Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Shalcker]

Ze fuck? Why...?

Oh, I get it. It's projection. Since Russia can only keep "allies" (aka vassal states) under control by oppressing them and letting fear create obedience, they think that's how everyone else does it, too.

Yep, makes more sense now. Phew, I thought the world has flipped upside down for a second.

Here is article in question, you can judge for yourself.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/20...closer-to-war/

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The America whataboutism is like, super boring and tired. Let it take a nap. I'm glad you don't actually have a response and all, but you could have just like, not posted.

We're in a thread about Russia-US talks, why US encroachment is seen as threat is super relevant.

[Edge-]

We're in a thread about Russia-US talks, why US encroachment is seen as threat is super relevant.

The US engaging in some very ill-advised, poorly executed wars in the middle east that aren't allied with Russia is a threat to Russia? Especially given that we've finally extricated the bulk of our forces because it's been such a boondoggle?

[Yadryonych]

Maybe France should reclaim all of Europe since we owned it at a point in time. Or maybe the Italian should give it a go as well ?

Sure, why not? Be bold, be brave, be courageous

[Forogil]

We're in a thread about Russia

threating Ukraine.

That's why US encroachment is seen as threat is irrelevant.

[Shalcker]

The US engaging in some very ill-advised, poorly executed wars in the middle east that aren't allied with Russia is a threat to Russia?

Yes, those ISIS guys were actually doing terror acts and recruitment in Russia.

It took Russia actually going into Syria to deal with them for US to notice their oil trade with Turkey.

Especially given that we've finally extricated the bulk of our forces because it's been such a boondoggle?

Well, that only makes you more dangerous - you seem to love feeling "useful" even if your every intervention makes things worse.

Maybe this time instead of Islamists in Syria you'll turn blind eye to Nazis in Ukraine - as long as they fight Russia, of course.

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threating Ukraine.

Russia didn't threaten anyone from the very start of this thread. You are the ones who stocked fears from troop movements within Russia.

And "moving troops within Russia" was happening quite regularly in quite similar quantities - last time before that in April 2021.

[YUPPIE]

The daily news of Putin repeatedly rebuking or rejecting US diplomats harkens back to the time before Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, where the US sent envoys and tried everything to negotiate but the Japanese would kill their diplomats.

Putin hasn't reached that phase yet, but I'm wondering when he'll get irritated enough to do so

[Edge-]

The daily news of Putin repeatedly rebuking or rejecting US diplomats harkens back to the time before Japan attacked Pearl Harbor

Draw the connection for us, explicitly.

[Gaidax]

Common, don't be daft. Those are nice buzzwords and great for political slogans, but no more than that. Neither side can offer that to Ukraine. It has always been full of corruption and it will always be.

If anything, "freedom of thought, speech and communication" has dramatically decreased since 2014. Anyone that dares to stand up to nationalists is silenced, politicians are killed, laws that turn Russian minority into second class citizens are created.

It's a simple case of for sure not if aligning with Russia and at least having hope for it otherwise.

Pretty simple and is reason why Ukraine tries so hard to get out.

There is simply no future with Russia - give it another decade or two and they will pop again, whether become China's bitch in their ever increasingly disproportional relations or simply the regime naturally collapsing again or successors devouring the predecessors again.


Heck, Russians themselves don't even frikkin' know what will it be 10 years from now, but they are stuck with that shit. Not exactly inviting proposition for others who don't have to be stuck there.

[Forogil]

Russia didn't threaten anyone from the very start of this thread.

Russia did give an ultimatum to other countries that would limit what they could do (including Ukraine) that threatened 'military-technical thingies' if they failed to comply and have amassed troops on the borders of territories they have helped occupy.

Can you explain how Russia behaves when it actually threatens countries?

[Mayhem]

The daily news of Putin repeatedly rebuking or rejecting US diplomats harkens back to the time before Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, where the US sent envoys and tried everything to negotiate but the Japanese would kill their diplomats.

what? the Japanese killed US diplomats?

[Ashleyxoxo]

It will be interesting.. things are boring atm.

[jonnysensible]

Common, don't be daft. Those are nice buzzwords and great for political slogans, but no more than that. It has always been full of corruption and it will always be.

If anything, "freedom of thought, speech and communication" has dramatically decreased since 2014. Anyone that dares to stand up to nationalists is silenced, politicians are killed, laws that turn any minority into second class citizens are created.

some slight edits and you're describing russia

[Forogil]

what? the Japanese killed US diplomats?

That entire paragraph is fiction. There were, of course, actual negotiations - but the sides disagreed.

[Edge-]

That entire paragraph is fiction. There were, of course, actual negotiations - but the sides disagreed.

This is what happens when people think Michael Bay's "Pearl Harbor" is a historical documentary and not a piece of historical fiction made into a summer blockbuster with lots of explosions to sell a really shitty romance story to dudes.

[BlackDruid96]

It would be stupid of us to put our foot in this war, our leaders threatening war is very scary to me. We usually only have to worry about this type of response when the Republicans are in power but we have our Democrat leaders siding with this action. What is wrong with them?

[Edge-]

our leaders threatening war is very scary to me.

Who threatened war?

[YUPPIE]

Who threatened war?

vladimir putin...?

[Gaidax]

It would be stupid of us to put our foot in this war, our leaders threatening war is very scary to me. We usually only have to worry about this type of response when the Republicans are in power but we have our Democrat leaders siding with this action. What is wrong with them?

I really don't understand this US citizens' obsession with seeing war everywhere.

OK, yeah, I can understand it from standpoint that US is almost perpetually mired in some war or conflict somewhere at any given time, so there is source to that paranoia there - but not everything that ever happens is leading to actual war.

There won't be any war - it will end up being another flare up where Ukrainians will end up fighting disguised Russians and "separatists" in some limited conflict, while the West will look on and maybe toss some $$ and such into the fire.

It's not really going to be actual war, because nobody is interested in that to begin with including Russia.

[Shalcker]

Russia did give an ultimatum to other countries that would limit what they could do (including Ukraine) that threatened 'military-technical thingies' if they failed to comply and have amassed troops on the borders of territories they have helped occupy.

Noone threatened Ukraine.

Military-technical response was to NATO encroachment. Most likely another intermediate range missile deployment to Kaliningrad, this time hypersonic.

Can you explain how Russia behaves when it actually threatens countries?

Maybe you can explain to me, how should "normal country" react to openly hostile military alliance trying to gain foothold in yet another country near their borders, ignoring all diplomatic efforts?

[Edge-]

vladimir putin...?

You should re-read the post.