Russian invasion of Ukraine

[downnola]

So you would let Russia do anything because of the hypothetical use of nukes ?. By your logic Russia will chose to instantly press the button and destroy themselves along with the rest of the world because of losing a war outside their territory ?

Why are you assuming that Russian leadership is rational and has a sense of self-preservation when they just isolated themselves from the rest of the world economically and diplomatically at random? All I'm saying is the slightest miscalculation on NATO's part could lead to the end of all human life on this planet, and you look silly scolding people who are well aware of that fact because they're not willing to immediately jump into a military conflict with Russia. Man, I wish you people had this energy when Russia was helping Bashar Al-Assad bomb hospitals and schools in Syria for an entire decade.

[dextersmith]

This decision is not Putin's to make....Russia has zero input.

NATO could maybe at best set up a small camps for refugees within Ukraine as a humanitarian mission, a place where refugees could flee to instead of being forced to go on the roads. Close to EU a country but within Ukraine itself.
This NATO mission would only be soldiers and defensive equipment so nothing more.

Getting to any sanctuary without being attacked en route is the bigger problem so NATO would have to shuttle them.

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So you would let Russia do anything because of the hypothetical use of nukes ?. By your logic Russia will chose to instantly press the button and destroy themselves along with the rest of the world because of losing a war outside their territory ?

Their economic situation does imply Putin has been short sighted as of late. His soldiers, citizens, and inner circle are all expendable.

[Slant]

Do you have a red line where you grow as spine about stopping a modern hitler like Putin or its the "let them rape everyone because he has nukes" all the way ?
You sound like you would disagree with war on Russia even if Poland was invaded.

I'm an adult, I tend to think about consequences. Once you're released from the protection of your parents, you'll come around and see it my way.

[dextersmith]

Yes and no, depends how long sanctions will stay. It sends a message to Russia that an invasion is costly (far more than they anticipated).

Even Zelensky was saying that Ukraine won't be able to join NATO.

I imagine sanctions will cease as soon as the fighting stops.

[Specialka]

I imagine sanctions will cease as soon as the fighting stops.

Not so sure about that and I certainly hope not unless Russia pulls out all troops and give back Dombass and Crimea plus huge compensations for deaths and damages.

[Shadowferal]

I imagine sanctions will cease as soon as the fighting stops.

Disagree. I believe sanctions will cease after a punitive timeframe.

[dextersmith]

Not so sure about that and I certainly hope not unless Russia pulls out all troops and give back Dombass and Crimea plus huge compensations for deaths and damages.

Disagree. I believe sanctions will cease after a punitive timeframe.

I also hope otherwise but I'm thinking inflated prices and convenience will be the driving force behind these decisions. Profits will bring most corporations back immediately too.

[Poopymonster]

I also hope otherwise but I'm thinking inflated prices and convenience will be the driving force behind these decisions. Profits will bring most corporations back immediately too.

The minute he nationalizes companies in Russia, you can kiss that shit goodbye.

[Flarelaine]

I imagine sanctions will cease as soon as the fighting stops.

That would be a grave mistake.

[Mekh]

I imagine sanctions will cease as soon as the fighting stops.

There is no good reason to lift the sanctions in Putin's lifetime.

[Yunru]

There is no good reason to lift the sanctions in Putin's lifetime.

Only if Russa gives Putin to Ukraine as a war criminal to be set in court.

[Mekh]

Only if Russa gives Putin to Ukraine as a war criminal to be set in court.

Still Putin's lifetime, but maybe a good enough reason to keep it short.

[JohnBrown1917]

Do you have a red line where you grow as spine about stopping a modern hitler like Putin or its the "let them rape everyone because he has nukes" all the way ?
You sound like you would disagree with war on Russia even if Poland was invaded.

Ukraine is not worth the risk of a nuclear war.


Calling Putin a modern Hitler is also ridiculously over dramatic.

[Mihalik]

I imagine sanctions will cease as soon as the fighting stops.

Oh no. The sanctions are here to stay.

These sanctions are just as much about Vladimir Putin himself as the war itself. Even if the war ends tomorrow, as long as Vladimir Putin is in power, the threat remains.

Giving him the economic means to rebuild would actually make him an even greater threat.

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Ukraine is not worth the risk of a nuclear war.

While technically that's true, how you chose to frame it says a lot about you.

Calling Putin a modern Hitler is also ridiculously over dramatic.

A true tankie take.

[Gorsameth]

Ukraine is not worth the risk of a nuclear war.


Calling Putin a modern Hitler is also ridiculously over dramatic.

Really? Authoritarian dictator invading neighbours with the intent of restoring former empires? They didn't call it the Third Reich for nothing.

[Warning]

Sanctions on Russia should never cease until its dictatorial regime falls. We have the opportunity now to destroy it and that opportunity should not be passed up. We need to be ramping up sanctions and weapons shipments to Ukraine, and should be hurting Russia and particularly their government in other ways as well. We can never let this Russia grow in power or influence again, as it has proven once again to be unworthy to wield any.

[Specialka]

Sanctions on Russia should never cease until its dictatorial regime falls. We have the opportunity now to destroy it and that opportunity should not be passed up. We need to be ramping up sanctions and weapons shipments to Ukraine, and should be hurting Russia and particularly their government in other ways as well. We can never let this Russia grow in power or influence again, as it has proven once again to be unworthy to wield any.

Just for the records, Russia has always been a dictatorial regime, one way or another. It does not change overnight.

[Iphie]

I imagine sanctions will cease as soon as the fighting stops.

Some easing maybe, such as SWIFT, but I imagine a lot will stay just to make sure Russia doesn't do naughty stuff the moment sanctions are lifted.

[JohnBrown1917]

Really? Authoritarian dictator invading neighbours with the intent of restoring former empires? They didn't call it the Third Reich for nothing.

A little thing called the holocaust, you might have heard of it.

[Mekh]

Calling Putin a modern Hitler is also ridiculously over dramatic.

At least Hitler admitted he was in it for the Lebensraum.