Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Gaidax]

17 African countries have abstained from voting on Russia's invasion in the UN GA; Eitrea even supported it.

I think it is high time that the US and the EU reevaluate their aid programmes to these African countries too. I see absolutely no reason to continue aiding countries whose policies fail to condemn aggression of this scale.

The non-alligned movement and their position therein can't be an excuse not to cut aid.

I don't think it's in US interest to push Africa further towards China. People are really sleeping on it, but next 50 years it's going to be a big geopolitical battleground and important one too.

[ati87]

zelenksy is not a good or particularly nice person, and I hate how people are advocating him as an icon of peace and goodwill already.

It's just, you know, Putin is the devil or Hitler 2. So "not so good guy", not even "evil", compared to that will sway most people in a time of crisis and have them forget their flaws.

That is all.

Your point being? What does this have to do anything with Russia starting a war?

[Ihavewaffles]

Kinda like what happens in Belarus? Kremlin approved dictator?

Nobody here supports that dictator, not a single poster has. All we said we don't want replacement to be some western puppet to turn belarus into some 3rd world country whose resoutces n wealth are stolen by greedy western companies.

Dictatorship or theft?

Someone replied in belarus pres election thread to me, "lukashenko is a thief"

I replied with lukashenko belarus resources are in belarus hands, would u prefer them to be in western companies hands foreigners?
He said yes...forgot who the poster was, but just lol saying belarus resources should be outside their hands is good for them...

Fyi kremlin doesn't like lukashenko n how he has been slowed down russian belarus union efforts for years...


Speaking of thieves, all those russian oligarch thieves from Russia that ran away to London in the 90s got sanctuary with the wealth they stole from Russian people. For years I said they should have been arrested.
Now UK with their anti Russian sanctions steal the money Abramovich stole from Russians.
Hell, u even steal from non Oligarchs, simple piracy really.

But with USA begging Maduro's Venezuella for oil, does this mean UK will stop stealing Venezuela's gold reserves? Or is stealing a permanent way of diplomacy now? If ur not pro-western we steal ur shit?

[MCMLXXXII]

Also west, why is china getting so much influence in africa, totally not our own faults!!

Go ahead. Make my day.

Simple answer. That's China's New Silk Road policy. Better known as modern colonialism. Something the majority of world stopped doing somewhere in the previous century.

[Adam Jensen]

Zelensky is basically Ukraine's Slobodan Milosevich.

Huh, didn't expect Vladimir Putin to have an MMO Champ account.

[Makabreska]

Huh, didn't expect Vladimir Putin to have an MMO Champ account.

He got into WoW lately. Met his blood elf paladin RussianBlitzkrieg69 in Oribos yesterday.

[Poopymonster]

if russia was always this "evil empire", why did we even side with them in WW2?

Nazi Germany was lower on the Evil-O-Meter. Plus it forced Hitler into a 2 front war.

[XDurionX]

Zelensky is basically Ukraine's Slobodan Milosevich.

How can so few words be so wrong? That must be a new record.

[Poopymonster]

Russia's going to need a few more re-education camps, I guess.

What's missing from the G_lag?

U!

[Magnagarde]

I don't think it's in US interest to push Africa further towards China. People are really sleeping on it, but next 50 years it's going to be a big geopolitical battleground and important one too.

Half the African economies are tied to the French banking system. While China would surely pursue to fill a vacuum, a resolute military deterrent would make them think twice.

The invasion on Ukraine should've forced Europe's eyes wide open and a military perspective on things must be taken up once again. If African countries pursue Chinese influence and military presence, then it should be cut in its roots through the use of more than just talk and economy.

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Also west, why is china getting so much influence in africa, totally not our own faults!!

Go ahead. Make my day.

I'm sure your day will be made by Chinese investments into Africa.

[Slant]

Yes yes, dumb russkies. Tell me, was the missile that killed at least a company worth of troops in Mykolaiv also "old, rusted, from 80ties"?
Please, go join Slant in talking about equipment you can't recognize.

We recognise the gear. That's why we're laughing about it.

[Combatbutler]

If African countries pursue Chinese influence and military presence, then it should be cut in its roots through the use of more than just talk and economy.

Africans are free to choose whatever geopolitical sphere they want, the US and especially Europe has absolutely zero rights on any metric to influence their decisions.

