Russian invasion of Ukraine

[PhaelixWW]

The last 30 years were for nothing.

For Russia? Quite possibly.

For Ukraine? Less likely.

For the rest of the world? Definitely not.

[XDurionX]

is it considered immoral or inhumane to advocate for Putin's death? Not even here in particular, but social media is banning chanting of it.

And of course, Lindsey Graham is still getting shit on for it

People rave daily about his atrocities and war crimes, but when you say "he should die" you're treated as a bad person.

Wishing death on people, you're no better than him. It's rightfully banned, and this is not even morally grey. You could wish for him to be removed from power, or even put into jail, but like the death row, wishing death on people and asking for them to be killed is barbaric.

[MCMLXXXII]

He must be using some kind of trick

It's obviously a Jedi mind trick.

[Slant]

Oh, btw, Edge, I am going to rage if this get's posted as "Russian missile"

Nobody really cares if another Putinista shill throws a tantrum. You're a lost cause.

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It feels like now people are gradually making no distinctions with "russians" and "Putin." AKA, common people vs one man.

so tell me: do you people think all Russians are evil or undeserving of pity?

Yes. All my sympathy is being used up for Ukrainians right now. Like the women and children I met in a train from Berlin yesterday. Ask me again when Russia stops being a dick nation and fucks off out of Ukraine. Until then, you really need to stop these shitposts.

[Elenos]

For the rest of the world? Definitely not.

We are now going to live in a world of great power competition, closed borders, information limitations and outright hostilities between the major powers.

ALL of which could have been avoided. Make no mistake here: The entire world will suffer enormously over this, and I don't mean gas bills.

[PhaelixWW]

We are now going to live in a world of great power competition, closed borders, information limitations and outright hostilities between the major powers.

ALL of which could have been avoided. Make no mistake here: The entire world will suffer enormously over this, and I don't mean gas bills.

If you think that's going to be the worldwide reality for the next 30 years, then I don't know what to tell you other than "nuh-uh".

Also, reducing the world's dependence on fossil fuels is a silver lining, if anything. This is not even remotely the way anyone really wanted to go about it, and it's not like it's going to change overnight, but this can only make people more open to the idea going forward.

Gas is also one of those commodities where the vast, vast majority of the profits go to the government (or the people in the upper echelons of the government, at least). That wealth rarely trickles down much to the ordinary citizens. In the long run, a world without a need for fossil fuels is one in which hopefully those countries which have used it as a source of income will be forced to invest in their country's infrastructure in a more serious way in order to increase their economic prosperity.

Yeah, probably not without more heartache before then, however. That's all tomorrow's pipe dream, anyway.

[Corvus]

Ukraine is claiming a 5th general, this one the Lt Gen who was CO of the 8th Combined Arms Army.

[Specialka]

When that guy speaks, you say "yes sir" and you listen :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e1BndTE6Lg

[Slant]

We are now going to live in a world of great power competition, closed borders, information limitations and outright hostilities between the major powers.

ALL of which could have been avoided. Make no mistake here: The entire world will suffer enormously over this, and I don't mean gas bills.

Uh, the world is more than just Russia.

Russia has managed to undo all the damage Trump inflicted. The West is closer than ever, the EU is stronger than ever. When Ukraine joins (When! Not if!) that'll more than compensate for the silly Brexit escapade that we're already not concerned about anymore. It's a complete non-issue at this point. Our economy in the EU has battled crisis after crisis since 2008, and yet somehow it's still churning out those numbers and providing wealth and security in Europe. You can't do much more than harden the EU economy and make sure it's future proof. Thanks for bugtesting it for us, Putin!

Meanwhile, people in the EU and the US are beginning to learn the process of critical reading/thinking. Borders remain open to all countries that aren't dick states. Russia is the only country being isolated right now. There is no "hostility between major powers" because Russia is not a major power. They have shattered the illusion that they matter. It's completely debunked.

On the other hand, what Putin achieved is giving the US and the EU the much needed opportunity to show China that "sanctions" aren't such a blunt weapon after all. I dare say people will listen a bit more closely now when the word sanction is mentioned.

