That's because Europe and the USA were too aggressive in the past so now we're going through a phase where we re-think the way we justify military actions on foreign soil. It's complicated as hell because everyone views the world differently.
Russia and China will go through a similar phase in the future too but it'll take many years so we shouldn't hold our breath on that one.
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no way anyone can believe this. Man, Russia still executes homosexual people.
All those rights in the US you're allowed to express in gender identity and sexuality would unironically get you killed in many places by law, still. That's how barbaric most of the world is out there.
The US is more than okay by comparison.
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The only way Russia and China will ever remotely go through a similar phase is by force. The same way you bop a dog on its nose when it does something bad. They only understand force, so force is all that's going to curb their expansion.
Will the US and NATO step in and apply said lessons to the Russian Armed Forces? Doubtful.
If that would even work at all results would be in next decade at best; certainly nothing that can be used to resolve current situation.
And there are huge problems with corruption in Ukraine on energy front; Ukrainians are great at driving out every foreign investor.
It is mismanaged country that every effort to improve so far has failed - be that from Russian or EU/US side.
Local interests are entrenched. Anyone trying to change it must somehow dislodge them - all while they can literally buy entire parties to pass or block favorable legislation or send goons (or sometimes even police/SBU) to harass troublesome investigators. "Revolution" didn't change that one bit other then removing one "clan".
US efforts are one-sided ("Let's sanction Russia-leaning guys due to nature of their business and so empower anti-Russian guys"), and they seem to have their own brand of corruption going there too; EU efforts seem misguided ("Let's make them privatize/split/legislate just the right way, same as we did in EU, and then 'magic' will happen and corruption will start to disappear!")
Russia certainly has no solution to their problem either. Maybe we could take over some enterprises entirely and lower local power that way (like when we offered to buy out their gas transport network). But they resisted that as well.
Ukrainians known right words to say to please outsiders (be that EU or Russians) and then just dragged their feet at every step of actually implementing any changes requested.
In some actual news - NATO has repeated they will not agree to any troop/equipment withdrawal from the newest members of NATO, as it would create inequal partnership in it.
Russia's ultimatum just went nowhere, as everyone knew it would (except the trolls screaming about how NATO is going to accept it, totally).
This comes pretty much right after Lavrov (the Foreign Minister of Russia) demanded the same for Bulgaria and Romania.
You have zero understanding of global politics because none of those are Russia's allies.
Oh boyyy, are you sure you want to go there? There are so many funny ways we can split up Russia if we go by such slogans!
Nah, I am quiiite sure you wrote it differently, not that we are hitting ourselves, but that Russia is so great it doesn't care.
Oh, American article...? Why did you use it then? It's like quoting DailyMail, or one of the bajillion yellow Russian ones.
It is kinda funny seeing you doing Russian bot job for them. It becomes even more funny when you are saying it is ok for said leader to have striptease room addorned with Russia's double headed eagle.
Some can stay, some had to leave and did that (or didn't and got arrested). But, alas, this is 21st century, we can transfer information digitally.
Ok, seriously, please shut up at least for once. Putin is everything bad imaginable, but he has not killed millions.
Noone creates USSR2, that is Western myth.
And how exactly do you "help the corruption fester"? As long as you pay Ukrainians money for anything they'll make some corrupt scheme to siphon them elsewhere.
EU have been working with Ukrainian corruption for close to decade already, what are their gains exactly there other then creating powerless committees that only manage to get approved when IMF makes next tranche conditional on that?
If we wouldn't actually care we wouldn't stock up on reserves.
No, we have such reserves because we care about having options that would allow us to withstand any planned sanctions - either longer then West can afford to maintain them or long enough to create alternative routes around them.
It's just another Soros/Koch-funded foreign policy think-tank.Oh, American article...? Why did you use it then? It's like quoting DailyMail, or one of the bajillion yellow Russian ones.
Better then tabloids because it has actual thought, experience, and sources behind it rather then pure clickbait.
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Evidence of what exactly? That EU won over Ukrainian corruption?
Russian politicians have threatened nuclear war and the destruction of London and New York while also mocking Boris Johnson.
Speaking on the state-run TV channel Rossiya 1, pro- Putin host Vladimir Solovyov mocked the British PM.
Far-right politician Vladimir Zhirinovsky warned that war was inevitable and it would lead to the destruction of London, New York, Kyiv, Warsaw and more major cities in Russia.
The fringe veteran politician was allowed to air his views on state TV as tensions continue to ratchet up over Russia’s actions on the Ukraine border
He was not the only ultranationalist figure to demand that the West give Vladimir Putin the “security guarantees” he wants.
Zhirinovsky said: “They're partying for the last time… champagne, whisky…there is a big tragedy ahead for humanity, for Europe.
"There can only be a solution by force, no other…After the start of an armed conflict in Europe the count [of victims] would be in millions. There would be no time to count.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...hnson-25975069
He has by proxy through assassinations, misinformation networks, warmongering, financing terror groups. If he's "everything bad imaginable" in your words this shouldn't really be too hard to believe.
It's not like having millions of deaths to his name would bother him much as long as he maintains a grip on his power. That's dictator 101, which Putin is ala Pol Pot.
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American politicians threatened nuclear strikes too.
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Had your influence made Ukrainian corruption any better?
What exactly was Russian influence on Ukrainian corruption? Paying them for gas transit?
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Millions of dead to American name don't seem to bother you one bit either.
How does that tie with Ukrainian corruption exactly?
Do you think criticizing Zelensky's inner circle is beyond pale and makes everyone steal another billion to recover from embarrassment?
I already said how i see that - US is sanctioning one side that has ties with Russia - industrial, commercial, cultural - or just being in opposition and looking for alternatives to endless war; and ignores corruption by "their" side.
That just makes US influence a tool in Ukrainian infighting.
Let me stop you right there.
Solovyov is basically a Russian version of Tucker Carson working the public and Zhirinovsky is a Russian version of Trump but clocked up to 11, but with no power behind him.
Nobody in their right mind really takes either seriously. Zhirinovsky is a fringe clown figure that has his single digit % following for decades with many people voting for him mostly for comic relief.
His other very useful remarks include: "our soldiers will be washing their boots in the Indian ocean" and "women need to take only 1 test in their lives and it has two colors".
So yeah, don't just be that guy that takes everyone seriously. Even Russians do not.