[Ihavewaffles]

Half the African economies are tied to the French banking system. While China would surely pursue to fill a vacuum, a resolute military deterrent would make them think twice.

The invasion on Ukraine should've forced Europe's eyes wide open and a military perspective on things must be taken up once again. If African countries pursue Chinese influence and military presence, then it should be cut in its roots through the use of more than just talk and economy.

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I'm sure your day will be made by Chinese investments into Africa.

Wait, what? After middle eastern adventures, u want to start wars n send troops to africa? Tell me I missunderstood ur post..

[Magnagarde]

Africans are free to choose whatever geopolitical sphere they want, the US and especially Europe has absolutely zero rights on any metric to influence their decisions.

That fairytale utopian worldview is slowly going to evaporate due to the tectonic impact of what's happening in Ukraine.

While I wholeheartedly wish to see the European standard of living and rights be expanded upon the entire world, it is simply impossible to see such a thing when some global superpowers are aggressively expanding their influence, parasitising on the weaknesses of their targets.

What I said was in no way meant to propose a military invasion of African countries; it would be an extremely hypocritical take to propose that as a result of Russia invading Ukraine. My proposal was hinting at military deterrents to countries who seize upon corruption and poverty in Africa in order to establish themselves on the continent. This can range from the modernization of African infrastructure and various projects, all the way to directly arming African countries and forming long-lasting alliances and cooperation that would see the strenghtening of a wide array of sectors.

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Wait, what? After middle eastern adventures, u want to start wars n send troops to africa? Tell me I missunderstood ur post..

If China and Russia want to play ball, then ball is what should be played.

You didn't misunderstand anything because European troops are still very much active in Africa, especially in West Africa.

[Slant]

Because it doesn't fucking matter whether 80% of their nukes are fucking duds or not. 1 nuke is 1 nuke too many. Considering what will be left of the Russian economy soon, we have something to loose.

Again, at the end of this, the Russians will be literally directly trading oil and gas for food and medicine.

If Russia launches one nuke, I dare say they won't trade anything.

[Makabreska]

Africans are free to choose whatever geopolitical sphere they want, the US and especially Europe has absolutely zero rights on any metric to influence their decisions.

I mean, sure. If they want to one day realize they lost control of their harbors to China due to inability to pay the loans.

[Slant]

Zelenksy is currently trying to goad Biden into visiting him where he is, which is pretty despicable.

That said, if Biden does visit (unlikely) would Putin try to kill him? He can claim "accident"

"Goad"? It's an invitation. You need to update your language.

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Killing the President of the United States would be an act of war and spark a war with NATO.

It wouldn't trigger Article 5. People, read up on the legal texts before you make these ridiculous claims.

[Gaidax]

Africans are free to choose whatever geopolitical sphere they want, the US and especially Europe has absolutely zero rights on any metric to influence their decisions.

Cute, but not how reality works.

Africans are not free to choose shit, because the continent is lorded by corruption and elites carving up their little fiefdoms, if not outright warlords turned politicians. This is how China is able to push all these cancerous loans with ridiculous terms and do whatever the fuck they want. They just grease the palms of the officials and get on with it. "Africans choosing" is not even on the books.

Here's one BBC piece I liked: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...sh-into-powder

Just one of the many many stories - I am sure it was "African people choice" there.

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As a side note, I happened to visit Addis-Ababa on flyover to China, took a (guarded) drive through city a few years back. The amount of Chinese projects all over the place - impressed me, it's as if China practically bought out half of the place.

But that's just anecdote, so whatever.

[YUPPIE]

If Russia launches one nuke, I dare say they won't trade anything.

i think if putin is repeatedly pushed back more and more to the brink, he will nuke Ukraine and then set his forced terms for the West: resume "business co-existence" or die. Scary thought. And from what we've seen of his brainwashing and cult of personality, he could convince the Russian citizens they nuked themselves.

[Magnagarde]

I mean, sure. If they want to one day realize they lost control of their harbors to China due to inability to pay the loans.

Indeed. They won't realize that because they have too many corrupt politicians that serve their own interest, having ties to various state military and paramilitary groups on the ground. While their corruption stems from a past of struggle, the European corruption stems from comfort and luxury. This, coupled with the lack of will to part with said luxury and comfort, has lead Europe into a place of complacency.