Russian invasion of Ukraine

[MCMLXXXII]

Build your own, people are going to have to start learning skills of old and just building their own shit.

Building costs aren't a real issue. The issue is the ground it stands on. And that's scarce. But it is way off-topic

[Unholyground]

Building costs aren't a real issue. The issue is the ground it stands on. And that's scarce. But it is way off-topic

Just live outside of the city somewhere reclusive where land is cheap.

Are people legitimately worried about any of this? Way worse goes on that we have no idea about on a constant basis. Not trying to downplay it because it is affecting a lot of people just like most war does. I also don't believe nukes are on the table because even if 2 or 3 big ones go off the world is permanently fucked anyway so.

[Poopymonster]

Just live outside of the city somewhere reclusive where land is cheap.

Are people legitimately worried about any of this? Way worse goes on that we have no idea about on a constant basis. Not trying to downplay it because it is affecting a lot of people just like most war does. I also don't believe nukes are on the table because even if 2 or 3 big ones go off the world is permanently fucked anyway so.

The world would recover eventually. Non essentials would be fucked.

[Shrouded]

I think you should really stop engaging genuine lunatics with conversation.

Completely agreed, I expressed that same sentiment before. The best way to guarantee continued insanity in this thread is to indulge it.

[Elenos]

so from them chemical weapons are not off the table now for sure?

Russia, according to the OPCW, doesn't have chemical weapons.

Biological however is another issue.

[Slant]

And that's how you decided I meant some "secret plan", when I even specifically noted that Russia is simply holding back with firepower against Kiev instead of just leveling it? Jesus wept.

They're not.

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Turkey is NATO still ? just wondering....


any Bayraktar flying turkish signs or operated by them in Ukraine against russian troops should trigger some response by Putin.

Nah, see, they're just people doing vacation in Ukraine... those uniforms? They got them from a military paraphernalia shop that specialises in Turkish uniforms. Nothing to see here.

If he can claim bullshit like that, I don't see why we can't. :P

[dextersmith]

Putin is asking China for equipment and support. Wouldn't that open doors for a free for all WW3? wouldn't this display of weakness get him overthrown or assassinated? It's admission of bungling this attack.

The US promised Russia would pay dearly if they used chemical weapons. What more can the US do short of getting involved directly?

[Santti]

Putin is asking China for equipment and support. Wouldn't that open doors for a free for all WW3? wouldn't this display of weakness get him overthrown or assassinated? It's admission of bungling this attack.

The US promised Russia would pay dearly if they used chemical weapons. What more can the US do short of getting involved directly?

You wot mate? A "free for all World War"? What on earth does that even mean, and how would the situation ever degrade to such point?

[Makabreska]

Putin is asking China for equipment and support. Wouldn't that open doors for a free for all WW3? wouldn't this display of weakness get him overthrown or assassinated? It's admission of bungling this attack.

He has been asking his Asian partners for help since the start, to no avail.

[Easo]

Nothing new from the talks yet. This time those are being done remotely.

It's almost as if states are not purely rational actors and can make decisions contrary to their own interests. Imagine that.

Your source has example of using 7 times more powerful nukes that UK has, plus I do love the use of words like "could". Not "will", "could". The work does have a lot of guesswork and even notes possible variations, like the food output, which could be drastically affected - or way less, depending on the circumstances.
You are also probably under the assumption that every sub will survive long enough to launch all of their missiles and that all the warheads will hit their targets without being intercepted/failing. That's a big if. Compared to USA and Russia the UK's nuclear force can best be described as "all eggs in one basket".

You think 165 x 0.5MT warheads ready to launch is "barely enough for military bases"? It's getting on for an order of magnitude above capacity to end civilisation as we know it.

Fundamentally because dick waving insanity of madmen. The argument is making damn sure your missiles get through.

Research done by actual scientists who do disaster management are the answer, whole bunch of papers linked here https://www.sgr.org.uk/resources/uk-...-making#_edn12

You are carrying less than 165, in fact, no more than 120, which all are estimated to be no more than 100 KT. Hello budget cuts.

Hell, there is even speculation that USA and Russia can't destroy each other with their big daddy arsenals, because they simply do not have enough.
We simply do not know (and hopefully - never will).

