Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Mihalik]

How exactly do you think that would go down, huh?

Well, the US could have just nuked a couple of the large urban centers in Russia and then keep moving east. Unlikely the US could have taken and controlled the USSR, but it could have pushed the Russians out of Europe. The numbers were there, especially with the liberated territories.

Tho yeah, there was absolutely no mood for more war.

How would you expect the US to win a war in Russia after losing so many troops fighting Hitler?

US casualties were almost insignificant compared to what the Russians have lost for example. The US lost 291 thousand troops killed in the whole of WW2 including Europe and the Pacific. There were medium sized battles on the Eastern front where the Russians have lost more people in a single battle.

About 27 million Soviet citizens died, of that about 11.5 million soldiers. The US had a population of 135 million in 1945...it could have absorbed significantly higher losses if it wanted to.

Fact is that while we tend to have a bit of a biased perception in the US when it comes to the scale of our combat contributions, we tend to think we single handedly beat the Nazis and the Japanese when in reality our combat contributions where strategically meaningful but we were a sideshow on both fronts really, and the Soviets and the Chinese respectively did almost all the actual fighting, killing and dying.

Our biggest contribution was arming and bankrolling the allies really, the fighting...well kinda of a sideshow.

[PhaelixWW]

God, you are so naive.

They see only hyperbole.

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Well, the US could have just nuked a couple of the large urban centers in Russia and then keep moving east. Unlikely the US could have taken and controlled the USSR, but it could have pushed the Russians out of Europe.

What reaction do you think the world would have had if the US had immediately turned on the alliance with the Soviets and dropped more nukes? And where would we have stopped at that point?

That future would have looked pretty damn grim for the US.

[Mihalik]

What reaction do you think the world would have had if the US had immediately turned on the alliance with the Soviets and dropped more nukes? And where would we have stopped at that point?

That future would have looked pretty damn grim for the US.

It would have been a hard hard sell, but more in the US/UK/Canada than in Europe itself. France...a coin toss. And the rest of the world as in Latin America, they would have done the same they have done with the rest of the war. Sit it out. I remind you at that time, most of the world was just a whole bunch of colonial dominions without much of a say in international affairs.

The Chinese nationalists would have likely been bolstered by it, and unlikely they would have minded as without Soviet support they could actually put down the Communists.

It's just the western allies themselves domestically were done fighting.

[Deus Mortis]

Funny to see all the claims about maneuverable hypersonics used being fake or that they are bad, because reasons. Skroe is the local god, I guess. USA is forcing them at the moment for a reason (three failed tests so far, Russia IS ahead, remember, all about that asymmetric response, but there is little reason to doubt that they will catch up, too much money and R&D potential).

Uhh the USA has done a successful test. Am I missing something?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-...on-2021-09-27/

[MCMLXXXII]

he actually already did for those visits

Where's the proof of this claim. And no, reddit isn't a credible source

[Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang]

It would have been a hard hard sell, but more in the US/UK/Canada than in Europe itself. France...a coin toss. And the rest of the world as in Latin America, they would have done the same they have done with the rest of the war. Sit it out. I remind you at that time, most of the world was just a whole bunch of colonial dominions without much of a say in international affairs.

The Chinese nationalists would have likely been bolstered by it, and unlikely they would have minded as without Soviet support they could actually put down the Communists.

It's just the western allies themselves domestically were done fighting.

It would have wrecked further several West European countries like France or Italy, as a sizeable portion of their electorate and partisans were Communists.

[Mihalik]

Uhh the USA has done a successful test. Am I missing something?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-...on-2021-09-27/

Russia stronk. Only Russia can rocket! Amerikansky cannot rocket. Russian engineering is best engineering.

Truth be told, the Russians are probably ahead on this, but I frankly doubt they can make the missiles on any meaningful scale.

It's pretty much the same story with every single piece of higher end Russian gear. They can maybe make a few dozen then they just can't keep up with the costs and end up falling back on their Soviet era stockpiles of whatever.

[Elenos]

It's pretty much the same story with every single piece of higher end Russian gear. They can maybe make a few dozen then they just can't keep up with the costs and end up falling back on their Soviet era stockpiles of whatever.

Oh it's different then that.

The Russian military is deeply corrupt where a lot of members of the military of any high officer rank are involved in stealing as much as they can ( it's an issue with Eastern European militaries in general ). So Russia's problem isn't so much that they can't afford the fancy equipment, they could, but so much money is being stolen that they end up without enough for proper equipment.

Really Putin should have taken care of this problem, in many ways he was in a prime position to do so over his 22 year old rule...but he choose not to engage in the deep reforms needed to combat corruption.

Like why is Russia buying upgraded T-72s instead of building a lot more T-90s and T-80s? Both of which are superior tanks. Well because people can, and do, steal parts from those T-72s as they have for years.

Then those same officers, deeply, involved in the theft, go tell Putin they can take Ukraine easily...and then it goes bust, because of course you can: No VDV brigade sized force ( really a few battalions in reality ) could ever have a chance in hell of seizing Kiev but that's what they tried in the first few days.

But this will likely change in the near future since we've already started to see the beginning of a purge.

Really though Russia's history is always filled with such examples: They screw up against a military opponent because of incompetence, then their leaders put their boot down, reform and improve until another big war happens where they screw up again initially.

It happened against the Mongols, The Swedes, Napoleon and Hitler. The degree of initial incompetence in all those conflicts was staggering, but they learned, improved and won those conflicts. Hell they had major shortcomings in both Chechnya and Georgia, but were in a significantly better shape in 2014 in Ukraine and then Syria.

Personally I think Putin, for all his invocations of Russian history, should go pick up a history book.

