has, besides conscripts used for cannon fodder in Ukraine ofcourse.

So thanks for pushing the green alternative agenda, you're utterly fucked when you loose that income.

[Corvus]

I got to commend you for being voice for sanity here despite all our disagreements.

...never expected Europe to drive itself into such self-destructive frenzy.

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Wars are real; losses in wars are inevitable, soldier or civilian.

When you decide that war is your only remaining choice, you accept that whatever your are trying to do is worth those sacrifices.

Europe was happily disarming until Putler decided to go all Nazi 2.0, with his zwastikas and genocide.

And Russia has admitted some of it's soldiers were actually conscripts with no choice to be there, and not career soldiers.

[Xarkan]

A price hike in gas/diesel arent going to destroy the european economy.

No but depending on wether money is spend to prevent it it will wreck havoc on the poorer peoples finances

[Shalcker]

A price hike in gas/diesel arent going to destroy the european economy. You'll be in breadlines while we skip the "let's have a sunday drive for fun".

How about price hike in most commodities + food down the line due to fertilizer bans?

EU also plans to fill their gas storage to the brim - one that is currently at extreme lows... even if they manage to do it (not guaranteed) how much money do you think that'll bring to Russia this year given current prices?

If anything this is great to push for CO2 free alternatives. EV owners arent hit by this in my country anyhow. So it's a push to further ditch the only worthwhile product Russia has, besides conscripts used for cannon fodder in Ukraine ofcourse.

Push that is still going to take years. Let's see if Europe will survive them.

So thanks for pushing the green alternative agenda, you're utterly fucked when you loose that income.

We'll be quite fine using it ourselves and shipping it to Asia, thank you.

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Destroying our economy, is that what you call it? At least European nations will still be able to borrow money to cover it. Unlike Russia.

Russian debt is one of lowest in the world. We don't need to borrow, unlike Europe; we consistently sell more then we buy from outside world.

Let's see how you will unwind all defaults from CBR and SWIFT bans - defaults that are going to hurt your lenders.

Or they can accept payment in roubles! Our bonds do have such option that can avoid triggering CDS.

[zealo]

Russian debt is one of lowest in the world. We don't need to borrow, unlike Europe; we consistently sell more then we buy from outside world.

Note on something Shaclker deliberately omitted here, but not borrowing at all isn't a good thing for a state's national economy, it means investment into your country slows down dramatically right alongside that austerity measure.