All in all, I think you're wrong on all points.

[Pannonian]

When that guy speaks, you say "yes sir" and you listen :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e1BndTE6Lg

Why should anyone? Why should i listen to an adulterous junkie?

Nobody really cares if another Putinista shill throws a tantrum. You're a lost cause.

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Yes. All my sympathy is being used up for Ukrainians right now. Like the women and children I met in a train from Berlin yesterday. Ask me again when Russia stops being a dick nation and fucks off out of Ukraine. Until then, you really need to stop these shitposts.

This tbh. I spent a few nights as a volunteer at the main railway station where a lot of ukrainien refugees arrive - i speak a few words ukrainian and russian as i lived a few months in Odessa.

Seeing families running from the war, observing mothers struggling to tell their children that their fathers wont come ... my sympathy for russians is used up.

[Specialka]

Why should anyone? Why should i listen to an adulterous junkie?



This tbh. I spent a few nights as a volunteer at the main railway station where a lot of ukrainien refugees arrive - i speak a few words ukrainian and russian as i lived a few months in Odessa.

Seeing families running from the war, observing mothers struggling to tell their children that their fathers wont come ... my sympathy for russians is used up.

Because that is his private life and that should not stop you from listening what he has to say ? Or are you too childish for that ?

[Azadina]

On the other hand, what Putin achieved is giving the US and the EU the much needed opportunity to show China that "sanctions" aren't such a blunt weapon after all. I dare say people will listen a bit more closely now when the word sanction is mentioned.

All in all, I think you're wrong on all points.

Exactly. Places like China and Russia have insurmountable amounts of poor people, that the rich elite can use as cannon fodder in conventional wars, and will given the chance. Sanctions? Sanctions don't care about the fodder. It goes right through to those elites themselves, immediately gnawing at their bank accounts; where it hurts them the most personally. Should be a wakeup call to them, watching this unfold.

[Pann]

It appears that yesterday's little concert might not be all that it seems - https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1505027822569631745

[Jessicka]

Exactly. Places like China and Russia have insurmountable amounts of poor people, that the rich elite can use as cannon fodder in conventional wars, and will given the chance. Sanctions? Sanctions don't care about the fodder. It goes right through to those elites themselves, immediately gnawing at their bank accounts; where it hurts them the most personally. Should be a wakeup call to them, watching this unfold.

Genuine question, when was the last time China invaded anyone?

[Corvus]

Genuine question, when was the last time China invaded anyone?

Vietnam in 79. It was in response to Vietnam taking out the Khmer Rouge who were China's clients. Border clashes continued until 91.

[Jessicka]

Vietnam in 79. It was in response to Vietnam taking out the Khmer Rouge who were China's clients. Border clashes continued until 91.

A while then. Aside from their own civil wars, and fights with Japan, I just had an impression they were just just culturally not that fighty, having not had a great time of it historically.

I mean, I know they have a massive army and nukes and so on, but never seem in a genuine hurry to use it. They’re just to insular.

[DarkAmbient]

Why should anyone? Why should i listen to an adulterous junkie?

'Adulterous', lol. Are you posting from the 17th century? His message to the Russian people is inspiring.

[PhaelixWW]

It appears that yesterday's little concert might not be all that it seems - https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1505027822569631745

I don't see the footage in the recent speech.




In this older speech, though, they literally use the exact same 3-second clip of those two girls at 0:47 and 1:09, which is still a bit shady.




This is probably just a website using the wrong image on their current article.

[Gaidax]

It's all just a bunch of nitpicking.

Were there the stated amount of people at the stadium bottom line? Yes. Were there many coerced to come or got candies out of it? Yes. Were there many who came because nationalist and patriotic fervor? Yes. Was Putin there? Yes.

Can move on.

[Odinfrost]

Why should anyone? Why should i listen to an adulterous junkie?

I find the fact that he just posted a link to youtube instead of embedding the video extremely sus. Who is behind that link?