Do you honestly believe anyone would stop at "enough" based on estimations? If you're getting rid of a cockroach, do you use just enough spray that you think it'll die, or do make sure you're still spraying until it actually is dead?

Well, guess what - UK is not STR0NK enough then

A long while back there was a study that said 500 cobalt nukes (100 ton yield) could likely wipe out the entire planet.

Such bombs do not exist, thus it is purely theoretical.

Things must be going so well for Putin that he is begging his soon to be overlord Xi to come to his aid.

You seriously believe that? What China has that Russia does not?
I am starting to get a feeling that people forget there are two sides in the propaganda war.

lots of videos of Kadyrov knockin about near kyiv. Hopefully he gets slotted.

Incredibly unlikely - but if that by some miracle happens, it would be huge middle finger to Kremlin + morale boost.

They're not.

Yes, Russia clearly has spent all of their firepower. Clearly. That's the reason Kiev has basically not been bombed at all and that's why Russia has thousands upon thousands of unused vehicles not involved in this war. Clearly.
I think the hype is getting too far.

[Belize]

Putin is asking China for equipment and support. Wouldn't that open doors for a free for all WW3? wouldn't this display of weakness get him overthrown or assassinated? It's admission of bungling this attack.

The US promised Russia would pay dearly if they used chemical weapons. What more can the US do short of getting involved directly?

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China does not want to get involved. They've been beating around the bush since the start, there's no reason to believe they'd start backing a losing horse now.

[dextersmith]

yes. Putin is absolute evil with no margin for sympathy or mercy, as are those that enforce his will.

It seems he's trying to be the next Hitler but failing. Maybe he'll get the same ending.

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You wot mate? A "free for all World War"? What on earth does that even mean, and how would the situation ever degrade to such point?

It means US gets in on it, maybe backed by Canada if China does, in addition to sanctioning China. If China is already fighting and Russia owes them, China goes after Taiwan. Yolo, India vs. Pakistan; they already accidentally fired a missile last week.

[Easo]

As per Zelensky - talks are still ongoing at the moment and are "very hard".

[Jessicka]

Not all radiation is alpha radiation. Gamma radiation is drastically more dangerous.

Ingest or inhale an Alpha or Beta source, you're in very serious trouble indeed. Gamma is dangerous because it penetrates protective measures, get past those and the other types are vastly more ionising.

[Easo]

Heh, some people took over Russian oligarch properties in London and now official talks are ongoing about using them as Ukrainian refugee shelters.

OK, and? I didn't start the ridiculous conversation about whose and how many nukes at what yield would be needed to level Russia lol In fact, my only contribution to it was what you quoted. You almost sound proud of saying that the UK can't do it or something.

Those who think in only black/white might think that I am proud. I am just tired of people not grasping certain things.

[P for Pancetta]

It definitely takes some balls to cover war. Russia is basically attacking anything that’s not their troops. Disgusting stuff.

they're also attacking their own troops, if they don't want to fight anymore, or if they run.

A transmission between two officers showed that one had three soldiers with him that all said they were ordered to go home because of family related deaths.
And he asked the other guy what to do with them, and he told him to check their stories with his superior and if they lied to shoot them.

[jonnysensible]

Heh, some people took over Russian oligarch properties in London and now official talks are ongoing about using them as Ukrainian refugee shelters.

oleg deripaska's gaff. They said the ghost of nestor opened the door and let them in lmao.

Funny thing about oleg deripaska is that he has 3 more properties in the UK but they aren't in his name. They are in the name of helena bonham carter's family (her brother or cousin iirc) as the trustee's. Because we have an aristocracy here and this is how they exist nowadays.

[TACOshake]

Moar, I want to see moar of this!



Protestors in London have occupied a Russian Oligarchs mansion - 5 Belgrave Square.

[snebb]

Tell me you have a screw loose, without telling me.

Elon Musk challenges Putin to a fight for Ukraine

[Edge-]

Yo, Tulsi "I'm not a Russian agent/stooge/idiot, I swear!" Gabbard is recycling the Kremlin conspiracy theories about bioweapons, now?

We really should Make McCarthyism Great Again, but this time we can call all the conservatives in front of Congress to testify that they're red-blooded, freedom-loving, gun-toting, America-First Americans and not "filthy reds".

I'm only half joking, but seriously, start hauling these people in front of Congress and as why they're using their platforms to spread Kremlin propaganda.