Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Draco-Onis]

I dunno, you just admitted the Swiss were forced to close access to North Korea, sounds like the same situation to me. Elaborate, please, on how it's "not the same situation in any way shape or form."

The Swiss held the money for North Korea for decades and the sanctions were the result of a decision of the UN security council last but not least North Korea isn't entirely closed off from the financial system like Russia is at the moment. Everyone knows China along with other countries are laundering money for North Korea no one is threatening China openly because of it.

[Edge-]

The Swiss held the money for North Korea for decades and the sanctions were the result of a decision of the UN security council last but not least North Korea isn't entirely closed off from the financial system like Russia is at the moment. Everyone knows China along with other countries are laundering money for North Korea no one is threatening China openly because of it.

Yo, has North Korea invaded another country?

[dextersmith]

I hear some people say that Putin is actually an alien. Some people are saying it!

Every leader is so eccentric. NK says their God-king's shit don't stink!

[PhaelixWW]

We are talking about countries and the global financial system along with the rules that govern it not one random dude not following the law wow indeed.

Yes, we are. I fail to see that the distinction matters at all in context.

This just seems like a failure on your part to understand the realistic consequences of diplomatic actions. Instead, you'd rather think, what, the only reason it hasn't been done before is that... it hasn't been done before?

[Draco-Onis]

Yo, has North Korea invaded another country?

Do you want a list of countries invading others we haven't done this to including ourselves?

[Al Gorefiend]

Yes, we are. I fail to see that the distinction matters at all in context.

This just seems like a failure on your part to understand the realistic consequences of diplomatic actions. Instead, you'd rather think, what, the only reason it hasn't been done before is that... it hasn't been done before?

Do you just act like you're smarter than everyone else to play Devil's advocate or something?

[Draco-Onis]

Yes, we are. I fail to see that the distinction matters at all in context.

This just seems like a failure on your part to understand the realistic consequences of diplomatic actions. Instead, you'd rather think, what, the only reason it hasn't been done before is that... it hasn't been done before?

yea a country is totally the same thing as some random dude walking the street

think we are done now.

[Easo]

Well, that dollar in the future might not be the only de facto currency of the world should be clear, especially after these events. Will the attempt to make it succeed? Under a question, but imho it is certain that China with "friends" will at least try.

[Draco-Onis]

The concepts of "nuance" and "context" mean absolutely nothing to you, do they?

Feel free to elaborate on nuance and context that I am missing because there's no reason for other countries watching this not to be frightened.

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Well, that dollar in the future might not be the only de facto currency of the world should be clear, especially after these events. Will the attempt to make it succeed? Under a question, but imho it is certain that China with "friends" will at least try.

Agreed that is a fair take, it has a better chance now though. China has been struggling to establish a separate financial system though it may take years if not decades they will give it their best shot.

[PhaelixWW]

yea a country is totally the same thing as some random dude walking the street

Tell me you don't know what "in context" means without telling me you don't know what "in context" means.

[dextersmith]

I mean, another thing I said that people rebuked was America wouldn't get involved, but Putin seems to be pushing that line SO hard right now it feels inevitable we will get fully involved. He's implicitly killing random American journalists and the sanctions are consequently coming down harder and harder, leading to his further downward spiral.

How can he be stopped? No one can obviously kill him, he can't be reasoned with at all anymore, and he said he explicitly will take Ukraine unless he is dead.

Today he made that crazed speech threatening the West and it was chilling. I think he will launch nukes eventually even as a mere warning, and that no one should have faith in him being pragmatic or rational now from the way he is.

His inner circle can turn on him if he loses more of their money or continues to be an epic military joke.

[Draco-Onis]

Tell me you don't know what "in context" means without telling me you don't know what "in context" means.

Tell me you want to contradict me for the sake of it without telling me, you are just niffed I used your own words against you now you are spinning your wheels. We can agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[PhaelixWW]

Tell me you want to contradict me for the sake of it without telling me, you are just niffed I used your own words against you now you are spinning your wheels. We can agree to disagree and leave it at that.

But... you didn't use my words against me. You clearly deleted the important <ahem> context from my statement and attempted to pass it off as a statement with entirely different meaning.

So, basically, you're either gaslighting or just confused. Your pick.

[Draco-Onis]

SNIP.

Feel free to have the last word, I know you have to so go ahead.

[YUPPIE]

His inner circle can turn on him.

he literally said today he would execute all "traitors" which implies they tried and failed

[DarkTZeratul]

Feel free to elaborate on nuance and context that I am missing because there's no reason for other countries watching this not to be frightened.

Other countries aren't blatantly invading their neighbors in transparent bids for conquest and committing war crimes while doing so, so yeah, I'd say there's a huge fucking reason for other countries not to be worried because of THAT context that you are somehow completely ignoring.

[Draco-Onis]

Other countries aren't blatantly invading their neighbors in transparent bids for conquest and committing war crimes while doing so, so yeah, I'd say there's a huge fucking reason for other countries not to be worried because of THAT context that you are somehow completely ignoring.

I suggest you educate yourself of news around the world because that statement is rather ignorant.

[DarkTZeratul]

I suggest you educated yourself of news around the world because that statement is rather ignorant.

Then why don't you elaborate? Specifically, mind, not just the vague "it's not the same because I say so" that you've been spewing out.

[dextersmith]

he literally said today he would execute all "traitors" which implies they tried and failed

I saw that today. Those traitors are oligarchs and people in power, not your average peasant. He just put powerful people on guard and they'll have a kill or be killed mindset. Maybe Putin will start fasting for fear of a poisoned doughnut delivered by a covid patient armed with a weapon. He won't be using long tables for meetings anymore, he'll be teleconferencing from a secret bunker.

[Gaidax]

he literally said today he would execute all "traitors" which implies they tried and failed

He is just one guy that can die just like all the rest.

I am tired of telling this here, but Russia and the system are bigger than Putin. If he becomes unpopular at home, he will get bumped off by the same people that put him there in the first place, because they are not going to be suiciding over a 70 years old dumbfuck who overplayed his hand and made a fool out of Russia.

He will either get "retired" like Yeltzin, overthrown like Gorbachev or Khrushchev or simply die in a pool of his own feces like Stalin.

His traitors speech is made because his back is starting to be pushed to the wall, he knows people know - all these dead soldiers and their comrades returning and the news are spreading fast of what really is going on. He can't stop this, so he tries to use intimidation and fear instead, that won't work for long for him.

He's at the end of his path and he won't be sitting behind these giant desks in a year or two anymore.