[Crispin]

were they, though? It's not a competition or downplaying here, but look at what history remembers Stalin as and how Putin is now. They seem equal to me.

EDIT: As I've said before, I dunno why America just didn't turn on Stalin after dealing with Tojo and Hitler

Are you serious? What call of duty world do you live in.

[XDurionX]

I see we all went from foreign policy advisors to rocket scientists and tank engineers real quick. I wonder what you guys can't do.

[Ihavewaffles]

Before the war zelensky jailed largest opposition figure, 3 opposition media sources, now with martial law he got ridd of all parties, he's now officially a dictator, how will people spin this one?

[Pann]

Before the war zelensky jailed largest opposition figure, 3 opposition media sources, now with martial law he got ridd of all parties, he's now officially a dictator, how will people spin this one?

Even if this was true how does any of it justify Russia murdering innocent civilians?

[Corvus]

Before the war zelensky jailed largest opposition figure, 3 opposition media sources, now with martial law he got ridd of all parties, he's now officially a dictator, how will people spin this one?

No he didn't. The only ones banned were the pro-Russian ones. You know, the ones supporting the enemy. Kind of like in WW2 pro-Nazi parties were banned.

[Ihavewaffles]

No he didn't. The only ones banned were the pro-Russian ones. You know, the ones supporting the enemy. Kind of like in WW2 pro-Nazi parties were banned.

Banning aĺl opposition n only have those who support him is the complete opposite of what a democracy is.

When the maidan coup happened, the democratically elected president, government n parliament were thrown out along with the voters votes, donbass n crimea came as a direct result of that.

Now there is no democracy n representation n resention will cause a similar effect, which will only lead to kharkiv, odessa n others throwing in the towel n decide its impossible to stay n leave just like crimea n donbass.

https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/world/...243-2022-03-20

Do u npt understand cause n effect? Seems u go by wishful thinking??

Zelensky might as well be a Russian puppet of their nationalist as he is giving them all the justifications they could ever ask for...

these oblasts will prob decide to leave n others may decide to also, it's officially a failed state now...


Before the war zelensky jailed opposition n banned media
https://amp.dw.com/en/ukraine-zelens...ons/a-56438505

[Corvus]

There are still opposition parties around. There is still a democracy. If a party is backing the genocidal Nazi dictatorship invading them then they should be banned.

And what kind of insanity could even think that the people being murdered in their thousands, their buildings being levelled and fighting tooth and nail to resist are suddenly going to switch sides.

[Yunru]

Banning aĺl opposition n only have those who support him is the complete opposite of what a democracy is.

When the maidan coup happened, the democratically elected president, government n parliament were thrown out along with the voters votes, donbass n crimea came as a direct result of that.

Now there is no democracy n representation n resention will cause a similar effect, which will only lead to kharkiv, odessa n others throwing in the towel n decide its impossible to stay n leave just like crimea n donbass.

https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/world/...243-2022-03-20

Do u npt understand cause n effect? Seems u go by wishful thinking??

Zelensky might as well be a Russian puppet of their nationalist as he is giving them all the justifications they could ever ask for...

Know the history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro_Poroshenko

How is 73.23% vote a russan puppet is beyong me.
The reason for a purge was to remove any possible russan puppet political candidates that would work with russa and sabotage the country. You just cant have in-fight while at war and you need everyone at same side.

If Putin waited for a election to happen and attack at that time instead, he may won the war as people would be distracted to much.

[PhaelixWW]

Banning aĺl opposition n only have those who support him is the complete opposite of what a democracy is.

these oblasts will prob decide to leave n others may decide to also, it's officially a failed state now...

Interesting that you used an image from the 2010 election. Maybe we should check the one from 2019?




Yeah, oddly enough, Zelensky's win percentage was highest the further east you get. Almost as if those areas don't want to be part of Russia.

And his main opposition in 2019? Poroshenko? Yeah, he's also still in Ukraine, fighting against the Russian invasion.

Man, your bad takes can be REALLY bad sometimes.

[postman1782]

Banning aĺl opposition n only have those who support him is the complete opposite of what a democracy is.

When the maidan coup happened, the democratically elected president, government n parliament were thrown out along with the voters votes, donbass n crimea came as a direct result of that.

Now there is no democracy n representation n resention will cause a similar effect, which will only lead to kharkiv, odessa n others throwing in the towel n decide its impossible to stay n leave just like crimea n donbass.

https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/world/...243-2022-03-20

Do u npt understand cause n effect? Seems u go by wishful thinking??

Zelensky might as well be a Russian puppet of their nationalist as he is giving them all the justifications they could ever ask for...

these oblasts will prob decide to leave n others may decide to also, it's officially a failed state now...


Before the war zelensky jailed opposition n banned media
https://amp.dw.com/en/ukraine-zelens...ons/a-56438505

Sounds like a good idea. Anyone pro-Russia is delusional, and this war just proves it.

[Forogil]

Before the war zelensky jailed opposition n banned media
https://amp.dw.com/en/ukraine-zelens...ons/a-56438505

You misspelled 'After' as 'Before'; and haven't proven that he actually jailed opposition.

The Russian war in Ukraine started in 2014 when Russia invaded Crimea, and later Donbass etc.
Zelensky wasn't president until 2019.

[MCMLXXXII]

You misspelled 'After' as 'Before'; and haven't proven that he actually jailed opposition.

The Russian war in Ukraine started in 2014 when Russia invaded Crimea, and later Donbass etc.
Zelensky wasn't president until 2019.

He also misspelled Putin as Zelensky.
Russia is a prime example of banning opposition.
How's Navalny doing?