Russian invasion of Ukraine

[MCMLXXXII]

God, they're really just trying to reuse the 20-year-old American playbook for Iraq. Pathetic.

Oops, sorry no weapons but Saddam Zelensky is a ruthless dictator and needs to be removed.

[Elegiac]

Oops, sorry no weapons but Saddam Zelensky is a ruthless dictator and needs to be removed.

At least the US didn't use claims of WMDs in Iraq to preemptively justify using them and then blaming it on Iraq.

Which is what this is here. It's highly likely Russia is trying to lay the groundwork for using chemical or biological weapons in Ukraine and then claiming it was self-inflicted.

Because as we all know, Russia has absolutely no problem when it comes to using chemical weapons to achieve its goals.

[PACOX]

The funniest thing about the 'chemical lab' excuse is how unoriginal and lazy it is.

Sadly it probably proceeds harder campaigns with the conspiracy being their excuse.

Of course there was any truth to their claims we'd be talking about an entirely different conflict.

Does reiterate the mantra "never give up your nukes". You never want another power on your border or already there claiming you have WMDs.

[MCMLXXXII]

Shillcker is now frantically looking for credible news sources to confirm his claim only to find out he doesn't have access to them since Kremlin banned them.

[Edge-]

I mean, is the chemical weapons lab on railroads? I bet it's on a railroad.

Spoilers: That was a stupid fuckin thing that I can't believe anyone actually believed 20 years ago.

[Elegiac]

I mean, is the chemical weapons lab on railroads? I bet it's on a railroad.

Spoilers: That was a stupid fuckin thing that I can't believe anyone actually believed 20 years ago.

The irony is that the only reason the Cooperative Biological Engagement Program exists in the first place is because the USSR collapsed and there was a massive security risk presented by all these former Soviet labs.

Literally Russia blaming America for cleaning up Russia's mess. Life is funny; sad, but funny.

[Shalcker]

Surely you'd have proof of this and wouldn't just be shitposting Putin conspiracy theories, right?

...right?

Sure. Also previous briefing.

The analyzed materials on the UP-8 project, aimed at studying the Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever virus and hantaviruses in Ukraine, clearly refute the US public statement that only Ukrainian scientists work in the Pentagon biolabs in Ukraine without the intervention of American biologists. One of the documents confirms that all serious high-risk studies are conducted under the direct supervision of specialists from the United States.

The payroll of Ukrainian contractors clearly demonstrates how they are financed. It has been confirmed that the US Department of Defence paid the money for research participation directly, without the involvement of intermediaries. The extremely modest pay, by US standards, is noteworthy. This indicates a low estimation of the professionalism of Ukrainian specialists and the neglect of their American colleagues.

Given that US also did "gain-of-function" research in Wuhan, their denials are going to be hard sell.

Payroll document (in English)
https://t.me/rt_russian/98704

More documents including list of destroyed samples
https://t.me/zvezdanews/72088

[PhaelixWW]

<Russian propaganda links>

Uh-huh. Sure.

Guess you couldn't find any non-propaganda sources, eh?

Wonder why that is?

[Saradain]

Sure. Also previous briefing.

The analyzed materials on the UP-8 project, aimed at studying the Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever virus and hantaviruses in Ukraine, clearly refute the US public statement that only Ukrainian scientists work in the Pentagon biolabs in Ukraine without the intervention of American biologists. One of the documents confirms that all serious high-risk studies are conducted under the direct supervision of specialists from the United States.

The payroll of Ukrainian contractors clearly demonstrates how they are financed. It has been confirmed that the US Department of Defence paid the money for research participation directly, without the involvement of intermediaries. The extremely modest pay, by US standards, is noteworthy. This indicates a low estimation of the professionalism of Ukrainian specialists and the neglect of their American colleagues.

Given that US also did "gain-of-function" research in Wuhan, their denials are going to be hard sell.

Payroll document (in English)
https://t.me/rt_russian/98704

More documents including list of destroyed samples
https://t.me/zvezdanews/72088

Can you even try. Linking russian goverment sources as if countless posters would not be able to counter them as 100% false propaganda.

[MCMLXXXII]

This is gold. We should totally believe that. Do you perhaps have any neutral sources on that?

[Elegiac]

-snip-

Two broken links and the Telegram feeds of two Kremlin mouthpieces do not constitute evidence. They also do not support your assertion that the US has shifted its position.

Again; it's a conspiracy theory. The only interaction the US has had with any biological research in Ukraine was part of an international agreement to bolster security at post-Soviet labs because y'all left a shit ton of mess after your empire collapsed in 1991. Stop lying.

[MCMLXXXII]

Uh-huh. Sure.

Guess you couldn't find any non-propaganda sources, eh?

Wonder why that is?

He was looking for those but apparently the russian internet only has RT, Sputnik, Russia 1 and MMOC.

[Dontrike]

Some bullshit

Much like an atheist in a Christian gift shop, no one buys that shit. Go take that shit elsewhere. I have a quarter in my pocket, that's like 4 days of pay now. If I gave it to you will you shill for whatever I tell you?

[Zaydin]

Why haven't obvious bad faith posters/paid operatives not been perma-banned?

[Elegiac]

This is gold. We should totally believe that. Do you perhaps have any neutral sources on that?

Well no you see, every source that isn't owned by the Kremlin is conspiring to make the US look good. /s

[Corvus]

Funny how what the FSB leak said was going to happen is happening.

Speaking of - another supposed leak from the informer. If true, their next spin is going to be that the US set them up as part of a US-China conflict. (He admits its a nonsensical argument, but it is the one they are being made to work on.)

[Saradain]

He was looking for those but apparently the russian internet only has RT, Sputnik, Russia 1 and MMOC.

With this forum's reputation being what it is, I'm not surprised it can be listed as true equals with the rest

[MCMLXXXII]

In stead of Baghdad Bob we now have Moscow Matt. MoEx is fine, it's only closed for maintenance.

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The mods think they’re very serious posters and the shit they’re posting has merit. It’s kinda fascinating.

And here's me risking an infraction and forum vacation, the mods even come in this thread warning us not to harass them for spreading misinformation.

[Elegiac]

Why haven't obvious bad faith posters/paid operatives not been perma-banned?

*gestures*

The open discussion that has characterised the thread is slipping towards a state where simply being not utterly convinced of Ukrainian victory is wrongthink.

The open discussion that has characterised the thread

open discussion

Social media was a mistake.

[qwerty123456]